America's Duty to Venerate and Protect Israel and the Jewish People

reply to post by ZionSteel


It would undo teaching(s) about the rapture if Israel and the Church were not distinct; and I'm going to assume you don't simply repeat what Haggee and others teach, but understand why this is the case scripturally.

My next point is this: There is no scriptural basis for America to support Israel. America has a Christian heritage and tradition, yes, but America is not a theocracy. For that matter Israel is not a theocracy. Private individuals supporting Israel for their own purposes is one thing, but I cannot think of a biblical mandate that requires Americans, Canandian, Mexicans, Haitians, Brazilians, et al. to support the continued land grab by Israel, which is what this really appears to be aiming at.

As for Christian devotion to Israel ... who does the promise fall to: the Church, Israel, or both? Until that schism is cleared up there's probably no way to go forward with productive dialogue.

Under who's authourity it is our solemn duty to protect anyone but us? Where's the law? Where's the decree?

I guess if you believe in God and the scriptures the OP has a point, however, if you are from another religion, say buddhist or Islam, then the OP is extremely offensive to millions of people around the world. Not to mention those who do not believe in religion at all.

How can a super natural being have decided to favor one small group of humans over another and still be labelled an all loving God. It makes no sense what so ever and those who subscribe to this zionist myth should be extremely ashamed of themselves, deep down they know they cant possibly be right.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Especially when we remember god is Buddhist and the Mormons were right in the end...

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Drunkenshrew

 

True. And what are your thoughts on a new Kennedy arousing the hallways? Whats his name....Joseph Kennedy 3rd?

I can't stand Palin or Lieberman; all these other Christian Zionists hurt my head LOL

There's no room for religion in politics and vice verser.

There must be someone other than Ron Paul who can also give Obama a run for his money......? I like real competition.

Ron Paul might have no chance to win the election, but the longer he is in the race, the more people will be exposed to his views on foreign policy and civil liberties.

I don't know much about Joe Kennedy III. But in my opinion no single politician can bring about change. When his great-uncle got killed in Dallas, TPTB got away with framing Lee Harvey Oswald. Since then their crimes have become more and more blatant. Today the press is coopted and serves only those in power. The same is true for most large national and international NGOs.

Since both parties are utterly corrupt at the highest level, I believe true change can only come through a grassroots movement which bypasses the existing system. Any single leader who opposes the existing system and threatens the military-industrial-complex will be framed, marginalized, eliminated by vote fraud - or if all that is not enough assassinated like JFK and his brother.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Under who's authourity it is our solemn duty to protect anyone but us? Where's the law? Where's the decree?

It is written.

You must believe.

You must pay MONEY.

It IS Romans 13

Submission to Governing Authorities
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.

4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.

7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Romans 13 (New Israeli International Version)

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.

I Want My Money Back

Wow I can't believe I read that. I remember growing up and reading about the holocaust and all those poor innocent people that died. When I got older I read a lot of post WWII books. The way that a piece of Holy land was cut out and parceled out to them is absurd. The previous residents forced out. Now the USA has backed them with Nukes and everyone in the Middle East wants to take Israel down and than us. If we cut ties with them now it wont look so bad when the Palestinians and others kick the door in and take back what is theirs. So much BS, contradictory, irony.......I am just going to walk away. Just walking away.
(I am not anti-simitic in any way. I find it easier to understand a Countries religion vs the Countries actions.)

reply to post by xuenchen


Sorry but Romans only applies to nations whereas Catholic, Jewish, Christian is the Official State Religion as the US has none so that's nullified!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Sorry but Romans only applies to nations whereas Catholic, Jewish, Christian is the Official State Religion as the US has none so that's nullified!

Wheeeew !

Thanks.

I was starting to get worried.

Is it also null & void ?

God must be stupid if he loves one of his children more than the others.

reply to post by ZionSteel


This has got to be the biggest pile of dung I have ever read on this forum let alone in my life and I have read some really appalling stuff in my day. This belief system that you pose for discussion here is by far the most single form of propaganda and psy-op I have ever encountered if those things are even proper definition.

I am not out to slander you or your take on matters as that is your right. Let me say one thing though. America owes Israel nothing and never has and never will. I want every single Zionist out of my Nation. I want ever single dual citizenship member of my political process removed. I want every lobbyist organization shut down and that includes the whole lot that push for influence towards Israel.

I despise Israel's government so bad it makes me wanna vomit. I feel for it's people as people. Not because they are Jews. I feel sorry for Jews who are caught up in this machine of complete absurdity that is spouted as in there best interests.

Just my 2 bits from my own soapbox. Take no offense or do. I couldn't care less.

reply to post by Drunkenshrew


I see the media is painting a picture of Ron Paul as anti-semitic and I know for a fact he's not. As a Jew I would cast my vote for him if I could simply because he's a man of his word, has intigrity, and has stayed consistant throughout his campaign. Thats a man Israel should praise. Obama including al the other runners are as shifty as hell and I would'nt trust them if my life depended on it.

Perhaps Israel feels insecure regarding Ron Paul because they know they won't be able to twist his mind or toy with him. I've found over the years, Netanyahu does'nt like a leader he can't push around and Obama does'nt like a leader who is intellectually more intelligent and better educated than him - thats why he did'nt like our last PM Kevin Rudd who was not only more educated, far more experienced in world foreign policy but also fluent in Mandarin.

Ron Paul will not leave Israel out on the lerch. Ron Paul is not that stupid but he's not going to allow Israel to bambooze him either.

It's no ones duty tp protect Israel other than Israel. Sounds a bit arrogant actually. Now for other nations to be kind enough to help in it's defence would be another story.

what a ridiculous post, go elsewhere if you are looking for a slave you jewish extremist

Originally posted by masterp
God must be stupid if he loves one of his children more than the others.

Nowhere does it say God loves some more than others. He has chosen some over the others. Chosen for what, may be an appropriate question. According to a Jew that I know, they were chosen to be an example to others as to how to keep faith in Him at all times, good and bad.

If what the Jews went through is an indication of God's "love" aren't you glad you aren't "loved" so much by the God of Abraham? I, for one, don't complain at all about Him not loving or choosing me and my people

reply to post by ZionSteel


I essentially agree.

However . . . I don't know that it is our DUTY as much as our OPPORTUNITY AND PRIVILEGE.

I have a conviction, however, that God is in the process of removing the USA from being Israel's protector and provider.

I believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is DETERMINED TO BE ISRAEL'S ONLY PROVIDER AND PROTECTOR more directly in the closing chapters of history as we have known it.

Also, I believe that the USA's leadership and people have committed so much rebellion against God and His values, priorities, standards that America is no longer spiritually fit to be Israel's protector and provider.

We are now only fit for discipline--evidently fairly harsh discipline that is purportedly at the very door.

Originally posted by ZionSteel
Thank you for your many replies. I did not expect so many so soon.

I have not replied because I have nothing to say beyond my first message yet. It is a statement. Not an argument.

I am not a troll or a prankster. I mean what I say.

Let's just say for a minute that your ridiculous assertions are correct, any obligation the US may have had to Israel ended on June 8, 1967. Israel is one of the world's top terrorist countries and, quite frankly, I am offended that we give any money or support to a bunch of religious whackos.

Edit- Also, do you know what the word "venerate" means? You should go look it up, because you obviously don't know what it means, or you are just crazy.

IF there were no religions we would be 1000 years ahead today,all religious
books are man made all with an agenda,please go back to your cave.

Jew being the people of "God", and the rest of us being Gentile.

I say, leave the jews to themselves ... if we are animals to them, send them home and let them live in their own country, under the protection of their own god. People like that, do not need my protection or my thoughts ... they have their God.

"I", will side with the poor, the starving, the homeless and the outcasts of this world. I will fight for their right to live, and I do not care about God, nor his "blessed" children.

So, surely I tell thee ... go home to your blessed Isle of Israel, and live with your God ... alone.

Those, who care about the Children of the earth, those who cannot take care of themselves ... listen to what i have to say. Let the rich, and mighty and Gods "holy" children, take care of themselves. Use your time and space, to take care of the homelss and the needy ... instead of those, who have "plenty".

You've GOT to be kidding!