9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Ya know OS those columns have been bugging me also, but I found an update to the original photos at 911research.wtc7.net... see bottom

The argument about the damage to the first-floor columns may rest entirely on a misinterpretation of the photographs, Most people have assumed that the three leaning objects on the first floor, where the middle one is thicker than the other two, are the broken remains of columns 15, 16, and 17 (from left to right). However, there is another interpretation that is at least as likely: some or all of these objects may in fact be broken portions of the second floor slab that collapsed after the impact. If you examine the horizontal lines at the level of the bottom of the second floor, and follow them from right to left, you will find that the lowest row of masonry disappears at the top of the rightmost leaning object, and the second row of masonry disappears at the top of the middle leaning object. This suggests that the leaning objects were actually collapsed portions of the second floor slab. The smooth appearance of the region extending into the building from the middle leaning object also suggests it is a portion of the broad floor slab rather than a column.

The red lines show the 2nd floor horizontal supports that have fallen down The yellow zigzag is a real 1st floor support column the turquose line is the 2nd floor masonry just above the 2nd floor horiz support that has also fallen. By eagle1229 at 2008-02-13 DOUBLE CLICK THE PICTURE TO SEE IT ALL I agree with this theory, the plabe took out all the columns and the 2ns story horiz supports (with no vertical supports left fell down and thats what we are seeing in this photo, Geez another photo causing 100000 words [edit on 13-2-2008 by Eagle1229]

reply to post by Eagle1229 Eagle1229 That was a lame move, that picture you post, every one knows that was taking at the back of the Pentagon. No plane hit the pentagon, and most people know that already! If you want to believe the Goverment version The AirPlane Theory. thats your right. But some of us see though the Lies and I for one do. Why should anyone believe anything the Goverment says every again. They have Lied to us over and over and over and over again. You are just kicking a dead horse forget it! You have no proof any plane hit the pentagon only the Gov word and their reports which are laughable. And their stage pictures. Any way who are you! maybe a Goverment disinfo

Originally posted by cashlink reply to post by Eagle1229

 

Eagle1229 That was a lame move, that picture you post, every one knows that was taking at the back of the Pentagon. No plane hit the pentagon, and most people know that already! If you want to believe the Goverment version The AirPlane Theory. thats your right. But some of us see though the Lies and I for one do. Why should anyone believe anything the Goverment says every again. They have Lied to us over and over and over and over again. You are just kicking a dead horse forget it! You have no proof any plane hit the pentagon only the Gov word and their reports which are laughable. And their stage pictures. Any way who are you! maybe a Goverment disinfo

With some respect, cashlink, have you ever seen the Pentagon, not just photos...have you seen the real building, with your own eyes? I ask this, because...I saw, still see, the building every time I drive on I-95, from Virginia to DC....or on Rte-110 I SAW the 'wing' of the building after 9/11...saw the damage...watched the rebuild/repair....knew people who worked in the bulding...it was not 'faked'. You wrote something about the picture, up above, being taken from 'the back of the building'. I am sorry, but that comment demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the architecture of the building, or else you are just parroting something you read somewhere. Do you even KNOW why it is called the 'Pentagon'? This is not a geometry test, but I just hope you know what a pentagon is.... 'no plane hit the Pentagon, and most people know that already'....you said. Define 'most'. I knew the co-pilot, more properly called the F/O, of AA77, David Charlebois. Went to his funeral. Before he died, he was excited about upgrading to Captain, on the MD-80 at American Airlines...I bump in pay, because that is how the senority system at airlines works... But you are convinced...not only you, but 'according' to you, MOST people 'know' what you know??? Let's parse this....'most' idea.... Let's say, about 300 million current US citizens, might be a low count...maybe 360? OK, 'most' would mean, at minimum, 180,000,001...since that is just above one half of 360 million, and by adding one, it is now 'most'...see my point yet? Here's a brilliant idea....start a drive to collect petitions where you can get people to say that, yes, they agree that they 'know' what really happened, and then present that evidence to show that 'most' agree with YOU! You don't have to do it by yourself, start a phone or web network....get the word out, find your army of like-minded people in order to prove that 'MOST' do not accept the reality of 9/11. This is your challenge....please come back and tell us your results, shouldn't take long. If current political candidates can garner advocates, via the web, so can you!!!! Please, come back and tell us about your success!!!! [edit on 13-2-2008 by weedwhacker] second edit attempt...no paragraph indenting...sorry, I tried [edit on 13-2-2008 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by weedwhacker weedwhacker! I dont need to debate you or anybody else. This has been debated for 6 years now, and you are right about one thing I have spent 100s of hours reading in these threads I have seen enough proof that there WAS NO AIRPLANE that hit the pentagon. Yes I have driven pass the Pentagon many time. Untill the FAA releas their investigation crash report proveing a boeing crash in the building and proveing that was the real Airplane by compairing the crash debri to the Airplane CHANGE OUT PARTS! When the Goverment show us the real video of the plane striking the Pentagon. Then you will then prove a Plane hit the Pentagon. No video= no plane. no change out parts at crash sean= no plane. small inpact hole in front of the Pentagon= no plane. No airplane seats= no plane No lugage= no plane Only one engin found= no plane One engin that was found dose not match 757 engin= no plane No tail= no plane No wings= no plane. number one reson why an airplane did not hit the Pentagon, is where the small hole at inpact hole the is a surport bean in the middle= no plane. I dont know who you really are,but we can be anyone on the internet. I can be anyone that I want to be if I chose to I can say I know people that flew the planes. I can say anything I want to, to make you try to belive me. I might be a Goverment agent or you might be one? who knows.I trust no one anymore and not our Goverment . As I said in my last post, The Goverment has TOLD US NOTHING!!!! Thats right NOTHING, We the people are SICK of the LIEING the cover up in Washington over 911, every door to 911 investigation has been slam shut and lock tight. Any one who ask qustion about 911 to the media, is lable a crack pot! What are they hidding? Sorry no Plane hit the pentagon. I do not know what hit the Pentagon, but I know a 757 did not hit that building.

reply to post by cashlink Sorry, cashlink I am impressed that you claim to live in the same area as I, yet cannot see the evidence of AA77, and the tragedy of all of those people, not just on the airplane, bu tin the building too... If you, indeed, live near the Pentagon, then answer one question, regarding some of those killed.... Do you know how many children were onboard that airplane, that day???

reply to post by cashlink And, this is for all to read and decide for themselves... I am not the one to decide whether a person is credible, simply based on spelling and grammar. I make lots of mistakes. However, when I see a diatribe that is poorly written, not just one or two words, easy typos because the keys are right next to each other and you accidentally hit the wrong one, but don't see it and correct it....whether while typing in the post, or later, when you can edit your error[s]... I try to look beyond those typos...because, the Force knows!! I make a lot myself...but when I see a post that is incoherent, I just feel sorrow.... Back to what I tried to make a point about earlier....AA77 was scheduled from IAD (Washington Dulles Airport) to LAX (Los Angeles). AA77, a Boeing 757, was hi-jacked and targeted the Pentagon... I knew the F/O, David Charlebois. I knew that the flight had a group of school children, from DC ... so excited about not only their first flight, but also their first major trip away from home, in their short lives. The terrorists didn't care about the humans on the airplanes, or the other humans on the ground. These are the SAME TERRORISTS who, in recent weeks, used women who were developmenatlly disabled as 'mules'...with strapped on explosives, in order to carry out a 'suicide' series of attacks. THIS is the most heinous, most depraved thing to come out of this nonsense...I wanted to use a stronger word, but T&Cs forbid it....and I will not use the other symbols either....you all know what I mean. The more I write, the more I want to cry...and not just for the victims, not only for the passengers and crew for AA11, AA77, UA93 and UA175, but for all of the other victims...the ones who fall for the 'hoax theory' BS! If you did not work in the Airline Industry prior to 9/11, then you have NO idea what you are talking about! If you do not KNOW ANYTHING about airlines, or airline security, before or AFTER...then you do not know what you are talking about. If you claim to live anywhere near the Pentagon, since say, 1996, as I have, and still claim it ws faked....then you do not know what you are talking about!!! People can spout nonsense that they have seen somewhere on the Web...or, the 'internets'...as one Comedian calls it...and repeat that nonsense because it is thought to be 'fact'...even if there is no supporting evidence. Saying something is so, does not make it so...

reply to post by weedwhacker You DID NOT read my post!

reply to post by weedwhacker It amazing how much you seem to know first hand about the Pentagon incident on 911. I SERIOUSLY have to consider wheather or not you are part of the Goverment cover-up.

Originally posted by cashlink Eagle1229 That was a lame move, that picture you post, every one knows that was taking at the back of the Pentagon. No plane hit the pentagon, and most people know that already!

What the hell are you talking about? 'back of the Pentagon?' That's the spot where the 757's right engine and wing root are 'alleged' to have impacted. And he's absolutely right that there are NO columns there until CL18 (the one with yellow). Can you demonstrate differently? Didn't think so.

Any way who are you! maybe a Goverment disinfo

Wow. Where can I get ME some of this cash you got a link to? Fightin disinfo and gettin paid for it, stupendous...

reply to post by Caustic Logic If you want the truth what hit the Pentagon start here 911scholars.org... These are credible people some are mathematician, scientist, professors. These people have degrees to support thier finding, do you? You come in here with your attitudes with no foundtion to suport your theorys attacking people grammer mis spelling errors, and I notice you work in groups together. So this is what you do when people dont agree with you! You go in ATTACK MODE. Nice little team you three make. 911 scholars have proven to me much of the truth that a plane DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON. you have not. I sugest you read their work you might learn something.

reply to post by cashlink Ummmm, cashlink.... I think CausticLogic is on YOUR side, but you laid right in to him with all of your normal vitriol. No, no I am not paid by the Gov't...I am but a normal person, who worked in the Airline Industry, flew the planes involved...yes, as a pilot...I lived near the Pentagon, on that day....I knew the F/O of AA77, David Charlebois....I knew there were SCHOOLCHILDREN on AA77, so excited to be on their first airplane ride, so excited about their trip to Los Angeles... When I see what happened, when I was home on that day, and experienced it, then I see people try to diminish the losses with nonsense, I feel a need to speak up about it. Those you wish to pick apart EVERY LITTLE detail, in order to 'prove' some pet theory of this, or that, are very close to becoming another second level of 'terrorist'... People died, but CT'ers keep on living, and keep on selling books. That is the truly disgusting part of this debate, IMO. Guess this is how the Kennedy Family has felt since 1963, and again in 1968....

reply to post by weedwhacker Those you wish to pick apart EVERY LITTLE detail, in order to 'prove' some pet theory of this, or that, are very close to becoming another second level of 'terrorist'... People died, but CT'ers keep on living, and keep on selling books. Oh weedwhacker you really are a pice of work lol I think your just upset that other people beat you to the punch of writing their own books lol some bad ones at that and I have read some good one to. Thats right people die every day and we keep on posting! too bad for you!! (becoming another second level of 'terrorist') So people who dont belive in the Goverments version are second level terrorist, Now I find that DISGUSTING! I guess you would want to see me dead to.

reply to post by weedwhacker Ummm.. not on his side. Not on this anyway. And little else I'd guess with a mind like what I'm seeing so far. reply to post by cashlink I agree with you that weed's comment was pretty strong. Terrorists, almost? But hey... for some people 9/11 is still real and this stuff hurts. That's why we need to be extra careful about being RIGHT. And we're at a discussion forum - DISCUSSION. Rather, a constant stream of screennames pops thru here, pushing the latest dumbest theories hatched by accredited liars, and call it the "Truth mmovement" and get all indignant at anyone who doesn't believe the same websites they do. Their approach to discussion is to plug their ears and keep chanting the same crap, only paying attention enough to catch something their opponents say they can use against them. Spouting beliefs (if these things are really even believed) while using words like 'evidence,' 'proven,' 'known.' BS. This isn't normal Human behavior, it's dishonest and Orwellian and a travesty. Don't tell me these people don't exist, they do, in mass. Please tell me, or show me, Cashlink, that you aren't one of the. Show me that you're human. I'll leave it up to you how but the key is reason and an open mind. Please do not just insist you do have an open mind and your opponents don't and you're right and they're wrong and that's it. Same for Orion Stars and the many others. [edit on 15-2-2008 by Caustic Logic]

And BTW, regarding my reliance on official lying government documents for my claims, like that there are no columns in that spot shown above: find me any source saying I'm wrong, that these columns (15-17) are there and attached. Google the phrase “severely distorted but still attached at least at their top ends to the second-floor framing.” Who said that? And who's looking outside the reports box at actual evidence? And who's just flat rejecting everything that contradicts their precious internet experdiot opinions like "no planes flew anywhere on 9/11. As the guy that invented the 757, I know - if a plane tried to fly in a circle it's wings would fall off," etc... And a note on language: it's supposed to represent our real world, which does operate by set rules we can understand, and help us understand it in all its complexity. But language is powerless to help understanding when all you do is chant with your ears closed. Happy Friday all.

I SAW A 757 HIT THE PENTAGON !!!! I was glued to the american news chanels shortly after the first plane hit. I saw footage taken from what looked like a freeway overpass or something (see below) outside the Pentagon perimeter clear as crystal showing even the apprach of this jet for about 300m (with camera panning from left to right) then clearly hitting and disintegrating on the side of the Pentagon. I SAW IT ONCE ONLY. It seemed to have been immediately censored [read: silenced] from the news update 15 minutes later. I have looked everywhere and spoken to everyone I can about this for years after and never once have I come across the footage again. I KNOW it was censored. I KNOW I was not imagining things. And I cannot believe that someone somewhere did not record this and post it anywhere. As a result of my certainty, I believe that hearing Generals say “no plane hit” confirms my conspiracy-conspiracy theory; that this kind of statement fuels conspiracy discussions and therefore distracts from the facts and original evidence, causing polarisation of opinion and leaving everyone not knowing what to believe any more. Kind-a Roswell again but in my lifetime. Did anyone see or know someone that saw the footage I saw?? Location of Camera: I just google earthed the pentagon and the spot the camera was, would have been on either the Henry Shirley Memorial Highway or Washigton Boulevard or perhaps where they meet just south west of the pentagon. Who was there filming? Why were they there? Why was the footage quality so damned good - it was no mobile phone camer or security camera that’s for sure? And what the **** happened to the footage? Mittwoch [edit on 18-2-2008 by mittwoch]

To the readers of this Forum: Being at the Pentagon just after the Boeing 757-200 crash has caused quite stir at the Reblublic Broadcast Network. Michael Collins Piper interviewed me 3 times and Christopher Bolynn interviewed 2 times on the telephone and did 1 Piper Report show with out me. This is a very hard subject to talk about. I even had a Blog entitled, What ever happened to Flight 77 and the Passengers? I have removed that Blog of my own accord about 2 weeks ago. Eric Hufschmit did a 2 hour phone interview in which My son Matthew Danner was brought into this mess. My Lymphoma Cancer of which I have had since July 2004 was also accounted to a story of Depleted U-238 that was supposed to have been found at the crash sence and that was stated by Christopher Bolynn of the American Free Press of which He is no longer employed. I have listened to 9 hours of interviews of which I and my son are interviewed. This whole account is blown out of proportion and I will account the truth as I saw it with no spin, or lies or embellishments as My family is destroyed as a result of this whole fiasco. I will begin this story right here as I feel that this is where I should tell the account at this thread. So I will wait 2 days and write the account as I recall the whole truth and nothing but that and that alot. I respect Above Top Secret for policing this highly sensitive subject. SamDanner March 26th, 2008.

reply to post by CatHerder Very nice job; reminds me of the Warner Commission on the assination of JFK; very convincing were it not for the gathering and vieling of evidence and the fact that I am absolutely convinced 9-11 was a False Flag operation orchestrated by the CIA. If in fact it was a Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon and not a missle loaded with Boeing 757 parts, there still is not an accounting for the bodies and numerous other details. Nevertheless, this and other presentations like this will convince most, while the rest of us remain convinced that regardless of what hit the Pentagon; it was an ochestrated attack by our own...NOT Iraq, not Bin Laden. But again, tell whomever helped you along with this that you are owed a bonus. Great Job at counter propaganda.

With all due respect to you Cat herder I know of what I saw was an Inside job kind sir. No boeing 757-200 or any airliner struck the Pentagon. You spout off at the mouth before I even print one word. For your information sir I think the Warren commission is like reading a Dell comic book. I reread the threat here many times. After your wise remark, I am going to let the issue just go. I knew there would be flaming here. Be I have yet to type a word about the missle drone that hit the Pentagon. But you know all sir. ATS, Well I have nothing more to say. SamDanner American Airlines Flight 77 in Memorial. 3-27-2008

Welcome Sam -- Matthew left some comments at my blog once - seems nice enough. frustratingfraud.blogspot.com... FYI Cat Herder is long gone. I don't know why people keep addressing him/her directly. I look forward to seeing your real recollections this time. No humpback drones, eh? It might be worth starting its own thread over BTW. Yes, it would in fact. I think you might still kick that cancer BTW. Keep at the alternate cures, which I'm sure you're aware of. Wishing you luck. [edit on 28-3-2008 by Caustic Logic]

Originally posted by mittwoch I SAW A 757 HIT THE PENTAGON !!!!

But why was this footage sensored and not seen again? Why does the FAA anf FBi refuse to release part numbers to match parts to the planes?