Anyone else bothered by the way most US citizens react to tyranny?

I found to believe the problem isn't that the people are too lax but the real root of the problem is that there are too many countries, states and individuals that are way too comfortable being fed by the hand that feeds and not stepping up and taking responsibilities for their actions! The worst part is how it's a shame that the human race is stuck between personal expansion and a simple ego complex. Knowledge breeds wisdom I suppose

Iver heard alot of talk about FEMA camps, I think its a load of BS, id like to see pictures of these supposed FEMA camps, or some hard evidence that they exsist in every state. Ive seen alot of the tabloid talk about the goverment ordering body bags, FEMA rail cars etc. So where are they??

I think people jump the gun when they say TPTB will imprison us all for total control, i highly doubt that. Thats asking for civil war, global unrest and global intervention. How would they benefit from these camps...no different than they benefit from normal prisons, a bunch of angry people who want nothing more than to get out, especially if they are wrongfully there. It just dont make sence. These camps could only serve a true purpose if a outbreak of some kind happened, or if we were invaded and our cities were geting laid to rubble.

That being said I know the American goverment has looked at ways in bending our constitution for the benifit for TPTB and no one should be naive to the fact that corruption, and the tug of war for global power and more closely connected than most people think. Just becuase there are other countries out there does not mean that they are sovereign.

reply to post by ItanimuliiluminatI


I am bothered by the fact that we live in the 21st century and people like myself haven't gotten off our butts and walked over to the greedy fools and slapped them. I'm surprised that people think we live in a free country. My explanation to a free country is this. Picture an all-risk insurance policy. On the face it means you are covered for everything! But once you read the exclusions you realize this isn't an all-risk insurance policy. This basically states I have no coverage for a million other things.

I am also upset that people are pissed off at others for exercising their right to protest. What was OWS all about? How about everything the people are sick of. The greed on wall street, Obama being in bed with bankers and passing out the people's money like it wasn't worth the paper it's not printed on, no change came after the slogan change will come, many failed wars and with the thought that many failed wars will come again, the destruction of our environment, and the list just goes on and on.

People have the audacity in saying well since they didn't pick one topic it's a failure. THERE ARE A MILLION TOPICS WE NEED TO ADDRESS!

For the record, I am not a part of the Wall Street Movement but I think it is great that they tried to exercise their right to protest. And if you don't agree that they should be protesting then you should move to Iran or Syria and join Assad and Ahmadinejad.

I know what you mean. When you try to talk about these things people look at you funny.

MoralityMatters, It is not that they refuse to think for themselves, it is that they have been trained Not to.
Here is an article on the history of the purpose and methods of education.
www.sntp.net...

Quote from said article: “In summary, the public schools have from the beginning been antagonists of liberty and the spontaneous order of liberal market society. In such an order, individuals choose their own ends and engage in peaceful means, competitive and cooperative, to achieve them. They also raise their children according to their own values and by their own judgment. In contrast, public schools have been intended to interfere with that free development and to mold youth into loyal, compliant servants of the state. Their objectives have required a rigidity and authoritarianism that is inconsistent with the needs of a growing rational being seeking knowledge about the world. Thus, the schools are a source of immense frustration for many children. It should surprise no one that those schools produce children who are passive, bored, aimless, and even worse: self-destructive and violent. The earliest critics of public schools would not have been surprised.
The founders of government-sponsored education were, until recently, rather candid about their objectives. From Sparta to Prussia to Massachusetts, the architects of public schooling believed they knew better than parents how to raise children. They presumed that the spontaneous growth of civil society was inferior to the social blueprints they had drawn up for their fellow citizens.”

Last nite I was reading Matrix III vol II. In it were 2 documents outlining the most Evil plans I have ever read. They are available on line.
One was - Cobden Club Memo.
www.iahf.com...

This document is dated 1991 and they are saying that their plans have been impeded by non-cooperation from various nations.

“The purpose of this document is to demonstrate that action delayed could well be fatal. All could be lost if mere opposition by minor races is tolerated and the unfortunate vacillations of our closest comrades is cause for our hesitations. Open declaration of intent followed by decisive force is the final solution. This must be done before any shock hits our financial markets, tarnishing our credibility and perhaps diminishing our force.”

The most shocking was Report From Iron Mountain.
There is a thread on ATS with embedded videos here;
www.abovetopsecret.com...&flagit=528496

For a summary and link to full text you can go here:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

You just smile and keep your head up. People will change as a whole when they no longer find wars desirable. Until then you're the minority.

If complete apathy is a reaction, then yes I am bothered by it.

The right of democracy is too complain.

reply to post by DeckoGecko


I stated in my thread that it is the closest thing to freedom. That is regarding for ME. Not You. Read what I stated again. You will get it. If not then you are arguing with yourself. There is no debate here. Seems like my entire post went right over your head. No hard feelings though.

Originally posted by AaronWilson
We are but at the point technology thrusts us into the heavens (unlikely due to government and military complex.) or We plunge our selves back into the stone age.

Our population is increasing at a really silly rate, our ability to produce food is tapped out. (Meaning instead of more productive farms, we just make bigger farms.) The time is right to go to war over anything really. We should be helping our fellow human beings come up to the technological and human resource level that we in rather wealthy countries enjoy.

Look at this picture. We are traveling light speed in advancement.

The entire pop of the world could live in Texas with each person getting 1/3 of an acre. So a family of 4 would have a whole acre of land to live on and produce food.

I am amused by the people who think we're making such amazing advances in technology when all the "world changing" stuff is shelved/bought off/murdered. We're making light speed adjustments in useless technology and new ways to make money with chemistry and medicine. The only technology of note in the last 50 years is the internet, and it's ability to let us realize just how screwed we really are by those at the top of the chain, in control of the media for so long.

It's a joke. Am I bothered? If I had any hope left I would be.

People are really gonna wait until it's happening to even think about things. Then they'll most likely jump to the wrong conclusions. It will be anarchy with an outside organized force that will inevitably devour the entire USA, right down to the people who think they're safe anywhere above or below ground. I think people underestimate how bad this is really coming to, hell, they can ignore the NDAA and the Patriot Act and War and on and on... so they sit there hoping they can just go about their lives unnoticed.

They noticed. They determined you weren't worthwhile, they are killing you and everyone you know is so many ways and means it staggers the mind. Yet, most people are truly convinced it's all their fault, if they didn't eat wrong, if they worked out more, if they just got a little more ahead, man it's all gonna be rosy.

2012 year of conversion through suffering for many.

reply to post by synnergy


what we can do...
Give up the consumerist lifestyle we have been brainwashed from birth to be.
Get out of debt...walk away if you have to.
Quit buying "toys" You dont need them and likely wont have them in the future.
TURN OFF THE TV!!!
Live more simply
GET OUT THE CITIES, METRO AREAS AND SUBURBS
Learn to grow a garden...get your hands into the dirt
Learn how to build....woodwork, masonry, BASICS
get some bees...some chickens, a couple goats
Learn to grow grain
Learn how to chop wood...then learn about seasoning it.
Get back to basics
Get to know your neighbors down the road...they got your back
Go to work in a trade you know nothing about...forget about whether or not it's "politically correct" or "glamorous" or high paying...learn how to prospect...mine...trap...hunt...get your hands dirty
buy solar, guns, precious metals in small currencies.
Have something useful to provide your community...welding, repairs, doctoring, something...
learn all you can about living a lifestyle that is simply self sustaining.
get some guns and go plinking...learn to use them and get familiar and comfortable with them
learn basic first aid and the natural remedies and foods in your area
make yourself useful with knowledge
be a pleasant, happy person...a person of integrity
get yourself and keep yourself in shape.

But MOST IMPORTANT
GET OUTTA THE METRO AREAS

just a few ideas to get you thinking...there are endless things we all will need to get by together

you can leave your blow dryer there...
we really dont care how groomed you are out here, as long as your clean

reply to post by Elostone


And in a world where there wasn't a real organized menace purposefully destroying the world and all the people in it, even people in log cabins on hills, even people deep in forests so deep there's no light, even in a bomb shelter 50 feet down, even those people will be dealt with. They might live "free" longer than some, but the end it inevitable...

WITHOUT RESISTANCE.

reply to post by thejlxc


Indeed, resistance...
but the first place they will (are) harassing us is in the metro areas, because they know that they will encounter less resistance there.
How many folks in the metro areas know their neighbors?
How many of them are still "asleep"?
How many of them are more interested in:

Who's gonna be disqualified from "Dancing With the Stars" next week;
The SALE at Macy's
"Her" broken nail and cant get an appointment at the Salon for 2 days...
"His" new bad@$$ GPS for the Lexus cant be installed until Monday, SHEESH!

Whereas, folks out here in the sticks are thinking about:

How much is ammo gonna cost when I can get to town next month?
Do I have enough wood to get me thru this winter?
Geez propane has gone up!
Those Elk must getting through the fence up on the back 40...I better go take the puller out there and fix that before the alfalfa comes in...
Better remind Mama to make that rhubarb pie for Thursday when John comes out to show off his his new .223

The PTB dont wanna take us on...they know that's when they will find their "resistance"


ETA: and we know the "lay of the land" per se...and our (few) LEOs are on OUR side. HUGE advantage...

reply to post by Elostone


I will speak from the heart, and what I really feel.

It will not be that easy. Unless we stop them from doing their agenda, it's lights out, and they can use drones to spray any number of lethal bugs over whole areas, to mention one of thousands of ways they have to deal with people in "rural" areas.

Hell, they want to make sure there's not anybody living in rural areas and pen up survivors in city zones. Without actual balls to the wall shooting and dying and Stopping these madmen. There is no hope. So.

If running off into a remote area to live alone while everyone else dies thinking it wont find you. You'd be wrong.

I'm just saying, the only "hope" left is worldwide rebellion and how.

Give peace a chance doesn't stop psychopaths with global killing weapons, it only takes a few thousand madmen with no care for life at all and the technology to make their genocidal dreams come true to ruin a planet, especially if the people just pretend it's not happening because they haven't heard anything, but flatly refuse to actually do any looking themselves.

It's not just americans.

Originally posted by thejlxc
reply to post by Elostone

 

There is no hope. So.

If running off into a remote area to live alone while everyone else dies thinking it wont find you. You'd be wrong.

It saddens me that you feel that all this is hopeless. I know in my heart that there is hope.

One of our great statesmen (I forget who, I think Jefferson?) said in order to prevent Tyranny, a revolution must occur every generation...or something to that effect.
I guess we are long overdue, eh?

Also, personally, I did not "run off" to a remote area to live alone. It just sort of happened.
I hate cities and all the craziness that they entail.(I just got back from a 2 day supply run to Salt Lake City of Hell) and I feel blessed and fortunate to be out here, with all these good people.
No offense intended to my fellow ATS family that must suffer SLC every day. I couldn't WAIT to get outta there!

See, the problem with America is they are so brainwashed and coddled into believing everything is honky dory in their own little world, they fail to see problems as they see fit.

A tragic thing happens, two things occur. If it's in another country="Oh well, that's too bad, did you see what *insert random sports icon here* did on the field yesterday?"

If it's in America?= "BOMB THE CHRIST OUT OF THEM!"

My own people are beginning to irritate me... I'm American and I can say that I've lost faith in American Common sense and common knowledge...

The "Well at least it's not as bad as.." responses I've seen/gotten from others regarding all kinds of topics and discussions has been a subject that drives me from disgust to the ever-increasing "lose-all-hope-and-withdraw-from-everyone/everything" attitude I've been developing over the years.

This kind of Comparative Rationalization is so rampant in everyone and I don't see how any forward accomplishments can occur when everybody has this attitude.

And I don't understand it. Is it Acceptance? Apathy? Pure Submission? Maybe it's just a way to cling to whatever we have now. Maybe it's an attempt to be content or even "happy with what we have".

It's everywhere. In almost every topic. For instance: Bring up wage disparity. Sooner or later, it will be noted how much we have compared to a 3rd world country. Any Loss of Rights discussion will get a comparison to how good we have it.

Is this just human nature? I'm not claiming exemption. I compare my existence to those with, say, conjoined heads to feel better. Maybe that's different, maybe not, but the kind of comparative reaction I'm talking about seems much more resigned. It's to the point I don't even want to bring things up to others anymore.

I also have to wonder if people in general are being manipulated to react this way. Is it innate or intended? Or maybe it's just the anti-depressants and other pharmas that everyone seems to be on.

And I truly feel that, if as people, we can't get beyond this "not as bad as it could be" disposition, we'll never get anywhere. And in fact, end up with something quite the opposite.

Originally posted by mugger
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

I can understand that people would think that complaints about the Patriot Act and NDAA are alarmist -- nothing really that draconian has affected us.

Please explain that. It bothers the he11 out of me? When Our Country decides or the imbeciles running security think my 9 yr old daughter or anyone's grandmother in there late 60's plus are a National security threat? I want to see the evidence and proof of what they have thwarted. I want to here one story...just one..what has the TSA prevented by raping a Citizen? I look forward to that answer.

I'm not ENDORSING this situation, or people not being alarmed -- I'm saying that the vast majority of people spend their time worrying about bills, getting ahead in life, or being accepted by the community. When we complain about these things, we aren't making friends, money or helping ourselves.

There has been a LOT of stuff people could have gotten concerned about - for decades, but the nature of people is not to worry about such things until they are an issue. If you worried about everything that could potentially go wrong, you'd make yourself sick.

>> In this case however, I think it's a bit like the repeal of Glass/Stegall -- people who should know better are intent on making use of it. They EXPECT that they will have to disappear people because protests are going to get worse -- because they PLAN to not change the status quo, however abusive it may be.

Originally posted by k1k1to

pardon me "mate" but ive been to cuba, and about half of the other countries that you mentioned above, obviously YOU havent been to iran, or iraq recently...

i dont think you've ever recieved that "look" telling you, that you dont belong...well i have...ive never felt so alienated, and hostile than the time i spent in iraq/fallujah...maybe when you sober up in the morning from your whiskey, you'll realize how much of a fool you've made yourself sound like..

im not some dumb american cowboy...and you are far from "enlightened"...way from it.

do america a favor...and stay out..

you irish wouldnt know the meaning of work if it smacked you behind the head with a whiskey bottle..MATE

edit on 10-1-2012 by k1k1to because: (no reason given)

lol,,, cute

Well I've sobered up and yeah I might have been a bit heated in my response... and your right, it's been a long time since I've been in Tehran... and I'm certainly not enlightened!.....

but.....

Can I ask did you get those unwelcome looks from the local iraqi's because you where a visiting tourist,,, or,, where you there in a uniform??

Yeah, everyone in my family got treated as outsiders in every country we lived in,,,, for at least the first six-eight months, but once people see you shopping in the same local shops,, eating in the same local cafe's and awkwardly doing your best to speak the local dialect people change and they realize your not their to invade them and aren't some tourist.

anyway,, no point in starting an argument. I'm just curious by your comments and I'm wondering if your recent visits to Fallujah might have been related to military activity,,, in which case you could hardly blame anyone for looking at you as a hostile invader.

umm,,, and what's with the dig about being irish and not working?? wtf? I've worked since I was 17 ?? but I suppose it's not worth arguing as it just sounds like some stereotype of the irish you've learned off TV or something,

anyway,,, suppose I better go top up my irish coffee and eat a few more potatoes...

reply to post by Flint2011


sorry,,, was probably all the whiskey lol