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Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Please keep your unvaccinated children away from mine, I don't like to have ANOTHER posting in my daycare saying "Kindergartengroup xyz is closed for a case of ...". This always happens at the worst of possible times, I have to find a day nanny in shortest while, and its *nearly* always the unvaccinated child in that group.
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Please keep your unvaccinated children away from mine, I don't like to have ANOTHER posting in my daycare saying "Kindergartengroup xyz is closed for a case of ...". This always happens at the worst of possible times, I have to find a day nanny in shortest while, and its *nearly* always the unvaccinated child in that group.
Yeah, sure, there ARE risks - but your kid WILL get the disease anyway it could have had in a very much alleviated form as a vaccination. And now they have to send all the other kids back to their parents just because ONE mother didn't have her child vaccinated, thank you so very much.
Originally posted by ExposingYou
....It's like me coming over to your house and making you eat ice cream all day, or I'll take your children away if you don't! haha
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by mainidh
Or are u one of those free thinking dissenters?
Shame on you!!
Free Thinking...now a Mental Illness
Is nonconformity and freethinking a mental illness? According to the newest addition of the DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), it certainly is. The manual identifies a new mental illness called "oppositional defiant disorder" or ODD. Defined as an "ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior," symptoms include questioning authority, negativity, defiance, argumentativeness, and being easily annoyed.
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I hear they have a cure for it
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Please keep your unvaccinated children away from mine, I don't like to have ANOTHER posting in my daycare saying "Kindergartengroup xyz is closed for a case of ...".
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by SurrealisticPillow
I'm old enough I lived through having the Whooping Cough (almost died at age 6 and was so sick for three weeks I still remember it), the Measles (had to be placed in a tub of cold water multiple times a day to bring my fever down), the Mumps (I was thirteen and had them drop on one side) and the Chicken Pox. Two of my neighbors died from Polio and I still remember standing in line at the school with my Mother when the first vaccine was available.
People don't remember now, because you have never seen it.
Although the committee is optimistic that more can and will be known about vaccine safety in the future, the limitations of the currently available peer-reviewed data meant that , more often not, we did not have sufficient scientific information to conclude whether a particular vaccine caused a specific rare adverse event.
Alleged adverse effects that appear to be immune mediated, as many of them are, are more challenging, in part because the biology is not completely understood. One potentially useful line of inquiry as science advances is to assess whether the vaccine recipient who suffers harm had a preexisting susceptibility to that particular adverse event as such studies may provide insight into the mechanisms by which such events occur.
Conclusion: Publication in prestigious journals is associated with partial or total industry funding, and this association is not explained by study quality or size.."
Originally posted by Blaine91555
You won't find any long term clinical studies showing that the vaccines are a danger except on very rare occasions.
Influenza and influenza-like illness are not the same thing
We start with what we see sometimes several times a year: influenza-like illness (“the flu”). The WHO defines influenza-like illness as “an acute respiratory infection with sudden onset characterised by fever >38°C and at least one of the following: headache, malaise, rigors and sweating, asthenia and at least one respiratory symptom such as rhinitis and pharyingitis”. We are all familiar with this illness but what most people are not told is that the influenza viruses only account for a minority (7-15%) of these episodes. Instead, the world seems to believe that all flu is influenza and ignores the role of some 200 other agents. This is possible because physicians and patients cannot tell influenza apart from (for example) “flu” episodes caused by rhinovirus 16 or metapneumovirus (other common agents of flu), without special tests. The signs and symptoms look and feel all the same.
The starting point [of confusion] is that few (if any) national and international surveillance systems make the distinction between influenza and influenza-like illness either because they do not believe the question is important, because the “system“ is not geared up for it or for other still unclear reasons.
Another consequence is the idea that influenza-li[k]e illness (“flu”) and its ravages can be prevented or minimised with influenza vaccines. Cochrane reviews show that vaccines could only affect at the most (i. e. if they had 100% efficacy) some 7-15% of the annual flu burden, since this is the proportion of people with the flu who truly have influenza.
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Effectively what we are saying is we aim to control a major health problem, influenza-like illness (“the flu”), with a series of preventive interventions which can in the best case scenario prevent only 15% of that problem, while making people believe we can deal with the lot.
Most understood the question, but still could not provide an answer because their surveillance systems were not focused on this question. There is an emphasis on the influenza agent only (any biological specimen which is not positive for influenza is thrown away) and the specimens reported thus represent an unreliable and biased estimate of the truth. So we have no idea how much ILI/flu there is and as consequence we cannot say for certain how much influenza is circulating as influenza is an unknown proportion of an unknown whole (influenza-like illness/flu).
Originally posted by freedomSlave
Now what a stupid comment WTF are you so worried about if your kids are vaccinated . Or are you just upset because you had to run around to find a sitter. How about keep your kids away from mine Obviously the parents were to busy with maintaining their lifestyle instead of raising their kids properly and dumping their kid off at the first daycare.
Originally posted by SeenMyShare
If your child is vaccinated then what is the issue? Don't trust that jab to be effective? Then why did you give it?
If the vaccinations work the way they are supposed to and you have vaccinated your children, then you have nothing to fear from children who have not been vaccinated. You can't have it both ways. Either the vaccines work at protecting a body from disease, or they don't. If vaccines cannot protect your children from children who were not vaccinated, then what makes you think the vaccines work?
Originally posted by djmarcone
Hold on now, it seems to me there are some flawed arguments here.
I would be led to assume the "pro-vaccine" people truly believe the vaccines are effective. If the "anti-vaccine" crowd doesn't vaccinate their kids and those kids create "outbreaks" of these old diseases, wouldn't only the non-vaccinated people die or get sick? Why then would the pro-vaccine people care? The anti-vaccine people only got what they deserved, right?
Originally posted by SeenMyShare
Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Please keep your unvaccinated children away from mine, I don't like to have ANOTHER posting in my daycare saying "Kindergartengroup xyz is closed for a case of ...".
If your child is vaccinated then what is the issue? Don't trust that jab to be effective? Then why did you give it?