Psychic's predictions for 2012 -- From 30 years ago. [CONFIRMED HOAX]

Don't know if this is legit or not, but note the distortion lines along the bottom, indicating this came from analog video. Plus are those corduroy slacks? lol

So it has officially been binned as a hoax?
The more i see it, the more i believe it, or hope to be real at least :p

Originally posted by AJ1123TKE
Couple of things i noticed with this....

First off...

LIGHTING REFLECTION IN HIS GLASSES

I have worked in TV/Flim for the past decade, and while not positive, i'm pretty sure that the square light (known as a soft box) didn't exist in 1980. If there are any lighting historians, i'd be curious to see their take


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Secondly...

VIDEO FILTERS

Check out this video... my friend produced this for MTV 2 years ago with modern, high end gear -- but by laying off to VHS tape, using magnets to distort the quality, and then re-digitizing, you get a VERY 80's effect. It's very easy to distort digital footage to artificially age it

LOOK AT THIS EXAMPLE

edit on 1/10/2012 by AJ1123TKE because: link error

You beat me to it, well done. There are a lot of reflections in his glasses, one big light box and what looks like two smaller lights. when watching full screen at 1080p you can definitely see things a little clearer.

I'm only a couple pages into the topic at the moment so forgive me if I'm just repeating what others have said.

It's an interesting video though, I want to know what the 'event' was that caused him to leave France, maybe researching what the event was would give us more information on who he is (if it hasn't already been debunked yet).


Darn I was too slow, it's a hoax people

reply to post by Numino

GREAT POST NUMINO I believe him who cares when it was made and in what country and what year, people are so naive to think that they are the only humans in the universe, and it scares them to think about anything other than what they have been taught, all lies of course!!!

he does not say that aliens are going to kill us all, we all know that aliens are coming to save us, and apparently the illuminati have depicted a picture of a human being standing next to a very tall alien on the 1,000 franc note.

there will be a great flood like that of the Noah flood, but then in 2013 they say a huge flare will fry the earth, well I certainly don't want to be around when that happens, so this flare will dry up all the water then earth will be repopulated like it has been over and over again, and ancient artifacts seem to prove this evidence.

Quite frankly I am looking forward to the end of this awful world of disease, war, and poverty and all the other *hit in it too, it will be a wonderful experience, no addictions, no disease healthy bodies and all that learning to do with the rest of our brain that is not in use, look forward to it folks, enjoy the rest of the time you are here there is nothing to fear whatsover.

is this for real??

I'm pretty convinced it is a hoax, but I can't seem to work out what the evidence found was which proves this?

Could anyone spell it out clearly for me (I'm an idiot, sorry! )

I like to try to pin down exactly what the evidence was because this is all over the net, and when I run into someone else trying to show it to me, I'd like to have a clear explanation to point out if one exists.

reply to post by CheekyRob


Since they are so close together they can be fluorescent lights. I was wondering if soft boxes were around in 1980 but it is hard to tell if they are soft boxes or fluorescent lights. If that is the case the video can still be real. I dont see what the big deal is if it is real.

What could have happened was at the time it was made someone decided not to air it and it was stored and someone found it. IF that was the case it is unlikely it would have just ended up on youtube, someone would want to take credit for finding it.

That last video someone showed just doesnt look as original as this one. This, to me, looks like an expensive analog camera from the 80s.

I just dont think this video can be debunked by looking at it alone.

It is possible to upload a video to youtube from the 80s in 1080p resolution.

i will give an example-www.youtube.com...

Uploader even tells you how its done.

Just involves a little bit of filtering and tweaking on the uploaders part.

Dont want to step on your toes SO,please correct me if i missed something.

Regards to all

reply to post by Pinke Just not so my friend. When it comes to translation and emulation, each environment needs to see what is expected in that realm, it is like nothing was converted . To the target source, it is like "so show me what I am expecting to see, otherwise I will give you a screen full of garble"

It would really help if you actually put some technical language when you're posting. IE the above means nothing to me. Now if you said telecining with a 2:2 pulldown (you've referred to TKing earlier in this thread) I'd have an idea of what you're talking about. I get what you're trying to say I think, but yes it takes my head bending around a few times. By all means follow up with the 'simpler' explanation or wikipedia article, but start with the proper one?

You just need to be in the industry to understand that emulation is a simple process," just produce the information you are translating into the format that I have been built to display, and no problem."

I suspect this is likely intended to be delibrately patronizing? Which is frankly what I was stating irritates me before ... I'm not going to say much else about it apart from there are DOPs that have no idea what a track matte is, and there's this entire branch of media that doesn't see a frame of a project till hits DI and thinks a telecine is a type of phone call/office. Is there a 'you're in the industry when ...' questionaire???

Conversion isn't complex, no, but it isn't lossless either (you describe "it is like nothing was converted"). Unless you have an easy method which can perfectly upscale a 320 - 720 interlaced video into perfect 2-4k progressive without any damage/showing up flaws.

I've maybe misunderstood slightly what you've been trying to describe. The way I've read your posts it sounded for a while there like you were trying to say the person took 16mm footage and digitized it to 1080p producing video style artifacts. Which wouldn't happen unless they dumped it to tape first for some completely unknown reason.

I take it what you're actually getting at is that the original was 16mm and bumped to tape 20/30 years ago, then run through a hardware conversion to produce what we've got now. In many cases though, that would still end up interlaced and it's still a confusion as to why it turned into 1080p from there, but lets just say that someone made that choice, and the deinterlacing process was barely noticeable (and even prosumer kit does this quite well these days) ...

You're still looking at the equivolent of the virgin birth. A video comes from nowhere, with no introduction, no description of where it came from etc ... I believe this is because if the person said ... I found this old digibeta tape, and I did X and Y to it and got Z there would be something to follow up. It would be linked to either physical people or a digital process that could be scrutinized. Even if they have filmed it with digibeta for example, and bumped it to 1080p to make skeptics look bad it's still suspect.

It's just like a magic trick ... give the audience just enough information to hook them and let them assume the rest then agree with which ever outcome gets the most attention/seems the most beneficial.

We've seen it before how many dozen times on ATS?

Anyway, to be honest I don't really want to have a text book sized technical sparring competition regarding this one. You're welcome to U2U if there's anything else that needs to be said. Anything else I firmly believe is just giving the creators of said video exactly what they want.

Originally posted by FeatheredSerpent
Just involves a little bit of filtering and tweaking on the uploaders part.

Quotes from your video serpent (www.youtube.com...):

These old videos are really a pain in the neck! So much noise, dirt, grain, crap, etc., that you just want to scream. All the early Icehouse videos are afflicted with this condition and this one was no exception.

Before even trying to bring this to HD resolution the dirt and crap from the image had to be removed. This took hours to work out because there was a lot of noise. It took 2 passes using different filter combinations to kill off 95 percent of the crap obscuring the image.

It's not impossible to upscale something at all and make it look good, or even fix an old video. (See restorations of Casablanca and various other movies which required artists to do the lifting) The original poster of the video doesn't mention why the footage is upscaled, or any other efforts made.

reply to post by Pinke


I will not pretend i know anything about this sort of stuff,but i still find this whole thing very interesting.

Thankyou for your reply,think i'll leave this side of it to those who know what there talking about.

My apologies SO.

Regards to all

reply to post by phantomjack


Things were actually calming down between the US and Russia in the 80's. We were entering a new era of trust. I remember this. I was already an adult in the 80's. I was born in 1957.

I just need to point out that if the clip was filmed at that time, they would probable be using Betamax and not some crap VHS

Originally posted by FeatheredSerpent
It is possible to upload a video to youtube from the 80s in 1080p resolution.

That video has the "black bands" to the left and right, denoting that when uploaded, the digital video had a 16:9 aspect ratio. The automated YouTube/Google compression and conversion code uses the aspect ratio to determine if 1080 and 720 versions should be available. As the video in this opening post also has.

When you inspect this "Psychic's" video closely in 1080p, the "noise" and "VHS tracking head distortion" effects (the lines at top and bottom, which are not as big as they should be to be genuine) often intrude on the "black bands" to left and right. Indicating the video editor added the effects after overlaying those bands on the original video.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Nice work...while most felt that the video didn't feel right, you did the leg work and proved it..
But yet it got 71 flags...that's depressing

reply to post by CheekyRob


I hope my comment do not run off topic, but if this is a hoax, I think we need to find what's the agenda behind this.
Maybe even an alien faction not to strong want to inflige fear to us to lessen our resistence... so when they come we give them the planet keys without resistence (their hope).

reply to post by Power_Semi


i actually want it to happen so people can shut up about they're the only ones in the universe

Take a look at this

Link-www.youtube.com...

supposed clip from original,This is getting odd.

ETA-i have messaged the uploader waiting on response.

Looking through the uploaders videos he also uploaded this today

Link-www.youtube.com...

Seems odd to me,maybe hes taking the mickey

Regards to all

reply to post by marvinthemartian

My native language is French. The translation is exact. But I don't buy it, everything screams fake about this video. Clock is not working, he is wearing what seems to be a wig, etc.

Look at the quality of this one (filmed between 1975 and 1981):

Wikipedia: Koyaanisqatsi#Filming

Production began in 1975 in St. Louis, Missouri.[7] 16 mm film was used due to budget constraints, despite the preference to shoot with 35 mm film.

Hope, this set's a end to the "this quality is impossible for 1980"-posts