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The greater sum of the human race exists trusting certain perceptions and concepts that they have no avenue to on a personal level.
Those who believe in science,
We can read any number of statements from churches, laboratories, popes and geniuses
We are, as a species, not nearly as smart as we like think we are.
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
As opposed to taking your assertion that knowledge is not provable as fact?
Yes.
Science is the pursuit of knowledge according to reality.
Science actually MEANS knowledge.
Knowledge presupposes Logic.
Hence, Science and Logic are the same thing.
logicology is not a real word.
Logic is Knowledge.
Yes, it is a mathematical equation that *PROVES* that you don't know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
ITT: People who are trying to get you to believe that Knowledge is a form of FAITH that is opposed to whatever GOD that you believe in, in the hopes that in your religious ZEAL to follow your GOD, you will ABANDON knowledge.
Because Knowledge is power, and they want you POWERLESS with Ignorance.
I DENY Ignorance, of which this thread was created SPECIFICALLY to spread.
I'm not going to argue that the definition of the word "science" means knowledge.
I hope you aren't suggesting that knowledge implies truth.
I am very knowledgeable about Chaos Magick and its implementation through Sigilization. That does not mean that it is "provable" or "right" as opposed to "wrong".
There is no binational answer for scientific theories. The theory of electricity does not equal 1.
Hence the reason it was in quotes. I'm just showing you the limitations of using only a dictionary definition of such words.
Science MEANS knowledge, as you stated earlier. Logic, however, does not MEAN that.
Logic:
1. Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity
Valid
1. well grounded in logic or truth or having legal force
So.. you agree that your equation is mathematical, yet you are using it to prove me "wrong" about science..?
When science obviously does not equal mathematics and the two can be irrelevant.
Basically, what you just said is that:
"The mathematical equation A = A, proves science can be absolutely false or true".
Well, there goes your rationality.
Now you are obviously a mind-reader and have figured out my sole purpose of making this thread.
Yes, I have chosen to point out not to believe that everything scientific is set in stone, yet I am somehow the one who is spreading and not denying ignorance.
You do realize that the term "scientific proof" is some what a form of oxymora, right?
There is no such thing as "proof" when it comes to science
Secondly, who is this "they" you are speaking of?
I have no religious affiliation and yet you assume I created this thread because I want to give more validity to God and less to science.
Why must the two be separate? You can't prove religion and you can't prove science Sounds like they are a match made in.... Heaven.
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
ITT: People who are trying to get you to believe that Knowledge is a form of FAITH that is opposed to whatever GOD that you believe in, in the hopes that in your religious ZEAL to follow your GOD, you will ABANDON knowledge.
I DENY Ignorance, of which this thread was created SPECIFICALLY to spread.
Where did you get this idea in this thread?
I have not read anything ITT with regards to having zeal for God thereby kicking their brains into the gutter.
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Thus, I used the axiom "A = A" to prove to you that A *IS* A... and thus, is something that is both KNOWABLE, and also PROVABLE.
Now, how can you prove that the yellow you see is the exact same yellow that anyone sees?
His yellow might be your red, but your red might be his blue.
You can use words all you want but you can't prove that his yellow is the same as your yellow even if he says so.
So, A *IS* A but that does not mean that A = A.
You come off extremely childish when you make claims like that.
I have to assume now that you are playing an aggressive Devil's advocate
and you have even shown that you tip no hat to rationality by making assumptions earlier in the thread.
I can't take the arguments of someone who makes assumptions seriously.
I assume you will have some witty come back to that too, right?
ITT: People who are trying to get you to believe that Knowledge is a form of FAITH that is opposed to whatever GOD that you believe in, in the hopes that in your religious ZEAL to follow your GOD, you will ABANDON knowledge.
Because Knowledge is power, and they want you POWERLESS with Ignorance.
I DENY Ignorance, of which this thread was created SPECIFICALLY to spread.
Tell me what A is? And don't tell it is A.
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by spav5
Tell me what A is? And don't tell it is A.
I already told you that A is A.
Your requirement that it NOT be A is an example of deliberate Ignorance.
You already KNOW that A is A.... as does EVERYONE.
IT is self Evident.
See the assumptions here
Sorry, that's very scientific and all
but measuring wavelengths and frequencies of colors is only relevant to you
Just because the the frequencies are agreeable among two individuals does not mean that the brain of another person interprets them the same.
And this is your science?..it is what it is?
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by spav5
And this is your science?..it is what it is?
I suppose you think that A is Q?
Or perhaps you believe that A is Bolt?
Or maybe you think that A is 5?
Is this *YOUR* science?