The Illuminati are the GOOD GUYS!

Originally posted by BeforeTheHangmansNoose
Evil is ALWAYS done behind closed doors.

Not always. It's often done in plain sight as well. For that matter, Good is often done behind closed doors as well. So I'm not sure what your point is.

As JFK stated (before he was murdered):

"We decided long ago, the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment, far outweigh the dangers of those, cited to justify them.

Oh good, for a minute I thought he may have stated that AFTER he was murdered. Thanks for clearing that up. You do realize, though, that he said that two and a half years before he was killed? Do you think there was a connection? Were the people pulling the strings that inept that it took them 31 months to pull it off after he pissed in their Cheerios?

I cannot even comprehend the flawed logic of such a scenario.

Right back atcha.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by maestromason

 

I'm guessing you haven't encountered any real Adepts, not surprising, they are few.

The Illuminati: check out liber 100. It' an OT.O. internal document, so you may have a few problems. However, it was released to the public some years ago. The O.T.O. tried to reclaim all the copies, but, we all knw they couldn't, so there is a little hope. It talks a little about the Illuminati.

And, of course there are no ties between your Order and the Illuminati. It is unlikely that that "H.B." would consider even your most advanced member qualified. But, that would be an O.T.O. issue, and not one. I would like to speculate or comment on further.

Was nice for you to include your grade, etc though not very appropriate. I'd give you mine, but, I seriously doubt you are capable of understanding...but, what the hell...I'm one grade above the one whose "passwrd" is:

As for my "alienness", your opinion is moot until you have the science to back it up ... as I do.

Etharzi od Oma

edit on 11-1-2012 by AnthraAndromda because: (no reason given)

Goes to show how much you know about FREEMASONRY. I never gave my "grade" I have not had grades since I graduated from college. Just from that I can tell you must be an initiate of magick....no comments(wink).

The red G on my chest is the house where "I reside". My uncle traveled the world for over 60 years seeking and have been in the most remote places of the middle east where he was initiated into Sufism....he traveled to China where he was initiated into the Taoist mysteries for the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. I have met true Rosicrucians in Egypt and they are .: and not :.

You sound like you are affiliated with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn....I have no comments on Aleister Crowley and I am very well versed in the Eleusinian mysteries and the rites thereof.

I am telling you people that the Illuminati does not exist.

reply to post by maestromason

I am telling you people that the Illuminati does not exist.

Saying the same thing over and over, does not make it true.

Just a heads up

reply to post by maestromason


It's just as easy to say that the moon does not exist. We can argue the opposit of anything. It's easy to take the opposit stance.

But the truth is there is mounting evidence that there is something sinister and untoward directing the world. That idea spreads across the globe each and everyday and more and more people are becoming aware of it.

It does you--nor I--any good to rehash that evidence in this post. It exists everywhere---on this website and in award winning documentaries like "Thrive."

It is your right to embrace the evidence or leave it, but I find it hard to believe that you'd belong to a website whose motto is "deny ignorance" and still continue to take such a stance.

Originally posted by NeoVain
reply to post by maestromason

 

I am telling you people that the Illuminati does not exist.

Saying the same thing over and over, does not make it true.

Just a heads up

neither does believing it.

reply to post by maestromason


Nobody can "prove" anything in this regard. That's kinda the whole point and we wouldn't be having this discussion if that were the case.

I honestly believe it to be a stretch of the imagination to envision a world WITHOUT the Illumminati...


I think this is actually just massive derailment... I mean the concept of "The Illuminati" stands at the foundation of ATS and free thinking of the past 30+ years...

I'm always impressed by my first hand experiences of getting 'trolled'.. it just comes out of nowhere

Originally posted by MRuss
It is your right to embrace the evidence or leave it, but I find it hard to believe that you'd belong to a website whose motto is "deny ignorance" and still continue to take such a stance.

It's a matter of semantics. The Illuminati was a group that was started on May 1, 1776 and ended on March 2, 1785. It didn't exist before that, and it doesn't exist today.

We may not have a good name for whatever The Powers that Be are, because there's not just one group of them, but you can't use Illuminati as a blanket term, because it doesn't apply. The actual, historical Illuminati were anti-government, anti-church. They were essentially anarchists who believed that man should rule himself. That doesn't sound anything like what most people today think the Illuminati were about.

New World Order

1. No more living paycheck to paycheck wondering when the shoes gonna drop
2. Doctors Heal because they want you to feel and be well they arent trying to become wealthy and look good in the eyes of their peers (Insurance policies are irrelevant-doctors are taken care of thus patients are taken care of) symptoms arent just alleviated but root causes are cured.
3. No more greater than lesser than people
4. Everyone knows at their core levels they are accepted and loved
5. Negative emotions are no more
6. No need to defend protect attack and horde


If thats what it is....bring it on.

Originally posted by superluminal11
New World Order

1. No more living paycheck to paycheck wondering when the shoes gonna drop
2. Doctors Heal because they want you to feel and be well they arent trying to become wealthy and look good in the eyes of their peers (Insurance policies are irrelevant-doctors are taken care of thus patients are taken care of) symptoms arent just alleviated but root causes are cured.
3. No more greater than lesser than people
4. Everyone knows at their core levels they are accepted and loved
5. Negative emotions are no more
6. No need to defend protect attack and horde


If thats what it is....bring it on.

Welcome to enlightenment. The end of greed, blind faith, and ignorance. Welcome to the dawn of a new age....

...and right on time if my calendar is correct.

I guess until people start taking responsibility and accountability for their own actions there will always be the "evil powers" no matter what name they are under.

So be it!

Originally posted by JoshNorton

The actual, historical Illuminati were anti-government, anti-church. They were essentially anarchists who believed that man should rule himself. That doesn't sound anything like what most people today think the Illuminati were about.

Sorry to burst your bubble here, but that is EXACTLY what they say on this website as well.

You didn´t even read the link did you? It teaches the EXACT same things as you are saying here, and everything i have previously heard about the "old" illuminati teachings as well. Only much more elaborate.

This goes back to the roots, and is consistent.

From the site:

On Governments.

We resist two groups - the Old World Order and the group that stands behind them. For the time being, we shall say nothing more about the organisation that hides behind the curtain. The Old World Order are dupes, but they are unaware of it. Their game is the oldest one of all - power. How to get it and how to maintain it. These are the key points about the OWO: 1) The OWO is a global network of dynastic families. 2) Their mission is to maintain the power and wealth of their dynasties in perpetuity. 3) Others are admitted to the charmed circle only if they can assist the interests of the OWO. 4) The OWO do not care about the welfare of ordinary citizens. Ordinary people simply do not show up on their radar as long as they go about their humdrum lives in the expected way. 5) The OWO have no plans to build concentration camps, or slave encampments or anything else. Such measures would consume vast resources, create unnecessary trouble and serve no useful function. The OWO can sedate the people by use of TV, Hollywood, computer games, porn, music, alcohol, recreational drugs, sport etc. All of these diversions ensure that the people will never rise up. While mindless mass entertainment exists, the OWO need no concentration camps to control the people.

On God.

theists reject the type of God worshipped by Christians, Muslims and Jews: the God of Being. They are right to do so. He is an anti-God, a false God, a God of delusion and lies. This God is no God at all. He is Satan pretending to be God. There is only one True God – the God of Becoming. Many atheists consider Darwin's theory of evolution the proof that God does not exist. On the contrary, it is the basis of God's existence. Modern science has led to to a complete loss of a religious sensibility in the world. Religious statements increasingly sound crazy and ridiculous. The irony is that religion is ultimately scientific. There is no contradiction between science and religion. It is not religion that is abolished by science but atheism.

The Old World Order

reply to post by maestromason


Wait I figured it out...

See, everyone has a boss. All the way to the tippy top of the pyramid
Except you.
In all of your affluence you failed to experience let alone see the cage that most of us are in, and instead view the world as too chaotic and dynamic for a few men to control.
Maybe you've never been on the outside looking in?
You've got all this privileged knowledge, wealth and experience just like them, but maybe you're one of the good ones; only 2 decimal points on your ledger and a bigger control complex away from the big boy stuff...

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Judging by your picture there that wouldn't be until the 5th of November. He's a tad bit early remember remember?

reply to post by Tesclo


I was thinking along the lines of year, not month or day, but... touché.

Well I think that a simple logic-exercise is in order here...IF the Illuminati are the "good" guys, then they are nowhere near as powerful as most have suspected. IF such a thing even exists, lol. Things would NOT be the way they are in the world today if there were some super-group that is hell-bent on "fixing" it.

reply to post by Planet teleX


That sounds nice and all...doing what WE want. However, if we could all just do what we want, with no order, there would be chaos. All those child molesters would just do what they want. All of the bank robbers would just do what they want. All of the rapists would just do what they want. All of the drug addicts would just do what they want.

Think about what you are saying. We need order. I'm not saying things are great how they are, because they obviously are not, but you can't just expect there to be no order and let the people just do whatever the hell they please.

By the way for anyone that hasn´t found it yet, here is the Free Ebook with the same name as the site.
(offered for free on the site, and is a really interesting read..)

I would advice you to absorb the main site info first though, as i think that is the point of it being hard to find.

www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/userimages/the_armageddon_conspiracy.pdf

Link

The Illuminati are the GOOD GUYS!

Could we really think that of guys, who have been at war with the rest of the world for the last 2000 years, who did atrocities, like during The Inquisition and who had killed millions of human beings and enslaved the entire population of the world...

Well Imo, Rome ( The illuminati ) are Tyrants.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by BeforeTheHangmansNoose
Evil is ALWAYS done behind closed doors.

Not always. It's often done in plain sight as well. For that matter, Good is often done behind closed doors as well. So I'm not sure what your point is.

As JFK stated (before he was murdered):

"We decided long ago, the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment, far outweigh the dangers of those, cited to justify them.

Oh good, for a minute I thought he may have stated that AFTER he was murdered. Thanks for clearing that up. You do realize, though, that he said that two and a half years before he was killed? Do you think there was a connection? Were the people pulling the strings that inept that it took them 31 months to pull it off after he pissed in their Cheerios?

I cannot even comprehend the flawed logic of such a scenario.

Right back atcha.

edit on 2012.1.11 by JoshNorton because: (no reason given)

I'm glad ATS hasn't drained your sense of humor.

My reference to JFK's speech was aimed at the fact it was done in his later years before his death, just poorly worded.

Evil is done under the affect of an illusion. The average person is not evil, but if they cannot see, or are being lied to bye authority, it can be done out in the open, but the fact is you don't have world leaders openly discussing how to get more oil or power by sacrificing human life.

The extent of ones cynicism never fails to alarm me, especially in the year 2012 when people still feel the need to negatively lash out at ones comments.

Wait, it is 2012 isn't it?

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
Well I think that a simple logic-exercise is in order here...IF the Illuminati are the "good" guys, then they are nowhere near as powerful as most have suspected. IF such a thing even exists, lol. Things would NOT be the way they are in the world today if there were some super-group that is hell-bent on "fixing" it.

I think you hit the nail right on the head there.

They are certainly not all powerful, they are a minority group, with a very important message.

When people understand this message, they have something to offer (their big secret) to humanity, as well. But they will not give up this secret until the people are ready, until the world is ready.

That is all.