Romney/Paul ticket 2012 (Ron Paul as vice president)

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
So if this turns out to be a Romney/Paul ticket by August, Ya'll still won't vote for Romney? I don't buy this for one bit. I'm sure there will be a different attitude to this idea by June.

I agree. I can't see the Paul supporters abandoning him if this came to pass. If Paul said, "Look, this is not exactly what we wanted, but the fact is we can't endure another 4 years of Obama. Don't think I can't be influential here. Please vote for us."

I know they're now saying it would never happen, and that may be so, but it is still avoiding the question. A Romney/Paul ticket would win the race hands down. It would be a really dynamic election.

It's not that simple. Paul supporters view Romney as Obama version 2.0, so this would destroy a lot of support for Ron Paul, even by his loyal supporters. If this hypothetical scenario happened, then Paul supporters would most likely look at this as a sell-out and complete shock would ensue considering Pauls 30 years of consistency. Paul supporters would either decide to vote independent, or just say forget it all together. It would destroy the message Paul has been conveying all this time and ruin any chances of his son being elected any time in the near future.This scenario will never happen in a million years.

Perhaps Ron Paul should run on the Democratic ticket?
Ron Paul second in N.H. Democratic Primary
There may be hope for these Democrats...and America, yet.

Well, take this for what it's worth I suppose...

source close to Paul tells me he overheard, in a friendly-jokey colloquy between the Pauls and the Romneys at one of the weekend debates in New Hampshire, Romney saying it was now just all about whether it would be Romney-Paul or Paul-Romney. Romney and Paul have not abused each other much, and pundits have noticed how even a winning Romney will need Paul people in November.

Source

A friend of mine brought up this same exact scenario the other day. Whether it be Romney/Paul or Paul/Romney, even as a staunch Ron Paul supporter, my vote would be going to Barack Obama. There is no way I'm even going to consider that side of the ballot if Willard Romney is anywhere on there. I know it may sound harsh, or even foolish, but if Ron Paul is dumb enough to accept that kind of compromise, then he's dumb enough to accept any kind of compromise against his principles. Obama 2012 for me if he does.

reply to post by nwdogg1982


" A friend of mine brought up this same exact scenario the other day. Whether it be Romney/Paul or Paul/Romney, even as a staunch Ron Paul supporter, my vote would be going to Barack Obama. "


Ah , what can I say , your Not REALLY a Ron Paul Supporter , Right ? I hear Gary Johnson is Running too , maybe a Vote for him wouldn't be so Bad ? ...........

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Sure, if he makes it onto the ballot, you're right he wouldn't be too bad. Look at it this way though, if Ron Paul teams up with Romney, he is showing that he will do whatever it takes to WIN the presidency. Winning the presidency for Ron Paul is not my main goal, I really could care less if it's Ron Paul or some other guy so long as that person has the right views and policies to get this country back to where it needs to be. Gary Johnson seems to embody those principles, so if he makes the ballot, yeah I'll vote for him.

Mitt Romney does NOT hold those views that makes Ron Paul so supportable. If Paul, for some reason, decides to join Romney's ship, then he has sold out his values to get to be President or Vice President. In that case, he is no longer the Ron Paul that I support. I don't hold a do or die attitude towards Paul, if he wins then becomes just like the rest of them, I'll be one of the first to bash him left and right. It's the policies that I care about, not the man.

ETA: Except in Romney's case, I think even if he decided to support Paul's views, I still wouldn't vote for him just because I don't like the guy. Yeah, I can be fickle sometimes.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


You are speaking logically to an emotional group of people.

I actually think this may be possible...but like you are seeing here in this thread...it won't go over too well. Ron Paul supporters worship him as a god...if he were to bow down to Romney to be his VP and help endorse his policies...they would be betrayed and abandon him.

If they keep supporting him they would appear to be hypocrites because they claim what they like about Ron Paul is that he is against exactly what Romney represents.

But it is true that Romney is Paul's only friend out of all the candidates...the others absolutely hate him and think he is insance.

I'd laugh if it happens though...it would be the first peek to Paul supporters that he isn't as pious as he claims to be.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Half the GOP thinks Paul supporters are crazy same goes for the establishment. Do you think they want Paul a heartbeat away from the presidency?

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Exactly.
We Ron Paul supporters would do anything for our "God"....

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

You are speaking logically to an emotional group of people.

I actually think this may be possible...but like you are seeing here in this thread...it won't go over too well. Ron Paul supporters worship him as a god...if he were to bow down to Romney to be his VP and help endorse his policies...they would be betrayed and abandon him.

If they keep supporting him they would appear to be hypocrites because they claim what they like about Ron Paul is that he is against exactly what Romney represents.

But it is true that Romney is Paul's only friend out of all the candidates...the others absolutely hate him and think he is insance.

I'd laugh if it happens though...it would be the first peek to Paul supporters that he isn't as pious as he claims to be.

I'm fairly certain that Paul supporters would eventually cave in to a ticket like this. The way I see it, the vast majority of them won't admit to supporting such a ticket now as it will go contrary to their supposed confidence in Paul eventually winning the GOP nomination. As I said though, by June there will be a different attitude to all this.

I'm certain that Ron Paul would be a smart enough man not to turn down such an offer from Romney. If he did, then this will demonstrate that Paul is far more from reality than I'd expect

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Half the GOP thinks Paul supporters are crazy same goes for the establishment.

Yes, they know that Paulers will not be as faithful to the eventual party nominee if it doesn't turn out to be Paul. They also know that if Paul doesn't win, there is a chance that they may have another Perot on their hands come November, and they don't want that, they can't afford to lose votes. They know that Paul has a solid 10-15% voting block within the GOP, I'm fairly certain that they'll try to work out something.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I thought you were all about 'realism' ??


If in your case Ron Paul comes third or fourth, why would Romney even bother giving Ron Paul the VP slot?

And in also in your scenario, who the hell is getting second? Nobody else has a long term game.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I think Paul's GOP supporters would vote for it.

I don't think any Dem crossovers would vote for Romney just to get Paul as VP...which is basically a powerless position.

And I don't think many Independents would vote for Romney just because Paul is VP.


I think the GOP is in a tough situation no matter what they do...in any scenario they are going to lose a bloc of voters. Which is why I'm sure Obama is smiling from ear to ear right now.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

I'm certain that Ron Paul would be a smart enough man not to turn down such an offer from Romney. If he did, then this will demonstrate that Paul is far more from reality than I'd expect

See, this is why you don't really get it. How is it "smart" to accept an offer to be Vice-President? You don't really understand that Ron Paul is not willing to do whatever, sell out his principles, for whatever fame the office holds.
As for reality, I really believe he is far more based in reality than your logic suggests YOU are.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
So if this turns out to be a Romney/Paul ticket by August, Ya'll still won't vote for Romney? I don't buy this for one bit. I'm sure there will be a different attitude to this idea by June.

If Ron Paul were to agree to be VP under a Romney Administration, then that also means Ron Paul sold out his principles for a position of Power. So if this were to be the case, not only would I not vote Romney, Paul would also lose my support and my vote.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

it won't go over too well. Ron Paul supporters worship him as a god...if he were to bow down to Romney to be his VP and help endorse his policies...they would be betrayed and abandon him.

What the hell, you totally just dis-credited your "worship him as a god" comment in the very next sentence. If Paul supporters stopped supporting him if he went on a Romney ticket, that would obviously show that they DON'T view him as a "God", but rather strongly support his positions instead. Seriously, you really should back off a bit. We all know you like getting under people's skin but c'mon, wtf man.

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Another Ron Paul low blow from Outkast, bravo.

Your desperation to save Obama's failed presidency and policies by putting down his only major threat, Ron Paul, at all costs, says a lot about emotion vs logic.

reply to post by Wookiep

What the hell, you totally just dis-credited your "worship him as a god" comment in the very next sentence. If Paul supporters stopped supporting him if he went on a Romney ticket, that would obviously show that they DON'T view him as a "God", but rather strongly support his positions instead. Seriously, you really should back off a bit. We all know you like getting under people's skin but c'mon, wtf man.

You ever see the face of a child when told that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

This will be the face of Ron Paul supporters if he went on the ticket with Romney...and the god worship would be over because their godlike view of him would be shattered.

Click here for more information.

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Obama's got too much on the line, he can't give it a rest until November 2012 at the earliest. [snipped]