I now believe in the fluoride conspiracy.

reply to post by minor007


So you're telling me that the government is good and GM's are good and fluoride is good AND Alex and Dr. Connet are liars?

no sir we have enough evidence to prove that

A) the Nazis did use this in their death camps

B) the government will not admit why this is being forced on everyone

C) Ron Paul will make a difference...


I read the MSDS and it clearly states that fluoride does not break down in water

Originally posted by CrazyRaccoon
reply to post by minor007

 

So you're telling me that the government is good and GM's are good and fluoride is good AND Alex and Dr. Connet are liars?

no sir we have enough evidence to prove that

A) the Nazis did use this in their death camps

B) the government will not admit why this is being forced on everyone

C) Ron Paul will make a difference...


I read the MSDS and it clearly states that fluoride does not break down in water

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aaah the reasoning of pure ignorance

nazis never did
it was health officials and dentists who pushed forward for fluoridating the water not the government
Who is ron paul and do i give a crap ?

reply to post by minor007


You don't know Ron Paul? and you are calling me ignorant without backing up your claim to disprove fluoride?

Ron Paul...the last hope for America.

haha no sir, you are the face of true ignorance

reply to post by minor007


minor007 commented:
"lol havent laughed so much for ages about that line regarding the aluminium industry. With that one line shows your true ignorance. Aluminium industry is the largest user of fluorides IT dosent have any flouride waste whatsoever as they use flouride in the smelting process."

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The bogus knowledge lacking comment was rebutted with:

I guess some don't know the ALCOA history very well, or even bothered to see their ad for selling wonderful pure sodium fluoride, that was not so pure:

www.lewrockwell.com...

The ad photo:

www.lewrockwell.com...

reply to post by MagnumOpus


THANK YOU.

"In conclusion, the human pineal gland contains the highest concentration of fluoride in the body. Fluoride is associated with depressed pineal melatonin synthesis by prepubertal gerbils and an accelerated onset of sexual maturation in the female gerbil. The results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty. Whether or not fluoride interferes with pineal function in humans requires further investigation."

www.fluoridealert.org...

May be a little off topic but beware, we are all being diverted from the truth and from true human nature. Why haven't we class action'd this yet?

reply to post by MagnumOpus


MASSIVE FAIL

In the 40s or 50s ALcoa the american aluminium corporation brought a chemical plant to manufacturer fluoride for the smeelting process

reply to post by minor007


Keep drinking buddy, the government loves your healthy teeth.

Originally posted by minor007
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

MASSIVE FAIL

In the 40s or 50s ALcoa the american aluminium corporation brought a chemical plant to manufacturer fluoride for the smeelting process

edit on 11-1-2012 by minor007 because: (no reason given)

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We seem to have found that you know little about the fluoride issues. You have little oz. snippets, that go against the tonage of modern scientific literature: members.iimetro.com.au...

You seem to have a fluoride religion that blunders about but can't seem to do well against science. There is more than enough documentation that speak to fluoride use and transport for the purpose of prison camps.



The original ALCOA process used Cryolite (Na3AlF6, sodium hexafluoroaluminate)

Anyone that knows the aluminum process knows it used cryolite as part of the reduction process because the aluminum oxide melting point is too high. So, they make a molten bath of cryolite and dump in the Al oxide and make the metal from the oxide. Cryolite was available in areas naturally, but these were depleted in the latter 1980s. All the ALCOA sodium fluoride came from this cryolite linked process. This process could also supply the sodium fluoride for mass water fluoridation.

Then they started using fluorite in the process or calcium fluoride.

ALCOA goes through periods of telling lies on selling NaF, then admits they do:

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www.fluoride-history.de...

Whatever ALCOA´s policy may have been when this denial was published, it sure changed from time to time (12):

"Your reference to an advertisement of January 1950 indicates that you are delving considerably into past history on a subject that is moving rather rapidly. ALCOA´s policy may change from time to time; for a number of years we have sold sodium fluoride exclusively through distributors. We are now selling direct and we may sell to municipalities or anyone who wants to buy sodium fluoride. We manufacture sodium fluoride for sale. Anyone who wants to use it can buy it from us (or from a number of other sources), providing our production facilities enable us to supply it and our prices enable us to secure the business."

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So, now you admit ALCOA sells Sodium Fluoride when faced with their ads and tons of documentation that says they did.

WoW.

But that's the thing OP.

Fluoride IS good for you except in large doses, just like with everything else.

They put it in water because we weren't getting enough on our own but what we need is regulation to stop it being pumped in dangerously high amounts.

reply to post by curious7


Dude you're thinking of calcium fluoride...which is ACTUALLY good for you... (some of it)

Sodium fluoride is a by product and does not occur naturally

Originally posted by minor007
it was health officials and dentists who pushed forward for fluoridating the water not the government

This.

It's sad that a lot of people on ATS who claim to be intelligent always go with their fantasies rather than the truth even though they claim to want the truth.

More like they accept the truth but not if it doesn't fit their skewed version of how the world works.

I do think everyone should pay attention to the food load of fluoride, which contributes a lot.

So much so, that if one tallys up all the varied sources for fluoride entering the body it is way over that acclaimed safe level in the water supplies. So, why in the world would anyone like to make matters worse for everyone by adding more to the extent many are up around 10 times that dose in the water system. And adding it to the water adds things like lead and it is expensive to add. Common sense says stop adding fluoride to the water, save money, and stop overdosing the population.

Depending on what you eat and drink, some folks are way over the limit. Eat some processed Chicken, drink lots of tea, drinking lots of water, eating things where the water boils off leaving concentrated fluoride in the final product.

I think one gets the picture-----you are being mislead -- big time.

I agree that Fluoride is not for everyone nor is the heavy metals and other things in our water.
On Page one I think a poster mentioned Reverse Osmosis, that is what you want.
We put in a 5 stage system last year and the water is lip smacking delicious and extremely pure.
We bought a tester with the system and the tester is very very accurate.
Basic readings are as follows,
Our tap water reads at 125 ppm
Bottled water (3 brands) average about 40 ppm
Our RO water reads on average about 5ppm

Get a Reverse Osmosis system and don't look back.
The five stage systems remove almost 100% of the Fluoride and the same for the heavy metals.
Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Iwinder


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RO is good for drinking water. But did you put one in for the showers, as the fluoride tends to get into the skin pathway and water vapor pathways while showering or bathing.

How do you remove the fluoride from processed foods?


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Also, for those with a bit of science background, here is the Hall–Héroult (which made ALCOA work) process via which the Al companies made NaF, and why it is considered part of the waste stream. The HF emissions from the process are extremely damaging to the environment and workers and has to be captured or neutralized with the sodium:

en.wikipedia.org...

The electrolysis process produces exhaust which escapes into the fume hood and is evacuated. The exhaust is primarily CO2 produced from the anode consumption and hydrogen fluoride (HF) from the cryolite and flux. HF is a highly corrosive and toxic gas, even etching glass surfaces. The gases are either treated or vented into the atmosphere; the former involving neutralization of the HF to its sodium salt, sodium fluoride. The particulates are also captured and reused using electrostatic or bag filters. The remaining CO2 is usually vented into the atmosphere.

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www.greenfacts.org...

(Na3AlF6). Synthetic cryolite is a white crystalline powder manufactured from hydrofluoric acid, sodium carbonate, and aluminium. Synthetic cryolite is used chiefly as a flux in the electrolytic production of aluminum as it effectively lowers down the melting point of alumina. It is used in the glass and enamel industries, in bonded abrasives as a filler, in making salts of sodium and aluminum and porcelaneous glass and in the manufacture of insecticides. Cryolite is a relatively safe fruit and vegetable insecticide. The fluoride ion inhibits many enzymes that contain iron, calcium, and magnesium.



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reply to post by MagnumOpus


Yeah right so what is apatite used for...

The vast majority of fluoridation plants in the UK and America use hexafluorosilicic acid, which is a liquid, as the fluoridating agent.Fluoride is found in a solid form in minerals such as fluorspar, cryolite and apatite Fluorspar (also called fluorite) and is found in most parts of the world. It is a mineral containing between 30 to 98 percent calcium fluoride. Cryolite is a compound of aluminium, sodium, and fluoride. Because of its low melting point, it is preferred for industrial use, but is not a major source of fluoride for water fluoridation. Apatite is a deposit of a mixture of calcium compounds, including calcium phosphates, calcium fluorides, and calcium carbonates. Apatite contains between 3 to 7 percent fluoride and is the main source of fluorides used in water fluoridation.

To obtain hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6):
• The fluoride-containing rock is ground up and treated with sulphuric acid producing hydrofluoric acid gas (HF);

• The HF gas then begins a purification process involving washing, cooling, condensation, and finally distillation (rectification);

• The HF is then reacted with silica to produce hexafluorosilicic acid with a concentration of 37 to 42 per cent. By neutralising hexafluorosilicic acid with sodium carbonate and precipitating the solid matter, manufacturers can readily convert liquid hexafluorosilicic acid into the powder disodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6).

In the UK and America and Europe the water companies are only allowed to use
Hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) also known as fluorosilicic acid
and Disodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) also known as sodium fluorosilicate.

You appear to be way to deceptive on the issue of fluoride toxic effects. The agriculture industry likes phosphates, but when mined naturally they contain way too much fluoride content and it kills the plants or damages their growth. It can't be used as mined.

So, they cook the mined phosphate at high temp to drive off the fluoride content and capture it in the scrubber systems and then make the silicate fluoride. It gets expensive to store that much toxic poison.

Feel free to drink all the poison driven off from the fetilizer business that kill and damage plants that you can hold, but don't suggest the rest of the world drink the poison as they can read and most of the intelligent countries have seen the disaster of fluoride in the environment and reject fluoridation as insanity.


Since they don't drive off all the fluoride content in the phosphates, the phosphate becomes a source for adding more fluoride into the agricultural food chain.


You appear to have omitted telling the public here all the truths on phosphate mining and uses and how it worsens the issues of fluoride uptake into the human food and water chain.

Why do you seem to insist on poisoning your fellow man?

Why is it that Protestant English uses very little fluoridation, but didn't mind helping the Irish Catholics to drink up.

If you like drinking a slow cumulative poison, then you do so with you own private source of poison that isn't forced to be in the food and water chain by faked up pseudo science.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

The agriculture industry likes phosphates, but when mined naturally they contain way too much fluoride content and it kills the plants or damages their growth. It can't be used as mined.

nice spin on the plainly obvious

So, they cook the mined phosphate at high temp to drive off the fluoride content and capture it in the scrubber systems and then make the silicate fluoride. It gets expensive to store that much toxic poison.

who cooks the phosphate? oh you mean the independant industries who make money suppling phosphates for agriculture and selling the fluoride in liquid or powder form to water companies

Feel free to drink all the poison driven off from the fetilizer business that kill and damage plants that you can hold, but don't suggest the rest of the world drink the poison as they can read and most of the intelligent countries have seen the disaster of fluoride in the environment and reject fluoridation as insanity.

Yeah yeah and i suppose i should hold my breath when i pop to the seaside as well. As the worlds oceans produce the same gas HF.
Fluoride is held naturally in the enviornment as it comes in 3 forms apatite cyrolite and fluorspar. So i cant see it havent an effect on the enviornment as you claim. It is true that when in concentrate form fluoride has an effect on health but so can other minerals/elements. However because it is toxic and poisonous in concentrate form does not mean it is bad for you in small quantities. How else are you going to move commodities around the planet if not in concentrate form.

Since they don't drive off all the fluoride content in the phosphates, the phosphate becomes a source for adding more fluoride into the agricultural food chain

REALLY? phosphates becomes a source for adding more fluoride into the enviornment
THe phospahte has very little or no fluoride as the process involves making fluorine into a gas.

reply to post by minor007


Okay this is not Y/A this is a conspiracy website...where we discuss NOT contradict with out evidence to debunk

you understand? give me a source to debunk fluoride being toxic.

reply to post by CrazyRaccoon

I didnt say fluoride wasnt toxic. It is toxic in concentrate form. as i said many other chemicals are also toxic when moved around in concentrate form thats why they have warnings signs displaying the dangers. That does not mean however it is toxic when given the proper dosage.