Mullumbimby, helping to save world (Rossi E-Cat)

Have a starred this thread for mentioning the word "Mullumbimby".

Its part of a very unusual region, that many spiritualists and Earth worshippers can testify.

There are very strange fungi in area that contain very strange blue compounds.

The electical storms almost spell "This is the area of Magic and the In Between World".

Lots of spirits both alive and dead in the area around Nimbin Kyogle, Mullumbimby, casino, The Channon ect ecte ct.

Odd location for such relevation?

Originally posted by wtbengineer
reply to post by pteridine

 

You know, for all our sakes I hope you are right. I understand the physics of nuclear fission, as well as the theory behind cold fusion. I am just jaded by many years of hoping for something better but not seeing anything come to fruition. Really, I am not your rival but more a devil's advocate. I would like nothing more than to eat my words.

I do not consider anyone a 'rival' on ATS. ATS is a place for discussion and information. LENR is real and it will be commercialized.
At this point in time, many are asking about the high energy gamma rays that are expected for some of the proposed reactions, which may be wrong in any case. The problem we have is that everything we know about nuclear reactions we learned by collisions of particles of at least tens of kilovolts with other particles or with condensed matter. We know enough to make power plants and bombs and little else. What happens when reaction occurs at 3 electron volts? We don't know because we have never done it before. What particles are emitted from nuclei in excited states? Maybe they aren't in any excited state we have seen before so we don't know that either. The regime of these reactions are far from that which we know. We do know we get out heat that we can't explain by chemical reaction and that as engineers, we will use that heat while science works to figure out what is happening and so we can continually improve our processes.

reply to post by Kryties


Hi all, I attended this meeting in Mullumbimby last night.

I wrote up a quick report - www.psylords.info...

Peace - bna

Originally posted by Dr Expired
Have a starred this thread for mentioning the word "Mullumbimby".

Its part of a very unusual region, that many spiritualists and Earth worshippers can testify.

There are very strange fungi in area that contain very strange blue compounds.

The electical storms almost spell "This is the area of Magic and the In Between World".

Lots of spirits both alive and dead in the area around Nimbin Kyogle, Mullumbimby, casino, The Channon ect ecte ct.

Odd location for such relevation?

I nearly bought a house in Mullumbimby and back in my teens/early 20's I used do bimonthly runs down through that area from Brisbane to Nimbin for various reason which cannot be mentioned due to ATS T&Cs. It is my favorite area in Australia not just for mj/fungi related reasons but the amazing natural beauty, the people and the simplicity of life.

I am quite surprised that the people their managed to get their s*#t together to not only find this guy but also to get Dick Smith involved (to those of you unfamiliar with Dick Smith he's kinda like Australia's version of Richard Branson with a slightly geekier slant and minus the babes, though he does have some political clout purely due to the fact so many Australians love him).

However, with the state of the world today maybe I shouldn't be surprised that it would happen in a place of such beauty and spirituality. I so hope this turns out to be genuine.

UPDATE....

Ok, so apparently the meeting was to be hosted via Skype from Italy, with Rossi supposed to ring in at a certain time. When the time came, no call. Dick Smith has declared scepticism and will keep his money in the bank.

www.smh.com.au...

More fizzed than Fusion, so Dicks not energised.

IT WAS billed as a scientific breakthrough providing a clean-energy future for the planet. The poster that lured the good folk of Mullumbimby said: ''Hello clean, green, renewable, inexpensive cold fusion. You are invited to a public meeting.''

There was to be a Skype link-up to Italy with the physicist Andrea Rossi, who would explain how his E-cat machine could take a small amount of energy and turn it into lots of energy. Something for nothing.

So about 100 Mullumbimby residents filed into the ex-services club on Friday night. The entrepreneur Dick Smith had offered to invest $200,000 if the physics was proven. He sent along a consulting aerospace engineer and sceptic, Ian Bryce, to assess the machine. In the hall were two screens, ready for the link-up.

Sol Millin, a local retiree and founder of The Byron New Energy Charitable Trust, spoke first, hoping to convince investors. But when it was time for the link-up, the phone didn't ring. And it didn't ring.

Mr Millin told The Sun-Herald: ''I thought it was better if Dr Rossi rang us. He is a very important man and a very busy man and I didn't want to keep him waiting.''

But they had their wires crossed, their timing out of sync. Each was expecting the other to call.
''I didn't bother to blame him and he didn't bother to blame me,'' Mr Millin said. ''I was very disappointed - I was going to stand on the stage and talk directly to the inventor.''

Asked if he though Mr Smith would invest in the project, Mr Millin replied: ''Absolutely.''

Mr Bryce has advised Mr Smith otherwise. ''My view was that it was much too early to talk about investing. I have serious concerns about the invention's credibility and lack of sound scientific theory behind it.''

Mr Smith said: ''I said, get me some evidence and I will put some funding up, but they couldn't even organise the timing for a Skype link-up. I am very suspicious of the whole thing. I am not holding my breath. I will keep my $200,000 in the bank.''

Read more: www.smh.com.au...

reply to post by Kryties


Sounded too good to be true. I would have thought that if a renowned entrepreneur were offering you 200,000 if you could prove your invention worked, you would make every effort to dial in.

Having said that though, my guess is the real it was a flop was cos they left up to the good towns-folk of mullumbimby to organize, i'm guessing they probably forgot to what day they told Rossi to ring in, or couldn't find the 'on' switch through all the pot-smoke......

reply to post by 1littlewolf


Contrary to popular opinion, not everyone in Mullumbimby smokes pot. That's Nimbin, my friend

Apparently they forged ahead anyway, Rossi had sent out a representative to be there in person for the link-up.....he gave a speech and they did some debating but while some of the attendees remain hopeful, I have to say I am with Dick Smith on this one. If Rossi was serious about this he would have made bloody sure he was there at the appointed time.

Then again, miracles do happen I guess.

reply to post by Kryties


I have to say I stand by my original stance on this. It's getting extremely unlikely that I will have to eat any words at all. Anyone who has studied physics even on a basic level would have to be skeptical.

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by 1littlewolf

 

Contrary to popular opinion, not everyone in Mullumbimby smokes pot. That's Nimbin, my friend

Apparently they forged ahead anyway, Rossi had sent out a representative to be there in person for the link-up.....he gave a speech and they did some debating but while some of the attendees remain hopeful, I have to say I am with Dick Smith on this one. If Rossi was serious about this he would have made bloody sure he was there at the appointed time.

Then again, miracles do happen I guess.

Yeah you're right, i shouldn't generalize. Though I will say am quite familiar with that area and the people that live there and if I were having a showing of my invention to i would not be relying on them to organize stuff. Especially if was the potential backing of Australia's greatest entrepreneur, and especially when it's something that could change the way we produce energy in the world forever.

Whether it's Rossi, or the people of Mullumbimby, or just bad luck who really knows. Somethings definitely a bit fishy here. I agree with you completely when you say your with Dick Smith on this one. But the fact that he'd even take an interest in it to begin with does make me seem there still might be something to this story yet.

For those of you who are interested in Andrea Rossi and his E-Cat I've just found this article posted only a day or two ago regarding updates to the E-Cat system.

Andrea Rossi, the inventor of the E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer), does not give a large number of interviews (we know of three in the past year). He is far too busy putting in often 14-16 hour days preparing for the production of one million, ten kilowatt units for home use. However, on the anniversary of the first press conference about the E-Cat technology that took place January 14, 2011, he graciously allowed for an interview that turned out to be very revealing. During the interview many questions were answered, and a few revelations were made about the development of the E-Cat technology. Source

The following is a review of many of the topics discussed, and bombshells dropped.

REACTOR CORE -- The reactor core of the home E-Cat unit is about the size of a cigarette box, and is capable of producing ten kilowatts of power. The size of the entire unit will be about the same as a home computer (which I think indicates it is the size of a desktop.) This is a significant reduction in size from previous figures provided. This makes a home E-Cat unit very small and compact.

It was also clarified that each individual home E-Cat system will utilize one reactor core. This is different than what was stated only a couple months ago, which indicates just how rapidly progress is being made. If the reactor core is the size of a single pack of cigarettes (about 85 cubic centimeters) and can produce 10 kilowatts of power, this makes the power density 117 watts per cubic centimeter -- a super high value!

SIMPLE REFUELING -- It was revealed home E-Cat units would be capable of being re-fueled by individuals, and not by technicians. He claimed it would be like changing the ink in a pen. After using a cartridge for 180 service days (when the system is actively in use), the system will indicate it needs to be replaced. Once a new cartridge is obtained from his company or a member of their network, the old one will be removed, and the new one popped in. The old cartridge will then be sent to Leonardo Corporation to be recycled. Interestingly, he seemed to indicate that much of the remaining nickel could be salvaged, and it would only need to be re-processed. Each cartridge will cost only about ten dollars, although at first the price could be slightly higher.

Once again, he asserted that such small amounts of nickel are used, that there is zero possibility of a shortage due to the proliferation of the E-Cat technology. If the entire world converted all their power producing systems to run off nickel, only 1% of the annual production would be consumed.

Though the E-Cat is likely to propagate extensively, we envision many other free energy technologies also emerging, and some of those modalities don't consume any fuel whatsoever, and may be likely to obsolete many of the potential long-term applications of the E-Cat. As cheap and abundant as Nickel is, it isn't infinite, like some other energy sources such as Zero Point Energy.

NO HYDROGEN CANISTER -- Unlike previous E-Cat systems which required the use of a hydrogen canister, the new home E-Cat utilizes a material inside of the reactor core which can release and absorb hydrogen. Due to this, no hydrogen canister is needed. I am assuming that the hydrogen release and absorption is controlled via the temperatures produced in the reactor core. Probably when the heat is high the hydrogen is released, and when the temperature goes down the hydrogen is absorbed. Although about ten grams of hydrogen will be placed in the core, only picograms will actually be consumed in the nuclear reactions.

The removal of the hydrogen canister will make the certification process simpler, because it had previously been a significant hoop to jump through. Also, I think the lack of hydrogen canister greatly contributes to the size reduction of the system.

DIRT CHEAP ENERGY -- The cost of a home E-Cat unit was stated to be between $400 and $500 dollars. This will be accomplished through the best engineering possible of the production line, automization of all aspects of the factory, and the use of robotics. The goal is to make this technology so affordable that everyone will be able to purchase a system, and competitors will not be able to under sell him. Although his technology will obviously be reverse-engineered when the units start to sell, it does not matter because he will have a major head start.

SELF SUSTAIN -- The home E-Cat units will be made to self sustain. For the first hour after being turned on, a unit will draw approximately 2.7 to 2.9 kilowatts of power to heat up the reactor core. After that time, the system will self sustain, in that the only power consumed will be used to power the electronics and control systems.

The ability of the system to self sustain will not be controlled by the user, but will be totally automated by the control electronics. He compared it to a hybrid electric car in which the computer decides whether the engine runs or if the vehicle runs off the battery, or if the brakes are applied or if the regenerative system is used to slow the vehicle.

NATIONAL INSTRUMENTS AND STABILITY -- National Instruments (NI) is working with Rossi to design new control systems for the one megawatt and home E-Cat. With these new control systems, the stability of E-Cat units has been improved. The key issue needed to be resolved by the control systems is the ability to keep the reactor stable when steam temperatures above 120C are being produced. During the interview he stated that great progress is being made. On his blog he has indicated that they have been able to achieve stable steam production of 400C. This will be important for the efficient production of electricity.

He went on to say that in a meeting with NI's engineers and scientists, they explained to him that they did not want to just design a control system for him, but wanted to teach him how to design one. Their philosophy is not just to give a man a fish, but to teach the man to fish.

MILITARY CUSTOMER -- In addition to the help of NI, the Colonel Engineer who controlled the test of the one megawatt plant on Oct. 28th is working with Rossi to improve the control systems of the plant. Currently, the customer and NI are working to improve the control system, and are changing the gaskets in the system to stop leaks from taking place. He mentioned that the military representative he is working with is an expert into thermodynamic systems.

The fact that a new control system is being installed is not a bad thing. It is a very good thing. If the customer was not satisfied the E-Cat worked, he would not be helping with the development of a new control system. The fact that the military, NI, other partners that remain undisclosed, and Rossi are all working together on this project shows the significance of the technology -- and its reality!

UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES -- Rossi said that they have sent prototypes to UL, and they are working with them to get the home unit certified for "UL approval".

This was a major announcement. If they are at this state of development, it means they are very far along. This alone would be worthy of a feature story. As far as we know, this is the first exotic free energy technology that has been submitted for UL approval.

You don't submit something to UL until you have a final version. What is submitted to UL is what is taken to market. If any changes are made, they have to once again pass through the UL certification process, which takes several months.

CATALYSTS -- In regards to a question about the importance of the catalysts, Rossi stated that the system will not work without them. According to him, no one has been able to make a practical nickel hydrogen system because they did not have the proper catalysts. He did not refute the statement that they are actual physical elements added to the reactor core, in addition to nickel and hydrogen. It needs to be remembered that he has stated over and over again that the catalysts are physical elements, and not a type of process.

RADIO FREQUENCY GENERATORS -- In addition to the catalysts, a question was asked about the radio frequency generator that somehow interacts with the reactions inside of the core. Rossi stated this information is very proprietary, but gave a few clues. First, he compared the use of the radio frequencies to martial arts. He claims that the radio frequency generator allows the forces that would normally prevent the fusion process from taking place (Coulomb forces) to work for you, and not against you. The full theory of how the system works will be revealed, "soon," he said.

RESPONSE TIME -- Rossi explained that the E-Cat technology does not have the response time of a gas powered heater that can be instantly turned on and off. However, it is perfectly suitable for home heating. Also, I think it should be pointed out that with the E-Cat technology it does not matter a great deal if energy is wasted. For example, the energy is so cheap, there will be no financial reason not to keep it turned on at all times -- even if it can be slow to throttle up and down. If all of the energy did not need to be used, some of the heat could be vented into the atmosphere.

It was also discussed that a great application of the E-Cat technology will be to preheat water for power plants. However, there is a lot of legal red-tape here, even if the technology is ready. It can take years for a power plant to obtain the certifications to change their system in any way.

SAFETY -- It was once again confirmed the device is totally and completely safe. No radioactive substances are used, and no radioactive waste is produced. Also, no pollution of any kind is emitted from the device. Importantly, it cannot "melt down" like a traditional nuclear reactor. In an E-Cat, if the reactions grow too intense the nickel powder will simply melt (destroying all of the reaction sites) and the nuclear reactions will cease.

GAMMA RADIATION AND ANTI-MATTER -- The E-Cat technology produces low energy gamma radiation that is converted into heat inside of the reactor. The signature of the gamma radiation that has been detected is said to be 511 keV at 180 degrees. These gamma rays are thought to be produced when electrons impact positrons and annihilate each other. So, if we understand correctly, Rossi theorizes that inside of the E-Cat there are anti-matter/matter annihilation taking place, releasing energy. However, he stated this is just a side effect of what really takes place, which he has previously indicated is nuclear fusion.

INVESTMENT -- Rossi is open to investment by businesses and organizations that want to invest relatively small sums of money. However, he is not interested in families and individuals investing in the technology, because there are too many risks at this time. Although the technology works, they have to get the E-Cat on the market successfully. They have certifications to obtain, a factory to setup, and other issues to deal with. Once the home units are on the market, they will at some point "go public" and individuals will be capable of investing.

reply to post by 1littlewolf

Thanks for the link! $10 for 6 months of electricity? Not free but pretty cheap. My only problem is I don't have a neutron detector, so how can I feel safe that I'm not getting bombarded by neutrons?

Well that, and nobody I know of has ever seen the thing actually work for more than a few hours.

Hi, I am the aerospace engineer sent by Dick Smith to investigate Rossi's ECAT cold fusion machine. Also Chief Investigator, Australian Skeptics.
Since the publicity about the Mullumbimby meeting, I have found a possible explanation for how the 15 scientists were misled by the demonstrations, and why they gave some support for cold fusion.

Up to July 2011, the so-called 10 and 3 KW ECATS seemed to produce about 3 KW out (as steam and hot water) while only consuming 300-800 W from the power point. My hypothesis is that the earth wire was misconnected to the active pin inside the power plug, and to a second power controller inside the blue box, thus bypassing the power monitoring instruments. A simple switch would briefly disconnect the extra power should any observer approach the amp meter.
In October, the much larger 27 KW ECAT had a misplaced thermocouple, which gave an inflated value for T (out). The real output power could have been 3000 W or lower, again within the capacity of the power point.

I have discussed these theories with several scientists who observed tests, and they say it is possible.
Our full press release is at the site of Australian Skeptics www.skeptics.com.au . Full details are in the linked supporting documents.

Thus I believe there is NO remaining ECAT tests with unexplained power gain.

reply to post by IanBryce


Hi Ian, thanks for replying to this thread. I have been keeping my eye out for any more news regarding the Mullumbimby meeting but hadn't found anything worth posting.

Your hypothesis makes sense to me, and it certainly explains why the inventor is so hard to nail down in order to run some serious tests.

reply to post by IanBryce

Hi Ian, and thank you very much for posting that! What a great first post, and welcome to ATS!

Of course we would all like to have lower power bills so we want this to be real, but given the claim is extraordinary it really does need extraordinary evidence to be convincing. We ATS members seem to be split with some pretty skeptical and some not so skeptical.

One concern I've heard expressed about some demonstrations is that observers were not given free reign to verify things they wanted to verify. For example in your post, you mentioned the possibility of the wiring not being correct. Would observers such as yourself be given access to verify if the wiring is indeed correct?

Or were you presented with a "you can look, but you can't touch anything" presentation?

reply to post by IanBryce


Thankyou for taking the time to post. Although it's not what we hoped to hear, it is what many suspected.

However, i still believe in LENR, perhaps not so much in Rossi.

reply to post by IanBryce


Ian, I just want to say that it is good to have people like you looking at claims like this at coming up with plausible explanations. For over a year now Rossi has not done what he should have to show his systems functionality, and a number of people have been making excuses for him.



Hopefully someone can get their hands on the ecat to put this to rest.