what would happen if, people were cut off from benefits?

Originally posted by rubbertramp
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

the other problem i have, even after they bagan issueing the cards instead of stamps is people selling them.
i don't know how many times i've been approached by somebody,
'hey, dude, i'll sell you 100 dollars in stamps for 50 bucks.'
it's almost tempting, but i've never done it.
obviously those trying want alcohol or drugs.

Well then... The answer is to get rid of the need for money. If You want to see how (and help in the efforts to raise awareness that it CAN be done NOW), read My thread here: www.abovetopsecret.com... .

If We do that We will be free, poverty and hunger and war will vanish, as well as the power elite's power over Others in favor of autonomous power over Self.

reply to post by rubbertramp


In America, Charity Begins at Home . If Families and Friends cannot take care of themselves , then as Failures they go Begging for the Goverment Dole? Truthfully , is that Any way for Any One to Live their Life ? Are the rest of us supposed to Feel Pity for those who Refuse to Help themselves when given the Chance ? People that have a True Need of Assistance from their fellow Man because of certain circumstances in their Lives should recieve it out of common Human Compassion , but in this Country , that is Not always the Case . The Question you pose here is more Complex than you might think .

Originally posted by Manhater
She's 16 now, but when she's 80, she'll still be living in her SIMS world. No way in heck, would she ever be responsible enough to live on her own, drive a car, or take care of a child.

Why is that? She will never be able to drive a car or live on her own .. BECAUSE SHE PLAYS VIDEO GAMES? What?!!!?

reply to post by Amaterasu


i'll read your thread, seems right up my alley, thanx.
i'm part of a local bater system here in s.w. new mexico.
there are about 300 people that have signed up so far. everyone lists what they have to offer, materialistic or otherwise.

i've done some awesome trades so far, for instance, i did some native rock work on one guys property in trade for mechanic work on my motorhome.
i love this type of thing and wish it was much more common.

reply to post by rubbertramp
For the health of our nation, for the future of our republic. . .

We need to cut benefits! NAO!

We have generation upon generation of people living entire lives on government benefits.

It has to stop or else just scrap the Constitution, and quit pretending we're a representative republic!

Socialism. It's here.

reply to post by Zanti Misfit


couldn't agree more, i volunteer at 2 thrift stores, one benefits disabled vets, the other benefits abused children.
i also spend time filling boxes at a local food bank, donate money to organizations like docs w/o borders etc....
i don't mean that as a form of bragging, just that if more people who could offered time and money it would undoubtedly help those in need.

Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns
The sad truth is the American economy would collapse! Today our economy is based on consumerism. What do you think would happen if the government quit subsidizing the poor?

There is a reason why "the poor" are being subsidized.

Because more and more people who are poor, cannot afford health care, get more and more into debt etc. HURT THE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.

Saving money by stopping giving welfare and benefits will not in fact "save money"....but instead create more poor people and be a BIGGER burden on the society than supporting the poor people.

Of course, with "supporting" i am not only talking about foot stamps and similar, but real support as we have here in Europe which includes free schools, training etc...where the main goal is actually to re-integrate people without a job back into the society by giving them jobs.

Look, how would you be able to get a job if you are homeless? The gvt is providing aid to give people the essential things since the chances are better that someone who has a place to live and has the essentials to eat etc. is MORE LIKELY to also find back a way into a job, less crime etc..etc..

Is this system getting abused? Heck yeah its getting abused by some people, but this doesn't mean that the overall benefit is not there.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by rubbertramp

 

For the health of our nation, for the future of our republic. . .

We need to cut benefits! NAO!

We have generation upon generation of people living entire lives on government benefits.

It has to stop or else just scrap the Constitution, and quit pretending we're a representative republic!

Socialism. It's here.

LOLMAO..let me assume you are living in the States? You do not even REMOTELY know what benefits, welfare etc. are... because you don't even have a fraction of the benefits compared to, say, Europe. Free healthcare anyone?

Sorry..i can only laugh at people like you who complain about the welfare in the states - because BASICALLY it does not really exist...respective it pales in comparison. So i don't really know what you are complaining about. Your "social net" in the states is a joke...and i did not even compare your "benefit spending" to your military spending yet.

Also..as i pointed out above...you would achieve exactly the opposite by stopping benefits and supporting the poor. You WILL end up paying more. What your country needs is exactly the OPPOSITE because all your failures and the state you are in NOW are coming from the fact that your social system SUCKS, your health care, unemployment etc.... ONLY benefiting a few greedy rich and making HUGE numbers of people poorer and poorer. And you think that the solution would be to make the poor people even MORE poor by stopping whatever support there is? LOL

reply to post by rubbertramp


That is very Commendable of you . All People Need each other in this World , it is Only when as Individuals our Selfishness supercedes our Compassion for the Unfortunate that we become Wanting as Human Beings.......

reply to post by flexy123


Ah...but here methinks Wrabbit is making his point from a Democratic standpoint. As opposed to your Socialistic standpoint.

Big difference.

reply to post by flexy123
Actually living in Europe right now.
Grew up in the UK and spent several years in the states.

So, yes.

I do know what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by flexy123

 

Actually living in Europe right now.
Grew up in the UK and spent several years in the states.

So, yes.

I do know what I'm talking about.

The problem of America is NOT the number of poor "leeching" the rich elite. Is this SO DIFFICULT to comprehend?

reply to post by Zanti Misfit


i agree, and the screwy part is, the less work i've had lately, the more time i have on my hands to do things like i mentioned.
my donating money has been cut drastically, but my donating time has increased.
but, then again, i'm one of those freaks that lives way off the grid, have basically no bills and have learned how to live off of very little.
funny thing is, i could easily get food stamps and other benefits, but have a conscience and would see it in a sense as taking benefits away from somebody who truly needs them.

Originally posted by flexy123

The problem of America is NOT the number of poor "leeching" the rich elite. Is this SO DIFFICULT to comprehend?

The problem in America is that there is no drive, no independence anymore. Everyone runs to the government if they have a problem.

Poor?
Government will help you.
Sick?
Government will help you.
Homeless?
Hungry?

We've lost our ideals of personal responsibility, rugged individualism, freedom.

We've traded it in for;
The Patriot Act
TSA
HUD homes
Food stamps
Obama-style healthcare

Originally posted by rubbertramp
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

i'll read your thread, seems right up my alley, thanx.
i'm part of a local bater system here in s.w. new mexico.
there are about 300 people that have signed up so far. everyone lists what they have to offer, materialistic or otherwise.

i've done some awesome trades so far, for instance, i did some native rock work on one guys property in trade for mechanic work on my motorhome.
i love this type of thing and wish it was much more common.

Actually... Between robots and free energy, barter and other forms of energy accounting (trade, work exchange, money) will become unnecessary. Go to the interweb and order what You want and a robot will deliver it...

I think it's kinda sad that people think the main problem is people are "lazy", or lost their "work ethic". Where exactly do you people come from... ? I'd like to live there. It sounds nice.

The vast majority of Americans live in a middle-America pisshole, that is nothing but vacant lots, abandoned store fronts and thriving fast food joints. Remember when Bill Hicks used to joke about turning America into a strip-mall? Well, guess what, the strip-mall is broke and everything is trash now. Congratulations boomers, I hope you retired well.

There is no work ethic for someone under 25 today, and there will be even less for the generation after that. Frankly, it makes me sick that people encourage others to accept slave-wages for trash jobs with no hope, so they can get a "good feeling" when they go to work every day as the country keeps driving itself into the ground.

You guys read too many self-help books.

reply to post by SyphonX


just to put forth the flip side of the coin.
i can't/ refuse to, lay the entire blame on the government.
if more and more people got off the grid and became more self sufficiant and self employed it would take the power away from those who basically control our lives.
blaming the gov. for outsourcing jobs/ allowing illegals to enter the country etc...etc....is just that, laying blame elsewhere besides ourselves.
the power they weild was given to them by the citizenry.
some was stolen and gotten through coruption, but nobody has really stood up to them yet.

Originally posted by rubbertramp
reply to post by SyphonX

 

just to put forth the flip side of the coin.
i can't/ refuse to, lay the entire blame on the government.
if more and more people got off the grid and became more self sufficiant and self employed it would take the power away from those who basically control our lives.
blaming the gov. for outsourcing jobs/ allowing illegals to enter the country etc...etc....is just that, laying blame elsewhere besides ourselves.
the power they weild was given to them by the citizenry.
some was stolen and gotten through coruption, but nobody has really stood up to them yet.

I've been off the main grid for over 14 years now....Just had a whole pickup load of fresh produced delivered. For $70 bucks, I'll be blanching, grating, baking, canning, and freezing for at least 5 days to come.

We have in my rural area, a self sufficient system where we all place our wish list with the man who drives down to the big farmers market in the big city 2 hours from here, with his big rig truck. Today I got over $400 worth of fresh, mostly organic produce, for $70..

This is what we all do up here during the winter months until growing season starts again. Once growing season is back, we cut out the middle man and buy/barter from each other at our small local farmers markets.

The problem being, people in city living situations don't know how to do this. Even if they did, most of them are happy buying what they want from grocery stores.

Do I personally see a solution to how society is currently operating? Not without a complete overhaul of the existing system.

Large segments of our society, no longer have the knowledge of how take care of their own, much less themselves.

reply to post by Destinyone


that is awesome, destiny.
it's also the reason why i think many americans are truly lazy. they would literally die if the grocery stores closed down.
look back in american history, seems to me that many today are afraid of a hard days work. why should they, there is food down the street and they can recieve benefits.
if my granfather was still alive he'd be pissed at most of america. he worked his butt off sunrise to sunset to keep the family fed and together.
just look at old pictures, fat people were very rare.
i almost wish we could go back to some of the old ways.
but, then again, if everybody moved out of the cities and into my woods i would not be a happy camper.

My husband gets unemployment. If he lost it, there still wouldn't be any work, but he might be forced to take 2 part time jobs that pay about 9.00 an hour. We'd lose the house in no time.
I'm disabled but don't get benefits, but I have been trying to work and do part time stuff.

I wish we had more land, but if you are going to take me and my husband and put us out in the middle of nowhere with some land, then, I guess....you are giving us something? Land?

USA won't be giving anyone any nice farmland. It's all going to be sold to China, UAE, and Saudi Arabia.
Instead, they are going to let the banks take as much as they can, putting more and more people in a situation where they can't take care of themselves period.