Unions require photo ID for THEIR elections.

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I personally liked the idea of just dipping a finger in indelable ink. It worked in Iraq, why not in the US?

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why don't you guys use some sort of dye that cannot wash off (like in many 3rd world countries), to dye you hand, to show that you have voted???

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by beezzer
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How's this for a compromise.

If you have the privelege to vote, then an ID should be provided, free of charge. It won't affect the poor, it would level the playing field, it would (in effect) make everyone equal.

I like this idea, although I still think this doesn't excuse some Americans from lacking photo ID. I don't think I've come across a person yet who doesn't have photo ID. I mean I'm sure many of them would by the least still possess a drivers licence or something to that nature... but I guess those people exist, so I'd be fully behind this idea.

I would hope that this would stop any issue that voter ID opponents would have.

Though it boggles the mind that so many are against it.

Originally posted by Hellhound604
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why don't you guys use some sort of dye that cannot wash off (like in many 3rd world countries), to dye you hand, to show that you have voted???

See above your post!
Personally? think it's a brilliant idea.

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3

Originally posted by Hellhound604
but if you don't need an ID to vote, JUST how do you vote? what prevents people of voting multiple times? are you telling me that there is no system in place to track who has voted???

You walk in and vote. Unless the 230 year old volunteers can recognize you, nothing is stopping you from voting multiple times, other than your own morals. In some places, they have some type of system. In other places they don't. Voting is controlled by the individual states and counties. There is no standard on it.

It makes no sense to anyone outside of the USA why voting there is still done the way it is.
It invites trouble.
I don't understand why there is even an argument about it still.
Although, the electronic voting machines make it even easier for fraud, so one is led to believe that the powers that be, want the fraud.


Up here, we also need ID for everything, voting, bank accounts, renting anything, purchasing alcohol, cigarettes, even a lighter.

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And there you have it.
The opponents want the fraud.

They NEED the fraud. They probably COUNT on the fraud.

To hell with honesty. Vote early, vote often. (Richard Daley)

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Hellhound604
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why don't you guys use some sort of dye that cannot wash off (like in many 3rd world countries), to dye you hand, to show that you have voted???

See above your post!

Personally? think it's a brilliant idea.

Sorry, I guess you posted as I was typing my reply...
But I mean, I have been in many 3rd world countries, and they all have that indelible dye system, and then most of the fraud happened behind the scenes. Would hate to think how much more the votes could have been rigged if it was without that ink?
Are you guys really serious about it? Can I load a whole bus full of voters, or a fleet of busses of voters, and drive the whole election day from one polling station to the other, and just keep on voting?
Heck, I can think of some great ways to make money from politicians in the USA during election time..... I just need to go to a geriatric home, or a squatter camp, pick up as many people as what can fit into the bus, and its roof, and the trailer that I tow behind it (I guess I could squeeze in 200 or so) and drive the whole day long with them voting at hundreds of polling stations...... and if I can get a politician to pay me for every vote I bring in (and politicians will), then I can be a millionaire after a single election.

The hypocrisy is never ending sure they want a fair union election with id since unions are pro left they got it but turn that conversation to nation election and politics and they scream bloody murder.

Seems to me there would be a lot less fraud as in illegals,dead people and felons voting nationally.

I see no reason for there not to be carded in the most important decisions we Americans make in our life times per the elections.

And when we say hey they should be carded they label you as racist your just keeping the "poor" from voting and other stupidity.

It is straight up hypocrisy.

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Actually? Yes.

That is why there is voter fraud everytime, every where.

Many posters on ATS won't vote out of disgust just because the game is rigged. Cheating is almost accepted now.

Our own Attorney General WANTS the cheaing to continue. That's why Holder is fighting voter ID laws.

They want to continue cheating.
It's the only way they can win.
(in my humble)

Originally posted by MrSpad
And IDs would stop voter fraud how? I mean its not like you can not create fake IDs. This is one of those debates I see as a complete waste of time and money. IDs or not if someone wants to try to commit voter fraud its just as easy with or witout them.

Do you have locks on your doors? Yes. Why? A lock won't stop someone who truly wants to come into your home. See the logic? It will make it more difficult, and deter the small, petty frauds. Your average Joe who is "too poor" or "too old" to get a real ID or that is in the country illegally isn't going to have the money to buy the fake ID. After all, they're "too old" or "too poor", right?

Originally posted by MrSpadMaybe we should just make everbody get a chip at birth?

Maybe we should just throw out a red herring? Or, maybe not have ANY identification of any kind for anything. I could walk into the bank, say I'm Bill Gates, and withdraw money from his account. Sounds good to me.

Originally posted by neo96
The hypocrisy is never ending sure they want a fair union election with id since unions are pro left they got it but turn that conversation to nation election and politics and they scream bloody murder.

Seems to me there would be a lot less fraud as in illegals,dead people and felons voting nationally.

I see no reason for there not to be carded in the most important decisions we Americans make in our life times per the elections.

And when we say hey they should be carded they label you as racist your just keeping the "poor" from voting and other stupidity.

It is straight up hypocrisy.

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It's worse than hypocrisy my friend. It's state sponsored cheating. When the AG wants the cheating to continue and plays the race-card-straw-man argument, you know that corruption has reached the top.

Cream is not the ony thing that rises.

So does scum.

No ID required to vote, and then this thread came up about Illinois.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But now, Illinois has climbed a few rungs up the crazy ladder with a state law requiring you to show photo ID, not to vote, but to buy drain cleaner.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date of birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date and time of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the net weight.

And yet they figure it's too much of an inconvenience for people to show ID when voting.

Yes Beezer, you are totally right - they do want the fraud.
What a nutty government.....

In our City, when you vote, you sign your name in the register and then you are handed a ballot. When you return the ballot, your name is covered with a bright yellow hi-lighter. In the 2011 election I was suprised to see that my Mother's name had been hi-lighted and there was a signature. I knew that she hadn't voted. When I called this to the attention of the poll worker, I was informed that she had voted about an hour before I had. I told the poll worker that she must have been mistaken, my Mother had died on August 12th, 2010. I contacted the Board of Elections, but, nothing was ever done about it.

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Many states also require ID

The Democrats however have been striving to contest these laws so that illegals can vote for them, which about 75% of the Hispanic population votes Democrat. By increasing the size of the Poor population, especially the uneducated and illegal, they increase their voting base. How many local elections have been swayed because of these policies? It's disgusting.

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If memory serves, drain cleaner is one ingredient usedfor meth.

It's a huge problem in Illinois.

I guess fraud gets a pass, hwever.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
In our City, when you vote, you sign your name in the register and then you are handed a ballot. When you return the ballot, your name is covered with a bright yellow hi-lighter. In the 2011 election I was suprised to see that my Mother's name had been hi-lighted and there was a signature. I knew that she hadn't voted. When I called this to the attention of the poll worker, I was informed that she had voted about an hour before I had. I told the poll worker that she must have been mistaken, my Mother had died on August 12th, 2010. I contacted the Board of Elections, but, nothing was ever done about it.

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And there you go!
Thank you for your post!

State sponsored fraud is now the norm.

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I don't know if different counties have different rules but I HAD to show Driver Lic., Voter ID card and fill out a form before I voted in 2008. We do as far as I know have to show ID.
What happens is you walk into the building..go to the table and show your ID and Voter ID.
They look up your name..look at your pic and then make you fill out this form.
After that you are handed a ballot and go to vote.
After voting you turn it in and then leave.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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Many states also require ID

The Democrats however have been striving to contest these laws so that illegals can vote for them, which about 75% of the Hispanic population votes Democrat. By increasing the size of the Poor population, especially the uneducated and illegal, they increase their voting base. How many local elections have been swayed because of these policies? It's disgusting.

Exactly!

They don't count on legitamate votes anymore.

Thy want the fraud to continue.

All I can say is "Eish".... an african expression you say when something is totally in-comprehensible. I will shut off now, not getting involved with american politics further, just shaking my head, and say "Eish" when your election results comes in, whatever way that might be...

(and just one more thing, before I say things that I shouldn't say), I really, really, really feel sorry for you guys.

Originally posted by Neopan100
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I don't know if different counties have different rules but I HAD to show Driver Lic., Voter ID card and fill out a form before I voted in 2008. We do as far as I know have to show ID.
What happens is you walk into the building..go to the table and show your ID and Voter ID.
They look up your name..look at your pic and then make you fill out this form.
After that you are handed a ballot and go to vote.
After voting you turn it in and then leave.

And if we actually had that in all 50 (57 ) states, then we might actually have an honest electoral process.