Fluoride Linked to #1 Cause of Death in New Research

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
Yes, good point. Fluoride is an iodine antagonist.

When Iodine is low, the fluoride damages the thyroid process and connects to problems like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Also, the AlFx compounds interfere with TSH---thyroid stimulation hormone.

Indeed. If I remember correctly, fluorine interferes with thyroid function by attaching itself to iodine receptors on the thyroid gland and just sits there. Over time, this will limit the amount of iodine the thyroid can use and therefore limits the amount of thyroid hormone production causing an underactive thyroid condition. Sometimes, the thyroid will increase in size (goiter) to increase it's surface area trying to get ahold of more iodine. If there is more fluorine in your system than iodine, the fluorine will win and vise versa as they are competing for the same receptors. Iodine supplements are good, but you have to be careful with iodine supplements and I'd encourage anyone thinking about using it to do their research beforehand. Iodine will not only remove fluoride, but will also remove bromine, chlorine, mercury, lead and other heavy metal toxins. Taking too much, especially initially will cause your body to be flooded by these toxins all at once which will lead to adverse effects. It'll still get rid of it all, but it will be unpleasant at first.

I hate not having a say about what goes into my body. Is wanting a choice in the matter such a bad thing? I know it's impossible to completely avoid fluoride, but I don't want to be bludgeoned over the head with unnecessary excess in the form of toxic waste either when I'm taking a shower and so on.

Originally posted by Kratos1220

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
Yes, good point. Fluoride is an iodine antagonist.

When Iodine is low, the fluoride damages the thyroid process and connects to problems like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Also, the AlFx compounds interfere with TSH---thyroid stimulation hormone.

Indeed. If I remember correctly, fluorine interferes with thyroid function by attaching itself to iodine receptors on the thyroid gland and just sits there. Over time, this will limit the amount of iodine the thyroid can use and therefore limits the amount of thyroid hormone production causing an underactive thyroid condition. Sometimes, the thyroid will increase in size (goiter) to increase it's surface area trying to get ahold of more iodine. If there is more fluorine in your system than iodine, the fluorine will win and vise versa as they are competing for the same receptors. Iodine supplements are good, but you have to be careful with iodine supplements and I'd encourage anyone thinking about using it to do their research beforehand. Iodine will not only remove fluoride, but will also remove bromine, chlorine, mercury, lead and other heavy metal toxins. Taking too much, especially initially will cause your body to be flooded by these toxins all at once which will lead to adverse effects. It'll still get rid of it all, but it will be unpleasant at first.

I hate not having a say about what goes into my body. Is wanting a choice in the matter such a bad thing? I know it's impossible to completely avoid fluoride, but I don't want to be bludgeoned over the head with unnecessary excess in the form of toxic waste either when I'm taking a shower and so on.

edit on 22-1-2012 by Kratos1220 because: (no reason given)

Sounds right. Fluoide was used to kill the thyroid by some medicine practices. Fluoride and underactive thyroid is tied to the fibrotic or fibrosis diseases these days.

Refusing the Ingestion of a known poison should be a God Given Right, except in a Hitlerian State, which is what we have today in the US. And loss of that right of refusal comes with a massive health holocaust to the young, the old, those of renal problems, and the list goes on into the millions negatively affected. One can understand the health risks once on learns about the many illness connected to the pre-skeletal fluorsis effects of fluoride that happen around 1 ppm concentrations and build over a lifetime to factors linked with aging, colligen repair loss, and so on. It is why one book is titled Fluoride: The Aging Factor

Good reminders on Iodine!!

One of the most interesting issues of fluoride is its associations with the factors connected with CJD, Mad Cow, Alzheimers, and even HIV/AIDS. The connection is that fluoride is an irritant that makes for oxidative stress which sets off oxidatice stress enzyme repair systems inside of cells that generate various protective enzymes, like SOD. One of the special indicator ones to become aware of is "manganese super oxide dimutase", mn-SOD, and how this appears in the illnesses above.

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www.chemeurope.com...

Oxidative stress in cases of chronic fluoride intoxication

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On the issue of HIV infection and transmission, it is highly tied to the availabity of manganese within the cell to block reverse transcriptase that allows the virus' DNA to multiply and infect various other cells. When cells are given free manganese it stops HIV infection in its tracks via blocking the reverse transcription enzyme of HIV. The oxidative stress cellular enzyme production process affects the free manganese availabity within cells that stops HIV's enzyme reverse transcription.


One of the known co-factors for HIV transmission is coc aine use and what one finds there is coc aine use sets off a huge mn-SOD response by the cells. mn-SOD is an old enzyme that is made in the mitochondria region of the cells and connected to the bacterial orgin for cell mitochondria. When the coc aine response sets off the production of mn-SOD the availabity of manganese inside the cells is diverted to this use and doesn't block reverse transcription, so HIV proliferates. The oxidative stress of fluoride combined with coc aine use was a transmission factor for HIV infections in the US. The first HIV infection hot spots in the US were the larger cities with fluoride and fluoride pollition and also tied with issues of high rates of coc aine use.

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Acute coc aine (40 mg/kg) injection produced a significant, time-dependent increase in manganese-superoxide dismutase (Mn/SOD) activity and cellular thiobarbuturic acid reactive substances (TBARS), but activities of glutathione peroxidase and catalase were reduced significantly.

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www.hopkinsmedicine.org...

Johns Hopkins scientists have found that simply increasing manganese in cells can halt HIV's unusual ability to process its genetic information backwards, providing a new way to target the process's key driver, an enzyme called reverse transcriptase.

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Normally, charged magnesium ions outnumber those of manganese by the thousands inside cells. Having just three times more manganese than normal can cut the activity of HIV's reverse transcriptase in half, the scientists report, even though there's still much more magnesium.

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What one finds about the atmosphere needed for HIV to infect a body is that it has to be one where high levels of oxidative stress are present within the body and the activation of these oxidative repair enzymes is in full swing and either using the available managanese or that long term stress has deplected its cellular availabity. Fluoride in the diet first causes this oxidative stress in the gut, which is the area that HIV appears most prolific and most unreachable by the current HIV treatment methods.

Then, one must note that the issues of CJD and Mad Cow have been connected to fluoride ingestion issues, via bone meal and phosphate cattle feeds, and what one finds there is the plaque in the brains of these animals is very high in manganese apparently due to the inflamation process and mn-SOD. Similar issues apply in humans with Alzheimers and Dimentia.

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www.mendeley.com... y/

A neuronal model of Alzheimer's disease: an insight into the mechanisms of oxidative stress-mediated mitochondrial injury.

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Localization of manganese superoxide dismutase in the cerebral cortex and hippocampus of Alzheimer-type senile dementia.

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It would appear then that the issues of why the research community has problems with Peter Duesberg is that he is touching real close into the issues of the massive fluoride driven illness mechanisms associated with HIV transmission. Duesberg and other spotted that HIV did not transmit well in areas of South Africa where prostitutes encountered HIV infected persons with high regularity, which suggested an immunity to the HIV infections. Certainly the issues of oxidative stress and the availabity of manganese with in the cells is a prime factor for HIV transmission and that connection is associated with immunity from HIV infection.

Both fluoride and coc aine use increase the factors needed to promote HIV transmission and infection.

According to a chinese study, each mg of flouride detected in a childs urine was associated with an iq drop of 0.59 points. If people wake up to this one, they may wake up to the rest as well.

Originally posted by NeoVain
According to a chinese study, each mg of flouride detected in a childs urine was associated with an iq drop of 0.59 points. If people wake up to this one, they may wake up to the rest as well.

Very good, now lets toss in some high powered science to see the rest of the story of how fluoride damages IQ and begins the process linked with alzheimers and dimentia:

www.fluoridealert.org...

"Superoxide dismutase (SOD) activity and the malondialdehyde (MDA) content in the brain of the combined high fluoride and low iodine group were significantly higher during and at the end of the 90-day period than in the control group, but the SOD/MDA ratio in this high fluoride and low iodine group was consistently lower than in the control group. These results suggest that [oxidative] stress from high fluoride and low iodine is one of the causes of reduction in learning and memory in offspring rats."
SOURCE: Wang J, Ge Y, Ning H, Wang S. (2004). Effects of high fluoride and low iodine on biochemical indexes of the brain and learning-memory of offspring rats. Fluoride 37: 201-208.

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“These results suggest that fluoride enhances oxidative stress in the brain, thereby disturbing the antioxidant defense of rats. Increased oxidative stress could be one of the mediating factors in the pathogenesis of fluoride toxicity in the brain.”
SOURCE: Shivarajashankara YM , et al. (2002). Brain lipid peroxidation and antioxidant systems of young rats in chronic fluoride intoxication. Fluoride 35: 197-203.

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“Fluorides also increase the production of free radicals in the brain through several different biological pathways. These changes have a bearing on the possibility that fluorides act to increase the risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease.”
SOURCE: National Research Council. (2006). Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. p 186.

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,Looks like things are slowing down per this theme on fluoride. So, to step things up a little a more, consider a more general view of fluoridation. Most of the issues that I have tossed out are like putting a band-ade on a volcano and are individual methods to deal with fluoridation. Boron is an individual method, so is distilling and reverse osmosis.

In the issues of well water and public water systems, some just have the misfortunes of nature to have water high in fluoride, but to intentionally add this known poison to the water system via pure corruption of the science and the politics of those times is nothing but pure deceit and treachery and treason against the American Citizens.

What is needed is a National Level solution for the US to ban the bad practice, if not a global one, to help everyone understand the problems with fluorides and fluoridation. Fluoride is best known for causing irritation of the gut and the human body was never designed to have this going on day after day and year after year due to it being added to the public's water supplies. This irritation was oxidative stress on the cells and the cell response was to up the production of Super Oxide Dismutase and other repair enzymes and this depleted the already low beneficial trace metals in the food chain in the body.

It was this continual oxidative stress that did the dulling of the mind and the prime reason that the Allen Dulles gang with the CIA and the industrial oligarchs linked to the IG Farben NAZIs wanted to use this to take away American's Freedoms via degradation of the higher functions of the brain. They didn't know what this would cause in the long term back when they opted to take this sinister direction against the American Citizens, but today the view of the experiment is about like sending the USA to burn in the pits of Hell forever.

Today, the results of the experiment link to these enzymes like Mn-SOD being linked to a number of the brain problems from Mad Cow, CJD, to Alzheimers and Dimentia. And if one really does the combined effects studies it even is part of the AIDs epidemic. What fluoridation has produced in the American Society is a health holocaust that has killed many more than the NAZI work camps that used the same sinister trick to control their slave labor work force.

This all came from a bunch of US Conspirators breaking the US Presdents rules on the importation of ardent NAZIs into the US via Project Paperclip and other methods and the treason of Allen Dulles and his system of banking pals against all of America. What goes around comes around as the very same sinister methods used in NAZI work camps and Russian Gulags have taken America from within and threatens the health, longevity, and the higher mental functions required to maintain America's Freedom.

If the truth be known, this freedom issue even traced back to the theme of JFK when he went after the CIA and Allen Dulles over the issues of the Military Industrial Network seeking to take over the power of Government by operating from the shadows of corporate power and wealth. In the times of Eisenhower, his post war offices in Germany were at the IG Farben HQ building, so he and his generals were very chummy with this system and they liked the mega-corporation power of the IG Farben system. Eisenhower came back to the US to do a stint as President of Columbia University in NYC before becoming President. Here Eisenhower himself set up what would be the out of control Military Industrial Network that had welcomed NAZIs into the US's Corporation Revolution. Eisenhower installed in the JCS all the European threater commanders that agreed with the IG Farben methods, and Eisenhower appointed the worst IG Farben conspirator of all the Director of the CIA, Allen Dulles. It was this stage that set up the death for JFK, as he battled the wealth and power of this oligarchic system that sought to control the US in terms of everything corportate and even the higher function of the mind of its citizens. In Euroipe, the corporation power of the IG Farben system was reborn as the Bilderberg group and their version of the CIA as PERMINDEX. It would be this NAZI oriented system thinking that JFK would be facing in his final weeks of life. At risk for the traitors against America was that JFK had discovered how the powers of the Office of President were abused and used under Truman and Eisenhower and JFK decapitated the upper level of the CIA that was using these sinister methods on America's Citizens. JFK had found the Demon Seed of how to use fluoridation to control the American Mind and rob them of their rights for Freedom of higher mind and thought.

In so many ways JFK had realized what the Biblical stories tell of how Jesus cured a blind man to sight via telling the uninformated about the issues of well waters that were bad in the regions of basalt around Jerusalem and the benefical waters of Norther Isreal loaded with Boron that fixed all the debilitation illnesses linked with fluoride in those area's wells and springs. There is even a mysterious and unexplained quote that suggests JFK knew this effect and linked it with Columbia University. There is little doubt that JFK was after the CIA with Dulles fired and also had found out about their NAZI games to control the US with chemicals with the methods of Ft. Dietrick's NAZIs.

For consideration:

"The high office of the President has been used to foment
a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office,
I must inform the citizen of this plight."

--supposedly spoken at a speech at Columbia University on Nov. 12, 1963, 10 days before his assassination.

Whatever the source of this quotation, the message points to the elements most connected to killing JFK over the isseus of the NAZI mind control methods that corporate and banking greed sought to use to distroy American's Freedom.

So, not only is the fluoride problems connected to making a health disaster in the US but also to the elements of treason of foreign elements that sought to exploit America as a slave state for the Oligarchic Empire and Impearalism issues of the NWO games.

The follow on to this story has Rory Kennedy following some of the issues of AIDS and if she follows that issue well it runs full circle into the causations of HIV transmissions, the fluoridation experiment gone bad, and the Mil/Ind Network's NAZIs that killed both JFK and RFK:

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politicalassassinations.com...

Rory Kennedy says HBO, where she’s made films about AIDS and human rights issues for more than a decade, had long urged her to do a film about her family, but she resisted.

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Thank you OP for a highly informative thread and thank you Magnum Opus for your contributions.

Hopefully this information brought about a much-needed awareness and will encourage others to contribute their knowledge on this topic/thread.

I'd like to add this to your comments --- I was also informed by a doctor (26 years of medical practice) that fluoride weakens the immune system, which is why Aids and Cancer patients (who are tested for fluoride levels) have higher concentration of fluoride in their systems.

While fluoride may not actually be the direct cause of Aids or Cancer, this toxin does weaken the immune system so that the Aids virus or cancer cells can take hold and multiply. This sure makes me wonder if TPTB are making us sick so we become dependent on their so-called "cures". Something to think about.

MO - I also appreciate your comment/response to my post on the previous page. *Stars* to both. JANA

Originally posted by Jana12
Thank you OP for a highly informative thread and thank you Magnum Opus for your contributions.

Hopefully this information brought about a much-needed awareness and will encourage others to contribute their knowledge on this topic/thread.

I'd like to add this to your comments --- I was also informed by a doctor (26 years of medical practice) that fluoride weakens the immune system, which is why Aids and Cancer patients (who are tested for fluoride levels) have higher concentration of fluoride in their systems.

While fluoride may not actually be the direct cause of Aids or Cancer, this toxin does weaken the immune system so that the Aids virus or cancer cells can take hold and multiply. This sure makes me wonder if TPTB are making us sick so we become dependent on their so-called "cures". Something to think about.

MO - I also appreciate your comment/response to my post on the previous page. *Stars* to both. JANA

edit on 22-1-2012 by Jana12 because: typo

Pleased that you dropped in to consider the fluoridation issues.

Yes, the fluoride in the water and food do upset the immune system. Fluoride as NaF or CaF, once it gets down to the stomoch, turns into hydrogen fluoride form and goes from there to irritate the gut and set off problems with the peyer's patch lymphoid system.

Some Journal Articles that speak to this gut factor are here:

www.fluoridealert.org...


Peyer's patch example:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


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www.nap.edu...

Originally posted by Kratos1220

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
Yes, good point. Fluoride is an iodine antagonist.

When Iodine is low, the fluoride damages the thyroid process and connects to problems like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Also, the AlFx compounds interfere with TSH---thyroid stimulation hormone.

Indeed. If I remember correctly, fluorine interferes with thyroid function by attaching itself to iodine receptors on the thyroid gland and just sits there. Over time, this will limit the amount of iodine the thyroid can use and therefore limits the amount of thyroid hormone production causing an underactive thyroid condition. Sometimes, the thyroid will increase in size (goiter) to increase it's surface area trying to get ahold of more iodine. If there is more fluorine in your system than iodine, the fluorine will win and vise versa as they are competing for the same receptors. Iodine supplements are good, but you have to be careful with iodine supplements and I'd encourage anyone thinking about using it to do their research beforehand. Iodine will not only remove fluoride, but will also remove bromine, chlorine, mercury, lead and other heavy metal toxins. Taking too much, especially initially will cause your body to be flooded by these toxins all at once which will lead to adverse effects. It'll still get rid of it all, but it will be unpleasant at first.

I hate not having a say about what goes into my body. Is wanting a choice in the matter such a bad thing? I know it's impossible to completely avoid fluoride, but I don't want to be bludgeoned over the head with unnecessary excess in the form of toxic waste either when I'm taking a shower and so on.

edit on 22-1-2012 by Kratos1220 because: (no reason given)

Brilliant post. Starred, and it needs more stars. Most people don't understand the process you have so wonderfully summed up.

Iodine is the key, but keep in mind it can cause same negative effects when taken in the begin from the release of toxins as you've mentioned....

I have been working at a dental surgery for quite some time now. I've had many discussion about fluoride with the practicing dentists, who off course are avid supporters of fluoride -and i cannot blame them as they have spent so many years studying dentistry they only know what they are taught.

There is plenty of evidence for and against fluoride in water, but since in this day and age it seems like EVERYTHING is going to poison us, make a choice.

If you believe: tomatoes, fluoride, eggs etc etc have additives that you feel you do not want in your body: avoid.

I myself only drink distilled water. Brush my teeth with baking soda. And have a perfect carious free mouth.

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I think you miss the plot. It is not about avoiding things because they might poison you, it is about removing the artificially planted poison from something that you cannot avoid, water. This would be in everyones interest. People that fail to understand this may be those that are already too far gone into flouridation... so my advice to these people would be to first have alot of boron/borax/raisins/apples/nuts and then re-read this thread, maybe the message will be easier to absorb after deflouridation.

NeoVan,

I guess, since you are into raisins with Boron, that you may have connected wine with the same issues as having boron content as the raisins.

Most everyone has heard about the health values of a couple glasses of wine a day and the associated heart healthy, anti-cholesterol, and other values. One then must ask how much of the benefical effects from the boron content of grapes is involved in this beneficial to cardiovascular health effects.

Grapes love boron and in the age old methods of alchemy, one picked grapes and the other grains for making beer, which also contains substantial boron. Could it be that even the age old alchemists were actually seeing the health effects of boron plants?

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www.greenfacts.org...

Boron in Food

Beer: 1.8

Wine: 3.5

Honey: 7.2

Raisins: 25

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Everyone that is into the natural order effects of plants should enjoy the contemplation of this effect, as it links right back to the theme of fluoride in the vein walls causing problems.

Biblically, this links to the story of Jesus turning water into wine----or discovery of the health effects of wine being boron and using boron loaded water to accomplish the same health effects as drinking wine.


Another plant that loves boron is the Olive Tree and this is why they have so many Olive Tree farms in Israel and Palestine as the high boron soils and water there work well with Olive trees. Guess what else is considered heart healty---olive oil.

I have always said that it is not only not good for you... but toxic and everyone I knew laughed. Maybe now they are not laughing.

Yes, fluoride is all about making a low level of malaise in those so forced to drink it. It keeps blind men as serfs and more literate as kings.

Interesting the Islam medicine appears not to recognize fluoride and aluminum, but they do value Boron:

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www.islamicmedicine.org...


Below is a diagram showing the distribution of the elements in a 70-kilo human being.


Element

Weight

Macro-minerals


Gram


Oxygen

Carbon
Hydrogen
Nitrogen
Calcium
Phosphorus
Potassium
Sulfur
Chlorine
Sodium
Magnesium
Silicon


43,000

12,000
6,300
2,000
1,100
750
225
150
100
90
35
30

Macro-minerals

Miligram

Iron
Zinc

Copper
Boron
Cobalt
Vanadium
Iodine
Selenium
Manganese
Molybdenum
Chromium

4,200
2,400

90
68
20
20
15
15
13
8
6

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bad breath equals long life, imagine that, now i have a legitimate reason for not brushing my teeth...although i will say that i have always hated toothpaste. I know so many people so religious in there habit, hope they stop using.

Here are a few more of the issues on fluoride in the environment. Just remember when fluoride water hits the stomoch most of it turns to HF. I've seen these ground hugging poison fog releases, and they are indeed eye opening. See the issues of mental confision below and the immune system offsets:

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www.zerowasteamerica.org...

1987 A series of hydrogen fluoride accidents in Texas City, Texas, Torrance California, and Tulsa, Oklahoma, demonstrate that industrial hydrogen fluoride sites are a major public safety threat. Small amounts of HF liquid will release a dense ground hugging gas cloud, lethal for several miles. The first symptoms of exposure to trace amounts of HF are psychological, including confusion, fatigue, partial memory loss, and mental dullness.

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1952 In London, the greatest toxic fog disaster in history occurred from December 5-9 in a temperature inversion. Hydrogen fluoride (HF) gas was the culprit, as in the two earlier major disasters. During those five days there were 2,000 excess deaths in London, and some 10,000 more people were wiped out in the surrounding Thames Valley. Similar episodes, both before and after this one, occurred in London. In 1945, a noxious fog brought death to 600; in 1956, to 500; and in 1957, to 400 (Air Pollution, published on behalf of the World Health Organization, Columbia University Press, N.Y., 1961, p. 175).

Shocking as it is, the toll of lives does not tell the whole story. Neither the assessments of the toxic air disasters, nor tests establishing maximum contaminant levels, take into account the widespread effects on mental function brought about by HF poisoning. Human behavior is exquisitely sensitive to minute traces of hydrogen fluoride - in the parts per billion range. In London, it is likely that millions were so affected. This includes symptoms of confusion, fatigue, partial loss of memory, and mental dullness and apathy. The condition identified in 1982 as chronic fatigue syndrome is currently of undetermined origin, and is now increasingly widespread. The same symptoms are caused by HF air pollution. Research on hydrogen fluoride is lacking, and funding is not available.

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Folks who worked on the Manhattan Project saw these ground hugging poison fog issues with releases of various fluorine chemicals used in their processes. Many that saw this Poison Ground Hugging Fog thought of the times of Moses and the escape from Egypt using what amounted to a Poison Gas to place fear in the Egyptians to make them let the Hewbrews go. They also noticed how easy it was to make HF from either acids acting on fluoride minerals or effects with fire and fluoride minerals. In the super secret world of the Manhattan Project's fluorine processes they witnessed what was the biggest secret from the times of Moses and his Ark of the Covenant. The original reason for the Covenant was to keep this method secret so it would not be abused or used against them, and just be used to help Freedom from Slavery.

Unfortunately, this special secret of the Covenent was soon enough compromised. The Romans used the technique to make walled cities surrender. Industry set off the same effects on the uninformed public from high toxic air releases in modern times.

If one looks still further today, one can find one of the other plagues of Egypt happened in the US from the high phosphate releases into river from pig farms and detergents using phosphates in their feed and in washing. This produced a plague in the rivers of flesh eating bacteria due to the high phosphate effects in the Rivers. To curb this effect the releases from farming of phosphates had to be curbed, as well as a total shift away from phosphate based detergents used for home laundries. These phosphate mills had supplied the fluoride for the water systems, so there is a connection with the fluoridation issue.

The Manhattan Project folks were not the first to observe the ground hugging poison fog effect that killed people, and especially little children, as the fluorine chemistry was largely invented by the NAZIs and IG Farben in Germany and they saw the same Religious Associations to the tale of Moses. When it became the beginning of the end for the NAZI's in Germany, many made deals with the big bankers, joined into Operation Paperclip, and came to the US to further their work on the games of using fluorine. This effort became the fluoridation games to keep the American Public's mind dull and easily controlled. One of the big problems was the NAZI fluorine science joined forces with the Fascist inclined Jewish Bankers of Europe that also recognized their story of Moses. Each kept the other's secrets for a time, for their mutual advantages, but today that corrupted alliance is becoming highly apparent.

How many knew the dangers of fluoride goes back thousands of years to the inner secret of age old religion and the same effects that Moses learned from observations of volcanic effects around Midian in Saudi Arabia.

The issues of Boron trace back to the issues of the old world Essene and their interests in healing the sick. The Essene found the many benefits of Boron on human health due to the soils and water around the Jordan River being high in this mineral that offset the poison effects of fluoride. They associated the effect with foods like grapes, olives, and grains, all picking up higher levels of boron and taking it into their food chain. The effect was so revered that today, the issues of the Holy Sacraments using wine and bread grain stems from this same old history of their efforts in healing. The healing effects of grapes and grains were associated with produce grown from this area. So when one takes the same produce methods to areas like the US, which is highly deficient in boron and other trace minerals these same healing and prevention techniques against fluoride in the enviironment are not nearly so evident. The depeleted trace metals issues in the US soils places the US at huge risks for fluoride rising in concentration in the body causing age related major health risk problems.

Some more issues to connect to the fluoride/fluorine toxic issues. One of the huge risks in the home from HF comes from the use of teflon cookware. And with just slight overheating of one of these pans it releases enough HF to kill all the pet birds in a home, as they are extremely sensitive to fluoride. What HF does is interfere with the cellular respiration process of the mitochondria. The cell mitochondria make the energy fuel for cells, ATP. The origin of mitochondria appears to have been from bacterial designs, as the mitochondrail enzymes like Mn-SOD making the common association.

The effect on birds was even seen around DOE plant in Colorado that made plutonium and the workers there reported the birds would fall out of the skies when they flew too near the HF areas of this plant. Even the issues of Rachael Carson's "Silent Spring" speaks to similar problems and birds avoided industrial areas with high HF releases.

All bacteria, including the bacteria of the gut, are highly affect by this toxic effect and this is why low levels of fluoride causes gastrointestional effects in humans.

There is more, as the issues of "Crib Death" for infants is connected with the use of fluorine derived product "Scotchguard" stain methods on the infants sleeping beds. This is pretty much just like the effect of fluorine in that killed the Egyptians infants and youngest. Scotchguard is in lots of things from upholstry, to carpets and adult bedding. In home fires, the envionment of a home fire becomes a chemical release disaster that requires supplied air respirators for firemen of today to avoid the long term cumulative health risks.

When the fluoride regulations tell that infants should get zero fluoride water, they really mean this and it follows natures way of Mother's Milk being near zero. Most low income mothers and the lesser informed just use fluoride tap water to make their infant's formula and they place their kids at risk of various developmental disorders from nervous system and sexual development being just a couple to consider.

In the Nuclear weapons business the issues of restless leg syndrome effects were seen as indicators for too much fluoride exposures, and this is perhaps an association for ADD.

So, if one looks, the US today has many of the plagues of Egypt affecting everyone in some way. And Americans have been blind to the central cause effect of an extremely toxic material being used which highly affects human health and the envionment that we live.

Sounds like more just jumped on the Fluoride theme of killing people:

video.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by NeoVain
reply to post by steevanie

 

I think you miss the plot. It is not about avoiding things because they might poison you, it is about removing the artificially planted poison from something that you cannot avoid, water. This would be in everyones interest. People that fail to understand this may be those that are already too far gone into flouridation... so my advice to these people would be to first have alot of boron/borax/raisins/apples/nuts and then re-read this thread, maybe the message will be easier to absorb after deflouridation.

Careful with the Boron and Borax:

www.tjclarkinc.com...

Toxicity: Almost all the boron that enters the body from diet or absorption through damaged skin is promptly excreted in the urine. However, this control process can be overwhelmed by very high boron intakes that cause acute boron toxicity with nausea, vomiting, headache, diarrhea, hypothermia, restlessness, skin loss, kidney damage, and death from circulatory collapse and shock. The minimum lethal dose for humans is not known although single doses of 18 to 20 g in adults have been fatal. Chronic boron toxicity symptoms include poor appetite, nausea, weight loss, and decreased sexual activity, seminal volume, and sperm count. Death from boron poisoning is rare probably because of the emphasis placed on maintaining electrolytic balance and supporting kidney function during the worst part of the illness.

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“Borax is natural, but that does not mean it is automatically safer for you or for ‘the environment’ than man-made chemicals. Although plants need boron, too much of it will kill them, so borax can be used as an herbicide. Borax may also be used to kill roaches, ants, and fleas. In fact, it is also toxic to people. Signs of chronic toxic exposure include red and peeling skin, seizures, and kidney failure. The estimated lethal dose (ingested) for adults is 15-20 grams; less than 5 grams can kill a child or pet. For this reason, borax should not be used around food [i.e. the dishwasher!]. More commonly, borax is associated with skin, eye, or respiratory irritation. It is also important to point out that exposure to borax may impair fertility or cause damage to an unborn child.”

NOTE: Dont confuse this with ME telling people all Boron is bad.

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Here is a list of elements in the human body:

Composition of the human body:

Aluminum and Fluorine are listed.

Fluourine

"Because of the difficulty in making elemental fluorine, the vast majority of commercial fluorine is never reduced to the element. Fluorine has the highest electron affinity of any element but chlorine and is an extremely strong oxidizing agent. Fluorine forms stable compounds, fluorides, with all elements except helium and neon. Hydrofluoric acid, in contrast to hydrochloric acid, is only a weak acid, but it is nonetheless extremely corrosive. Fluorides of lighter metal elements are ionic compounds (salts). Heavier metal elements such as uranium form volatile coordination compounds (molecules with several fluorine atoms surrounding a metal atom)."