Am I wrong for Asking? In the Beginning there was God, but How did God get to that beginning?

I am not sure if this subject has ever been discussed on ATS, but I am a new member, and It is on my list of things I want to just get off my chest and discuss with others. You see I am a Christain, and it took me a long time to come to terms with Religion and what path I was going to take, but after some very hard times (which I don't need to talk about right now) I found God.
Just to be more specific, I belong to the Church of God. Yes the Christains that sing, shout, and dance for the Lord. I believe in the slaying of the Holy Spirit, for I have experienced it, and I want to believe in the speaking in tounges part, but I have yet to experience that. I am also what my boyfriend calls a Liberal Christain. ha ha Because I believe in womens's rights, and I believe sex before marriage is OK, and I believe people can love who they want, and I believe in Aliens and life on other planets, AND I BELIEVE I WILL NOT GO TO HELL for BELIEVEING THIS or acting upon any of them and I believe no one else will either. I could go on but I am getting off my thread subject.
Just wanted to give you some background, but back on Subject. To Qoute Genesis 1:1; "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. 1:2; And earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." And we all know what comes next, the light and so on. But how did God come to this beginning. My friend and I were discussing this at work tonight and he said that every preacher he has ask this too has told him, God has always been and will always be. I myself have ask this question to many fellow Christains and Preacher's and kinda been frowned upon by them, and told the same thing with the addition that I have to have faith. Trust me I have FAITH WAY MORE THN THE SIZE OF A MUSTARD SEED, But can I not wonder about this. God gave me a brain and made me, so does he not already know I am going to wonder how He Came to be.
Please ATS Members help me. Share your thoughts and opinions about what you think. Have you ever wondered about this, and why do my fellow christains make me feel like I am sinning when I ask questions about this?? Am I wrong for asking this?

reply to post by Ops4Ops


I hate to tell you something you should be able to figure out for yourself, but all religions is just a brainwashing tool, and those christian friends you have are just brainwashed puppets probably too far gone to break free.

Whenever you have a question that your doctrine forbids you to ask, that is a good sign you should choose another doctrine.

Choose science, where no question goes unanswered, and you don´t have to accept anything that is not provable.

You can still celebrate x-mas if you want

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Dear Ops4Ops,

To Qoute Genesis 1:1; "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. 1:2; And earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." And we all know what comes next, the light and so on. But how did God come to this beginning.

The reference is not about the beginning of God, it is a reference to the beginning of people, of humanity and our world and experience. The New Testament discusses God when it says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The beginning of God was his self awareness beyond being alone in the universe, after that he created a beginning for us. My answer is that as God began creating, he grew also. Peace.

The world in it's current form is going to tell you that having faith is wrong and that you are stupid and gullible for believing whatever it is you believe in.

That's fine - The fact is that nobody, regardless of how mocking their tone or how intelligent they believe they are truly know or understand the entire picture.

The answer to your question according to theology is that God has always been. We as humans have a hard time comprehending infinity or something with no beginning or end.

Nobody here is going to be able to give you the answers you want if you are truly interested in an answer.

EDIT: BTW there's nothing wrong with asking questions - it's a symptom of a healthy mind

anti christian posters on here will tell you that God not having a beginning doesn't make sense and is impossible, but they are foolish, does is make any more sense to say a random explosion happened (who cares what caused it) and that ended up creating life (let alone intelligent life) on our planet.

My theory is that god's been around so long that he can't remember his own beginning. That's why it says that he has neither beginning nor end. From our point of view, it would be nearly impossible to understand a state of simply being.

Originally posted by NeoVain
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I hate to tell you something you should be able to figure out for yourself, but all religions is just a brainwashing tool, and those christian friends you have are just brainwashed puppets probably too far gone to break free.

Whenever you have a question that your doctrine forbids you to ask, that is a good sign you should choose another doctrine.

Choose science, where no question goes unanswered, and you don´t have to accept anything that is not provable.

You can still celebrate x-mas if you want

I agree with the part about religion, but not the part about science.

Science forbids all KINDS of questions. Not in the strictest sense, but you will be ridiculed for asking questions, then ostracized by the scientific community if you pursue those questions - even if you are right. In some cases, *especially* if you are right.

There are too many people which make too much money off the status quo, and if you interfere with their money, status and power by providing accurate information, then it doesn't matter how true your questions/information are.

But yes, if a religion forbids you asking questions because it's "sacrilege" or makes you a "heretic" then you can rest assured its because they don't have the answers, and they are always afraid if you go visit another church you might like their answers better.

Don't forget "heretic" is the old "terrorist." Meaning they call you that if you question their books, teachings, rulers or the way in which they rule so they can vanish you to stop your ideas from reaching others. Governments and religions both despise a thinking populace!

Originally posted by iSHRED
anti christian posters on here will tell you that God not having a beginning doesn't make sense and is impossible, but they are foolish, does is make any more sense to say a random explosion happened (who cares what caused it) and that ended up creating life (let alone intelligent life) on our planet.

Thanks for the comment, I appreciate everyone's opinions whom have commented so far. The comment above is absolutely Brillant! Keep em coming all!

I like AQuestion's idea that the Bible is referring to the beginning of humanity. Remember, "beginning" is a time word. We can only know time by something changing; sand through a glass, the earth going around the sun, the decay of a radioactive isotope, something has to change for there to be any sense of time.

Before there was anything to change, there was God. Until He created something, nothing could change, therefore no time existed. The beginning of time was when He made the first thing, but He existed before the first thing did.

Regardless of God's beginning. I am pretty sure that any reference in the bible to "the beginning". Is actually a reference to Earths beginning.

That being said I am sure you would like theories on god's beginning. Personally I think we need more of a grasp on time itself to even theorize. Also space. There would be limitless ideas. All I think you are far from sinful in thinking about. Reality is that all man mainly concerns themselves on is our beginning and that is all your really ever going to get history and elaborate answers to.

God could be just like you and me, living in a time stream (as such) that allows him to grasp everything about our existence quite easily. A day in gods life is 100 years of ours I believe?? He could have parents himself.

His existence is just greater than ours. Doesn't mean it might not be similar.

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Anywhere we look nowadays, as far as the eye can see, there is proof of forever. We try to interpret that, put it into words. How do you put infinity into words? On this tiny dust speck in one remote corner of just one of an infinite number of galaxies, how can we propose to put limits on what we see here? This is what's called the Hubble Deep Field. If you know of this picture, then you know that we cannot possibly define what "real" is from our tiny little perspective. So don't try to define it or capture it or write it down or analyze it. Just wonder about it and revel in it's majesty.

Wonder is a form of worship you know. If we wonder enough we will be given answers to these and all our questions... in time. Not because I say so, because it is so. Everyone has an antenna straight to heaven, as it were. We do best to seek the Kingdom within, not from others. Then we become a shining star, able to guide others to their own fountain of wisdom.


no beginning no end

Originally posted by intrptr
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Anywhere we look nowadays, as far as the eye can see, there is proof of forever. We try to interpret that, put it into words. How do you put infinity into words? On this tiny dust speck in one remote corner of just one of an infinite number of galaxies, how can we propose to put limits on what we see here? This is what's called the Hubble Deep Field. If you know of this picture, then you know that we cannot possibly define what "real" is from our tiny little perspective. So don't try to define it or capture it or write it down or analyze it. Just wonder about it and revel in it's majesty.

no beginning no end

I know I might get made fun of for saying this, but I haven't seen that picture, and when I clicked on it and just read and looked and learned, I cried. Thank you so much and I know I said the one post above was brillant, but the last few posts and then this picture really have touched me on an emotional level. I know I sound like a dork, but ATS and you guys are really helping me. I don't know how to friend people, but if I could figure out how too I would friend many of you whom have commented. Intrptr, would really like to talk the universe with you sometime. (I don't think I can send messages yet) Thanks again everyone and God Bless. Any other comments always welcome!

This all boils down to the second law of thermodynamics. Essentially the second law is a statement regarding the nature of cause and effect. Every effect has a cause; that cause must be greater than the effect that it produces.

The problem with this law is that it also states that all things move intrinsically from order to chaos, which means that the law shows that all things are winding down (that is, ruled by entropy).

Somewhere in this system, there must be a first cause... a cause that, itself, was not caused by anything, nor did it have a beginning, nor does it have an end.

That First Cause... is God.
or, more correctly, God is the First Cause: the creator of "everything that is seen and unseen". So God has neither beginning nor end; He is, as the Bible states, the "Ancient of Days", the One who "is, who was, and will be".

He is eternal.

Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear Ops4Ops,

To Qoute Genesis 1:1; "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. 1:2; And earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." And we all know what comes next, the light and so on. But how did God come to this beginning.

The reference is not about the beginning of God, it is a reference to the beginning of people, of humanity and our world and experience. The New Testament discusses God when it says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The beginning of God was his self awareness beyond being alone in the universe, after that he created a beginning for us. My answer is that as God began creating, he grew also. Peace.

Ok that's an interesting response which leads me to wonder, what was god doing before he became aware of himself? Was he just being a huge black void that is the space of universe? How long did he do that?

Originally posted by intrptr
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Anywhere we look nowadays, as far as the eye can see, there is proof of forever. We try to interpret that, put it into words. How do you put infinity into words? On this tiny dust speck in one remote corner of just one of an infinite number of galaxies, how can we propose to put limits on what we see here? This is what's called the Hubble Deep Field. If you know of this picture, then you know that we cannot possibly define what "real" is from our tiny little perspective. So don't try to define it or capture it or write it down or analyze it. Just wonder about it and revel in it's majesty.

Wonder is a form of worship you know. If we wonder enough we will be given answers to these and all our questions... in time. Not because I say so, because it is so. Everyone has an antenna straight to heaven, as it were. We do best to seek the Kingdom within, not from others. Then we become a shining star, able to guide others to their own fountain of wisdom.

no beginning no end

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Thank you for the tour LightWarrior11. Do you mind if I present the video here for others, so they don't miss it?
Thanks:

No problem, im posting from my cell so it's a bit of a deal to embed. I actually had more to say in response to the link posted but it got erased. :/

Hope y'all enoy the vid, it's one of my fav's.

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Dear LightWarrior11,

I did not claim to have all answers. I will ask you one question.

Ok that's an interesting response which leads me to wonder, what was god doing before he became aware of himself? Was he just being a huge black void that is the space of universe? How long did he do that?

You exist or you do not. What were you thinking the moment before you became self aware, or are you not self aware and does it matter if you are now?

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But how did God come to this beginning.

I don't think this is something we are meant to wonder about, as far as what the religious authorities would like for us to do, since that is not the lot of the common man to speculate on and we do have these specialists in such matters who are paid salaries to consider such questions and we are to wait on them to make a declaration of their findings, if and when they ever come to any conclusion.
The important thing is to believe what we have been already told, which is the universe on its own is rather malevolent from our perspective and we needed someone like God to create a habitable bubble for us to live in, and He did, so we should be grateful and think about that once a week and bring a present (preferably in monetarily exchangeable denominations) to offer the caretakers of that sacred knowledge.

I was being a little sarcastic in my last post.
I think we should wonder where God came from though that does not lead to a completely satisfactory answer because we would need God to tell us exactly how it came about, himself.
I don't think people in positions of authority in the religious hierarchy want to discuss it because it is not in their interest to possibly diminish the stature of God that has been built up over thousands of years.
The incomplete answer from a human viewpoint would be that whatever created the universe also created the gods. This creative mind, if you will, knew it had so much power to do a specific amount of creating and so included into this creation, certain mitigating aspects to make up for apparent inevitable deficiencies within the finished product.