Christians....I'm SICK of them

like i said, i know the truth

Like I said before, brainwashed. HOW do you KNOW it's the truth? Answer, you do not. I'll tell you what you know, what some preacher told you to believe, so you believe it. Right? And you talk about attacks on people? I had a really good thread going here....
Is Christianity Really Brainwashing? until Christian's personal attacks and insults closed it down. I believe I proved my point in that thread, whether Christians like it or not. One day, you will know the truth.

Originally posted by autowrench

like i said, i know the truth

Like I said before, brainwashed. HOW do you KNOW it's the truth? Answer, you do not. I'll tell you what you know, what some preacher told you to believe, so you believe it. Right? And you talk about attacks on people? I had a really good thread going here....
Is Christianity Really Brainwashing? until Christian's personal attacks and insults closed it down. I believe I proved my point in that thread, whether Christians like it or not. One day, you will know the truth.

uhm... Im not Christian, nor have i ever listened to any "preacher"... so please tell me how im "brainwashed"?

Best check who you're speaking to before you go off half cocked my friend...

I know "truth" because it is obvious to some...

If this wasn't directed at me, of course... disregard what i just said...

I was also the 5th poster in your thread by the way

Well,

Flag from me.......

I woul'nt personally say I am sick of them...........

I just try to avoid them

Originally posted by Gigatronix

Originally posted by sacgamer25
Again let me repeat there is not one Buddhist manuscript that has been found that predates Christ

Just because there hasn't been one found *that you know of* does not preclude the possibilty that such find won't be made in the future, or hasn't happened and you just don't know about it..

You simply cannot prove what you say.

Neither can you.

Myself and many others who testify to a changed life in Christ prove what I say

That doesn't prove anything either. You can't reinforce delusions with more delusions.

varnam.org...

I imagine if they found what you think is true it would be front page news everywhere in the world. I have been reading a lot about Buddhism and the fundamental philosophy is really far apart.

The foundation of Buddhism is if you don’t do XYZ you aren’t spiritual enough.
The foundation of Christ is you can never do XYZ on your own. You must receive help from the Holy Spirit.

Buddhism teaches righteousness based on acts. Thus leading to a tired system where one man is better than another.

Christ taught only God was righteous, thus making all men equal.

In Buddhism a monk who eats only vegetables is somehow more spiritually gifted than someone else.
The one who cannot do these things is assured of coming back as less.

In Buddhism the penalty for sin is coming back as a lower form of life.
Jesus taught the penalty of sin was judgement and separation from the father.

Buddhism teaches reincarnation until the end of a given age that has no boundaries.
The bible teaches each man dies once and then is spiritually resurrected for Judgment at the second coming.

It is my opinion that the philosophies remained in tact but the teaching of Christ was added into Buddhism. And since the oldest manuscripts that have been found are from after the ministry of Christ, what I say is true is at least as likely as what you believe.

I have only this for you to think about. You can live your life by the Buddhist standard and maybe you will become enlightened when you become a monk. I will live my life as an ordinary man who has become enlightened by the power of an extraordinary God.

reply to post by sacgamer25

In Buddhism a monk who eats only vegetables is somehow more spiritually gifted than someone else.
The one who cannot do these things is assured of coming back as less.

In Buddhism the penalty for sin is coming back as a lower form of life.
Jesus taught the penalty of sin was judgement and separation from the father.

Buddhism teaches reincarnation until the end of a given age that has no boundaries.
The bible teaches each man dies once and then is spiritually resurrected for Judgment at the second coming.

sac, be cautious here. You say you've been "reading a lot about it", but it is VERY clear that you have not been reading about the varieties of Buddhism.

Buddhist schools vary on the exact nature of the path to liberation, the importance and canonicity of various teachings and scriptures, and especially their respective practices.(6) The cardinal doctrine of dependent origination is the only doctrine that is common to all Buddhist teachings from Theravada to Dzogchen to the extinct schools.(7)

The foundations of Buddhist tradition and practice are the Three Jewels: the Buddha, the Dharma (the teachings), and the Sangha (the community). Taking "refuge in the triple gem" has traditionally been a declaration and commitment to being on the Buddhist path and in general distinguishes a Buddhist from a non-Buddhist.[8]

Other practices may include following ethical precepts, support of the monastic community, renouncing conventional living and becoming a monastic, the development of mindfulness and practice of meditation, cultivation of higher wisdom and discernment, study of scriptures, devotional practices, ceremonies, and in the Mahayana tradition, invocation of buddhas and bodhisattvas.

Buddhism
The wiki article from which I c/p the above has 238 footnotes. TWO HUNDRED and THIRTY EIGHT citations.
The Bibliography includes FORTY books, and 3 online sources.

The blanket statements you made above the text box are representative of only SOME Buddhist paths, and for you to say Buddhists "are this way" is ignorant and premature.

It is the equivalent of a Buddhist looking into Christianity and "reading a lot about" ONLY ONE branch...they would be misinformed and guilty of misleading others if they went about saying that Christians teach you must handle venomous snakes, speak in tongues, attend Jesus Camp, beat your children so they are not spoiled, and that when they are born they are all headed for a place called hell, and by simply saying "Jesus is Lord" they can get into heaven.

2 Branches of Buddhism
2.1 Schools of Buddhism
2.1.1 Theravāda
2.1.2 Mahāyāna
2.1.3 Vajrayāna
2.1.4 Early Buddhist schools
2.1.5 Buddhist modernism

Outline of Buddhism

Wow, dude. Keep reading, by all means, but don't consider yourself fully aware of what Buddhism in all of its forms teaches. And don't, PLEASE DO NOT, consider yourself to be qualified to teach it or what it's about, until you have read every one of those forty books, and practiced the teachings yourself.

Yikes. *facepalm*

reply to post by wildtimes


Basically you are swaying that Buddhism is just another religion that no one agree on and there are many ways to interpret the 40 books.

Just because Christianity looks the same it is not. There is only one interpretation, by that interpretation all religion is obsolete. There is no need for religion, there is only need to accept that we are all equal. Just because false teachers have taught a false Christ and therefore created a false religion does not make thier interpretation correct. As the churches interpretation directly contradicts Christ.

I know and understand what you believe, but the correct interpretation of the bible agrees completely with the law of love. If one follows anything that is less than the truth than separation occours. I believe a time is coming where the message I bring will go to the world will be taught and the church will label us the anti-Christ, even though I say nothing that contradicts the bible nor do I say anything that does not come from love.

You know my stand on this but i will repeat it, if not for your benefit than for mine. You don't have to acceptthe bible for me to believe you are my sister, I only wish that you would because the power of the truth will fill you with something that cannot be described to human understanding. With love always.

Originally posted by sacgamer25
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Just because Christianity looks the same it is not. There is only one interpretation.........

Wow, so not only do you not understand Buddhism, and Paganism, now you also don't understand your own religion.

Are you aware that there are over 43,000 variations of christianity?

I know and understand what you believe, but the correct interpretation of the bible.........

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CORRECT interpretation......once again, there are over FORTY THREE THOUSAND different interpretations of your bible.

So you have the correct one? (the odds are more than 43,000 to one)

I dont think I'll buy your preachers raffle ticket, thank you very much.

reply to post by sacgamer25

Basically you are swaying that Buddhism is just another religion that no one agree on and there are many ways to interpret the 40 books.

I'm saying that Buddhism is a school of thought, with basic tenets shared among the different sects, much like the "Christian" religions all agree that Christ is the Son of God. Not all Christians or churches hold the same rituals, follow the same rules, or teach the same outcomes. Same with Buddhists.

And the FORTY BOOKS are in the Bibliography on the wiki page as reference materials. Those forty books were cited and used as the sources for the footnotes. I suggested that once you had read all FORTY BOOKS THAT TALK ABOUT Buddhism, that are listed on that ONE wiki page, then PERHAPS you could claim some knowledgable credibility to be speaking about Buddhism.

There are far, far more books than just forty. I suggest you try a few of the more novice-oriented ones, that attempt to make sense of an ORIENTAL mind-set to OCCIDENTAL thinkers. It is not done quickly, nor easily.

Reading a book about Mexico does not teach one to speak Spanish.

But you're getting all knee-jerky now, so, I respectfully decline the debate until you are more well prepared. It would be an unfair match.

EDIT TO ADD: love, back, brother. I know your heart is correct.
wild

reply to post by vogon42


I do not have an interpretation it comes from no preacher but from the Holy Spirit. If i say the interpretation given brings an end to separation, and brings unity to all of mankind why do you refuse to believe that it is a message from God? I am only a messenger the interpretation was a gift from God. I prayed for the gift believed I had received it and it was given to me.

The truth in the bible creates no division, no superiority, no righteousness. The truth only leads to compassion for all men and even more compassion for those who love but do not know the message. To me it matters very little what anyone believes because the truth is much greater than any belief.

What am I saying that makes you not believe in the interpretation that was given me.. Is it only because you have heard lies about Christ that makes it difficult for you to believe what i say is truth?

Christ says do not judge and I do not. Christ says love your enemy, personally I don't see anyone other than Evil itself as my enemy. Jesus says that he is the way, and i say that he is the way because he lives in you. Christ says that we were chosen from the beginning and i say that only you can seperate yourself from the truth. Do you understand that Christ did not start a new belief system, man twisted the words to create a new system of control.

Christ came to abolish the control of religion, simply asking us to love and care for each other because we are all equal parts to the body of Christ. We are all equal each with given our own special gifts. We are all Gods temple if we don't come together we are a kingdom divided against itself and we will fail. The only thing that we have to hold onto is the promise that God will prevail over evil, even if we never get it.

Originally posted by sacgamer25
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What am I saying that makes you not believe in the interpretation that was given me.. Is it only because you have heard lies about Christ that makes it difficult for you to believe what i say is truth?

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yes, perhaps it is the other 42,999 other interpretations that cause me to wonder if yours is the ONE.

Or maybe it because if I put 10 christians (different variations of the same religion) in one room, and asked them ONE question, I would come up with 12 (or more) different answers.

None of you can agree, and if you do, another decides they need to change their answer/belief.

PUPPETS!! (uh...not YOU.....just the OTHER 42,999)

reply to post by sacgamer25

Christ came to abolish the control of religion, simply asking us to love and care for each other because we are all equal parts to the body of Christ. We are all equal each with given our own special gifts. We are all Gods temple if we don't come together we are a kingdom divided against itself and we will fail. The only thing that we have to hold onto is the promise that God will prevail over evil, even if we never get it.

And THAT^^^^, my spiritual friend is exactly what Buddhism teaches.
We are all God's temple.

There was not one man alone who was more gifted. We are ALL the sons and daughters of the Divine. Equally. Some of us are more advanced, more thoughtful, more patient, kind, loving, aware.

He was not the only one.
*sigh*
That is why I object to you insisting that "Jesus is the Savior"....when what you talk about is so far above that narrow attribution.

peace

reply to post by Akragon

uhm... Im not Christian, nor have i ever listened to any "preacher"... so please tell me how im "brainwashed"?

Sorry, perhaps I took you the wrong way. Not my meaning. But you did say, "i know the truth," my mind automatically went to the many people I have heard say that, then to discover that their truth was actually a lie. Like my high school history teacher, for instance. Or my preacher when I was forced to go to church. I will admit I do not yet know the truth, not the entire, whole truth, but, I am actively searching for it, always questioning, always tearing into everything held as truth. I have had a lot of surprises, let me tell you. Imagine for a minute my shock when I came to discover that Skynet and Cyberdyne are real? And that is just one secret I have opened up. What is really going on, behind the scenes of organized government and religion, would shock most most people to their knees.

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by sacgamer25
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What am I saying that makes you not believe in the interpretation that was given me.. Is it only because you have heard lies about Christ that makes it difficult for you to believe what i say is truth?

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yes, perhaps it is the other 42,999 other interpretations that cause me to wonder if yours is the ONE.

Or maybe it because if I put 10 christians (different variations of the same religion) in one room, and asked them ONE question, I would come up with 12 (or more) different answers.

None of you can agree, and if you do, another decides they need to change their answer/belief.

PUPPETS!! (uh...not YOU.....just the OTHER 42,999)

There is only one answer that comes from the Holy Spirit, God is not divided. The answer from the Holy Spirit will always agree with love, any other answer will cause separation from love. You will be able to tell, the message has been written on your heart and the truth will agree with the word written on your heart. This is the testimony of 2 or more witnesses. The Holy Spirit that speaks through the follower and the Spirit that live in you will agree thus proving the interpretation correct.

You have rejected the 40,000 denominations because what they say does not agree with what is already written on your heart. Most people attend church because they feel obligated to. Most people agree with the leaders of the church because they assume that the pastor has some insight that they do not have. What the bible actually says is the Holy Spirit will interpret the word for all believers, not just the pastor at your church.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by sacgamer25

 

Christ came to abolish the control of religion, simply asking us to love and care for each other because we are all equal parts to the body of Christ. We are all equal each with given our own special gifts. We are all Gods temple if we don't come together we are a kingdom divided against itself and we will fail. The only thing that we have to hold onto is the promise that God will prevail over evil, even if we never get it.

And THAT^^^^, my spiritual friend is exactly what Buddhism teaches.
We are all God's temple.

There was not one man alone who was more gifted. We are ALL the sons and daughters of the Divine. Equally. Some of us are more advanced, more thoughtful, more patient, kind, loving, aware.

He was not the only one.
*sigh*
That is why I object to you insisting that "Jesus is the Savior"....when what you talk about is so far above that narrow attribution.

peace

I agree with you that Buddhist teach a message inspired by Christ, therefore they provide a path to salvation. But I also believe that they teach a doctrine of man that causes stumbling blocks for many people. You still think that I need you to accept this message for you to be saved. What I am saying is that by your words and actions I believe that you are already saved. You see you don't need to accept the truth for it to be the truth, because the truth is simply the truth.

You want me to see it your way and I want you to see it my way. LOL, unfortunately the Christ that has been taught by the church makes it nearly impossible for you to see it my way. Lucky for us that we both choose to live by love and we will both return to the father.

Take heart in knowing that we will both be labeled the Anti-Christ so in this way we are more the same than I wish were true.

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Hi, sacgamer25, you make reference to the "Holy Spirit." I wonder if you could define what the Holy spirit is? I posted a question on this very subject today, have you read it?
Is the "Holy Spirit" in Reality a Demon?
Now be aware, I am only asking a question. I hear a great deal of talk in here about this Holy Spirit, and it is time we delved into it and discovered exactly what it is.

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by sacgamer25

 

Hi, sacgamer25, you make reference to the "Holy Spirit." I wonder if you could define what the Holy spirit is? I posted a question on this very subject today, have you read it?
Is the "Holy Spirit" in Reality a Demon?
Now be aware, I am only asking a question. I hear a great deal of talk in here about this Holy Spirit, and it is time we delved into it and discovered exactly what it is.

I will share with you the truth, because anything less would be making God small. Here is where I will lose the Christian audience but will in fact be showing you what the bible says.

Based on everything you have posted, I believe that you wish to live by the law of love, and in most cases this is what you do. You have rejected the doctrine taught by the church because the judgment and hate does not agree with the law of love.

Ok so the truth, if you live by the law of love than you prove the Holy Spirit lives in you. The bible says that no one could recognize, nor observe the law of love if they did not have the Holy Spirit. Autowrench as much as you reject the bible I believe that you are my brother and that the same spirit that lives in me lives in you.

You see this is how Christ came to abolish religion. He made the simple statement that not one is good except God. When he said this he was referring to the Holy Spirit in us. It would be impossible for man to do good or know good, or even to love or feel love if the Holy Spirit did not live in them. In this way Christ was saying that all love comes from God so it is easy for us to recognize our brothers and sisters.

I am not sure exactly how it works but by looking at the world it appears that many do not live by the law of love. I don’t fully understand weather they were born with the spirit or not. Personally I believe one of three possibilities, bad people are possessed by evil, they were never born with the spirit, or they have become so consumed with greed and lust that the spirit no longer dwells in them.

So when the bible talks about separating yourself from sinners, these are the people that we are to separate from. The type of people who cause harm to others without feeling remorse and asking forgiveness. Why would anyone loving want to be associated with someone like that anyway?

The problem with the Christian understanding of the Holy Spirit is when it comes to baptism. Christians have misunderstood baptism of the Holy Spirit. Since we were born with the spirit because our father loved us and forgave us from before we were born, we don’t have anything to receive upon believing. So baptism by water is only an outward sign, but most churches say that you receive the spirit by either praying a certain prayer or by water baptism. But this is not what the bible says.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is truly a separation of one’s sinful desires and the spiritual desires. Anyone who has been baptized by the Holy Spirit no longer has any desire for sin and may even be disgusted by the sin they see in the world. No one can only think they were baptized and you can tell who is by what they say. If someone says they have been baptized by the spirit, but continues to judge and spread hate, this simply cannot be true.

I apologize if this sounded like a sermon but the question you asked is quite complex. About the Holy Spirit being a Demon. The Holy Spirit is not a demon but there are demon spirits. So if someone is spreading hate and judgment, they have accepted a message that comes from an evil spirit. The easiest way to know what spirit someone has listened to is to compare what they say to what Christ said. The Holy Spirit agrees with Christ and the evil spirit contradicts Christ.

reply to post by sacgamer25

The problem with the Christian understanding of the Holy Spirit is when it comes to baptism. Christians have misunderstood baptism of the Holy Spirit. Since we were born with the spirit because our father loved us and forgave us from before we were born, we don’t have anything to receive upon believing. So baptism by water is only an outward sign, but most churches say that you receive the spirit by either praying a certain prayer or by water baptism. But this is not what the bible says.

Then you, my brother, have actually understood the message of Christ. I hope that you accept that I (who will not speak for autowrench -- he doesn't need my help ) am on the same page with you.

Jesus Christ was spreading the correct message. I wholeheartedly agree with what he taught. I think (hope) you recognize that, and that I do not feel compelled to say "he is the Only Way" to still have that belief-- that he was speaking the truth.

hug
--wild

reply to post by vogon42


"NOTHING has changed, I ask a LOGICAL question any YOU Christians act like I just committed some sin. WHAT is wrong with seeking knowledge???

If yours is the true religion, I would rather burn in hell, than have to put up with such ignorant, egotistical nonsense."

LOVE IT..
You're right... Christians answer for everything is "Jesus" or "the lord".. I had a discussion (See: Arguement) with a friend over God, Jesus etc and where's the proof.. I was told "There's proof all around, look around, who do you think created the tree's and birds" .. My reply was "Evolution... "

Now my own thoughts... Anyone says Evolution around a Christian narc and you're typically scoffed at.. But one man can build a massive "Ark" then go out... find two of EVERY animal on the planet.. And survived a massive flood.. Then repopulated the Earth's animal life?... Uhh yeah Realism... Sounds like the thing story books are made of...Oh...Wait..

Originally posted by Ox
reply to post by vogon42

 

"If yours is the true religion, I would rather burn in hell, than have to put up with such ignorant, egotistical nonsense."

You can say that as much as you like. The only problem is, that living in this culture, you don't really believe it.

In Western society, when a Christian tells you you're going to Hell, you believe them.

Oh, not consciously. Not rationally. But it's there. If you have as many Christians tell you that you're going to Hell as I have, it sometimes keeps you awake at night.

You can know that it is only due to their mental illness, their irrationality, and their mind control. You can tell yourself that if you're going to Hell that is fine, and you'll accept it. You can tell yourself whatever you like.

If you've been brought up in a culture where you first read the Old Testament at the age of five, however, it doesn't matter. If you went to Sunday school before you were three feet tall, and had it drilled into you, relentlessly, without any release, for years...then it doesn't matter how irrational, how hate-based, or how wrong you tell yourself that Christians are.

Because deep down, you still think that they're the authority...that they OWN you...that your soul is their property, not yours.

And they've rejected you, called you a Satanic monster, and told you that you're going to Hell...and so you are certain you are.

--

I woke suddenly, covered in sweat, my breath coming in great, shuddering gasps.

We were running forward, always onward, the sounds of Human screaming a constant echo in our ears, fires on both sides of us, and the ground reduced to featureless mud beneath our feet. Farmland, farmhouses, all the Human buildings; we smashed through them, burned them, always seeking the families within, to try and end our mad, desperate hunger. A hunger that could not be ended.

The hunger to kill.

Human men, often smaller than the smallest of us, tried frantically to defend their wives and children. Most barely lasted seconds before being overwhelmed by us, and they never died cleanly. They were always smashed, torn, burned to the point where nobody could have known afterwards that they had once been Humans.

Red blood, black blood, theirs, ours, covered us. We waded through it, it washed over us when we killed. We didn't know which, and we didn't care. We only sought one thing, and we found it. Again and again, times beyond number, we found it.

When I woke, when I remembered, in the few seconds when I could see both of my lives, contrasted, laid side by side, it was always the same. For a moment I would struggle to shut it out; I couldn't bear it, but something forced me to remember, to look.

"Spirits, help us...

What have we done?"

I am Mirshalak. I was born from the rejection of Christians, and the love of Kali Ma.

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I saw that chick on warcraft....

HORDE!!!!