2012 End of World?

Hi,

IMHO it's about the end of the world as we know it, which implies a 'migration' from the third dimension to the multi dimensional reality, with the effect that reincarnation (which needs a physical, 3rd dimension) is going to stop. We will not really 'die' as our consciousness will remain intact. All this is based on a raising of the (electromagnetical) energy that is the basis of all that is. The herz frequancy of the earth (the Schumann Resonance) has always been constant but since mid 80's it is raising exponentially. Mechanically there is still 24 hours in a day and a night, in (multidimensional) 'reality' however there is now less than 8 hours.... time is going to 'stop'.

Regards,
Nescio

So what was the previous year which was supposed to be our doom which never happened? Or the previous year that was supposed to be the date of the second coming which didn't come?

2012 is just the current date that the hopefuls are clinging to for answers, sufficiently out of reach for more than a few years so that no one can say "See it didn't happen" too soon. There are those who come 2013 will end up saying, "see it did happen but you're not tuned in enough to have noticed, whereas I am" ROFL

And what's all this plane of the galaxy rubbish? anyone got a 3-dimensional model or video link to illustrate just wth you are on about?

What happens 21.dec.2012

They somehow predicted that the world would go under.

They don't know how them self, but what i think this means is.

that some country starts a nuclear war, or that the climate is shifting to a new iceage ( the day after tomorrow ). Or that the asteroid called QQ47 is on a colloition course about that time... many factors that may cause some sort of doom day...

Maby they made the calender to warn future people of what we must trie to prevent..

Maby this is an idea ?

It is actualy a re-birth of times, a re-birth of spirituality that in these modern eras people have denyed and even rejected spirituality.

Here's a really good explanation of the mayan calandar even though it's not totaly correct, the idea is in there, thanks to Ian Lungold.


Ian Lungold (1/3)

Ian Lungold (2/3)

Ian Lungold (3/3)

I was about to post this in the "2012 and the photon belt" thread in the paranormal forum, but I decided to put it into another 2012 thread:

Personally I find it hard to believe that anything will happen at 11:11AM Dec 21, 2012 except the obvious cosmic alignment of the sun rising into the mouth of the abyss and burning the nest of the phoenix constillation and creating a cross with the milkyway at the end of the galactic year. Which is pretty neat all by it's self. And if anything does happen, Dec 21 is the first day of the event and it wouldnt be noticeable anyways, maybe not for several years.

I watched a video about an alchemy encoded sculpture, the Cyclical Cross of Hendaye. And in this video the narrator explains a theory about the cross from a rare book on alchemy. The cross has a latin inscription (which was deliberately misspelled, think davinci code) on one side of the cross, and INRI on the other side. Theres also XX stacked on eachother forming a DNA type pattern, and also representing the number 20. The cross rests on a pillar which rests on a base. The square base has a carving on each of its 4 sides. Each picture corresponds to the tarot cards #'s 17,18, 19, 20. (the cross is also 20, XX) Those cards are of a star, and opposite the sun (the rays are encirlced, obvious change to the tarot picture where the suns ray are streatching out). Then one side is the moon just like the tarot design and the fourth side it a circle with a cross and 4 masonic looking A's. The cross picture on this fourth side would seem to represnet the cross on the flag of the judgement (card#20 or XX).

Basically the message encoded was a double catastrophe shown by the Star which is behind the encircled Sun. And theres 2 towns in Peru which have large cave systems (now blocked by the government so noone gets lost down there); the names of these town encoded into the misspelled carving. Also the numbers of the galactic cylce are found in the INRI according to a web site (INRI=270*8(8 is value of all symbols on monument)=2160 which is one "month" of the full 25,920 "year")

I just read a site that said the Incas of Peru were really only around for about 100 years and the whole reason their culture was established was to find a magical way to prevent whatever they thought would happen at the end of the cycle. Now continuing on the connection of the cross and the incans; on the first expidition of the spanish to peru, a spanish dude drew some of the incans pictures down and one was called the "secret of the incas." Its a drawing of four pictures, a sun, star, moon, and a hill/pyramid. The secret of the incas also showed holes around the pictures, perhaps a depiction of the cave system that would be used to evade the coming disaster.

Now some guy drilling for ice cores up on the north pole found that every 13,000 to 26,000 years the earth is covered on rhodium and iridium, probably from space and something like an asteroid belt or maybe the photon belt? The movie about the cross seems to think its from something else however. Every galaxy goes through a seyford explosion form it's center. (over 10% of all galaxies are doing it now) The explosion would look like a new Blue star appearing in the sky. (The blue star is a sign of the end times to the Hopi) If our galactic center exploded guess how long it would take the light to get here? Well, we are about 26,000 light years from galactic center point. Interesting number isnt it? I've been wondering why 2012 is the beginning/end of the cylce. Who picked that date 26,000 years ago to be the start? I mean we are about a 100 years early for our axis to be as close to the "north star" as possible. So maybe the seyford explosion of our galaxy happened 26,000 years ago (about) or happens every 13,000 years. It would be a good marker for the beginning of the cycle.

If you know your physics you will know that high energy photons, i.e. cosmic rays, behave like particles. They have mass and momentum. Which is another reason why these superwaves are so dangerous. There's a real possibility they are preceded by a horrific gravity wave. What's the relevance? It seems we had a minor event -- a gamma burst -- from the galactic center that arrived 44 hours after the Dec 2004 tsunami that leveled Sumatra and the Indian basin, killing 250,000+ people. Well, the quake that caused it may well have been triggered by the gravity wave that preceded the burst.

Galactic core explosions actually occur about every 13,000 - 26,000 years for major outbursts and more frequently for lesser events.

The emitted cosmic rays escape from the core virtually unimpeded. As they travel radially outward through the Galaxy, they form a spherical shell that advances at a velocity approaching the speed of light.

Astronomical observations show the last major Galactic core explosion occurred as recently as 10,000 to 15,000 years ago.

The carving of the sun design on the cyclical cross at hendaye shows the suns rays being trapped. If the dust came into our solar system, it is theorized that it would blanket the sun and turn our moon red (theres the link to revelations). After a time of darkness and the suns heat building under the dust, it would blow off the dust which would hit the earth. The galaxy explosion and blanketed sun are depicted on the cross. The star face of the cross base is opposite/behind the sun, showing the cosmic aligntment. The judgement tarot card shows the dead rising from their graves. Something Nostrodomus and Revelations tell us will happen at the end. Why do you think we have zombie movies? The moon face also looks unhappy. Unfourtunatly its not colored, but I wonder if the artist would have made it red? (One interesting side note.. the "judgement" tarot drawing has an angel in front of three open caskets with dead people getting up, and on the incan drawings theres 3 black holes where the caskets should be.)

Heres a picture with the Cross at Hendaye and the Secret of the Incas and the Tarot:

i am quite surprised that NO ONE has yet mentioned the year 2011

or OCTOBER 28, 2011 to be exact

that is when i beleive the transformation is most likey to occur

the transformation is of our consciousness being more aware and able to see and incorporate higher truths into our thought processes (maybe a metaphor for revelations) i.e higher truths reveled ) which as we grow closer to this date our capacites to make the transform easier as we are all CAPABLE of being influenced by this process which is effecting the consicousness of man

this transformation is a process it is over time and the pulses of light energy are going to be breaking thru in a way none of us have ever seen

ps october 17 is also shaping up to be a quite magickal day

[edit on 15-10-2006 by cpdaman2]

That's not the oddest thing about the Mayan legacy as early as 1910, in the anthropology books on Medicine man Black Elk, he mentions it and the date within the beginning of his interview with the author and the translator for them. They say it's both a physical and spritual end of the world, at least that's what he mentions at the beginning of the first two chapters of the book as well as the living conditions and local plains wars he was apart of at the time.

Originally posted by usaforever
That's not the oddest thing about the Mayan legacy as early as 1910, in the anthropology books on Medicine man Black Elk, he mentions it and the date within the beginning of his interview with the author and the translator for them. They say it's both a physical and spritual end of the world, at least that's what he mentions at the beginning of the first two chapters of the book as well as the living conditions and local plains wars he was apart of at the time.

I find this anecdote unlikely. The Mayan glyphs were finally translated more than 20 years after the death of Black Elk. Prior to their translation, very little was known about how the Mayan calendar worked.

If you could, please provide references concerning Black Elk's thoughts on the Mayan Calendar. The subject doesn't even appear at the sillier websites I looked at.

Harte

[edit on 10/16/2006 by Harte]

Originally posted by cpdaman2
i am quite surprised that NO ONE has yet mentioned the year 2011

or OCTOBER 28, 2011 to be exact

that is when i beleive the transformation is most likey to occur

the transformation is of our consciousness being more aware and able to see and incorporate higher truths into our thought processes (maybe a metaphor for revelations) i.e higher truths reveled ) which as we grow closer to this date our capacites to make the transform easier as we are all CAPABLE of being influenced by this process which is effecting the consicousness of man

this transformation is a process it is over time and the pulses of light energy are going to be breaking thru in a way none of us have ever seen

ps october 17 is also shaping up to be a quite magickal day

[edit on 15-10-2006 by cpdaman2]

What is the significance of Oct 28 2011? Does the day have some specific meaning to the Mayans? I know all the days have a special meaning, and that the date of Dec 21 2012 has to do with Quetzl's return; so is there something attatched to the October date that is significant for consciousness and the evolution thereof? Or is October 28, 2012 the start of the transformation and Dec 21, 2012 the end of the transformation?

In another thread I wrote about the Mayans beliefs surrounding the eclipse of Venus (June 8, 2004, and again in June 6, 2012), and the effect it has on consciousness:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Approximately every 121 years, the planet Venus transits in front of the sun (called a planetary "eclipse" or "occultation). This eclipse of Venus always happens in pairs. The first occurred on June 8th, 2004, and the second will take place on June 6, 2012. Astrologers believe that this eight-year period in between eclipses of Venus represents a kind of “doorway” through which a global consciousness will begin to dominate humanity. The year 2012 is a very important date because it is also the end of the Mayan calendar. The Mayans were able to determine the exact timing between Venus passages to the exact number and without fine optical observation instruments, it is still a mystery how Mayan astrologers were able to discern such an exact timing. Mayan prophecy states that a new consciousness will be born on the 2012 eclipse of Venus. The Mayan's associated the planet Venus with Quetzalcoatl, the Mayan messiah figure who lived in the year 40 AD and who is supposed to return again in 2012.

Tangentially related this thread - although I get the impression that few bother to read links:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 19-10-2006 by d60944]

Originally posted by ViolatoR

What is the significance of Oct 28 2011? Does the day have some specific meaning to the Mayans? I know all the days have a special meaning, and that the date of Dec 21 2012 has to do with Quetzl's return; so is there something attatched to the October date that is significant for consciousness and the evolution thereof?

ViolatoR,

Quetzlcoatl was an Aztec (Nahautl) name for the feathered serpent God. The Mayan name was Kukulk'an. The Mayan version, though still a feathered snake, differed somewhat from the Aztec, which I why I point out this distinction.

That being said, can you provide some support for your statement about the predicted "return" of Kukulk'an by the Maya? A link would be nice. I'd like to read about this as I have never seen this claim associated with 2012 before in any legitimate, truly Mayan history or script translation. To my knowledge, only four writings survived the Spanish purge of the Mayan's writings. I don't recall anything like this, but that's not exactly surprising. I'm not a Mesoamerican scholar and the Mayan writing was only translated a couple of decades ago.

Sorry if you already provided this info. Not being a believer in the "doomsday" ideas around 2012, I've not taken seriously many of the posts here and I may have skipped your reference if you provided one. If you have, please tell me and I'll go back and look.


Harte

It may have been confusing because I was quoting myself, but I quoted a website originally in the original thead which I linked to..

www.near-death.com...
Approximately every 121 years, the planet Venus transits in front of the sun (called a planetary "eclipse" or "occultation). This eclipse of Venus always happens in pairs. The first occurred on June 8th, 2004, and the second will take place on June 6, 2012. Astrologers believe that this eight-year period in between eclipses of Venus represents a kind of “doorway” through which a global consciousness will begin to dominate humanity. The year 2012 is a very important date because it is also the end of the Mayan calendar. The Mayans were able to determine the exact timing between Venus passages to the exact number and without fine optical observation instruments, it is still a mystery how Mayan astrologers were able to discern such an exact timing. Mayan prophecy states that a new consciousness will be born on the 2012 eclipse of Venus. The Mayan's associated the planet Venus with Quetzalcoatl, the Mayan messiah figure who lived in the year 40 AD and who is supposed to return again in 2012.

Then there was this other thread I started where I posted:
(www.abovetopsecret.com...)

www.adriangilbert.co.uk...
On March 4 1519 Hernan Cortes, with 11 ships, 600 foot soldiers, 16 horses and some artillery landed on the coast near what was to become Vera Cruz. By August 13 1521 he had conquered the Aztec Empire, the most powerful state in all of the Americas. Part of the reason for his success was a case of mistaken identities, the Indians believing that he was a god named Quetzalcoatl whose return had long been prophesied.

The original Quetzalcoatl, whose name means 'plumed serpent' and who was identified with the planet Venus, probably lived at the start of the fourth age, around 3114 BC

www.stetson.edu...
"4 Ahaw k'atun is the eleventh k'atun according to the count Chichen Itza is the seating of the k'atun. The settlement of the Itzas comes. The quetzal comes, the green bird comes. He of the yellow tree comes. Blood-vomit comes. K'uk'ulkan shall come...." Book of Chilam Balam of Chumayel.

The passage explicitly references the 4 Ahaw k'atun (7,200 day period) in the mid-1700s but most likely refers to the arrival of the historical K'uk'ulkan in 987. However, according to Mayan cyclical time, the 4 Ahaw k'atun ending on the 2012 winter solstice would likely share similar qualities.

Alright since the time periods have specific meaning and the cycle, the "4 ahaw k'atun" of an earier time is the same as the "4 ahaw k'atun" in 2012. And the prophetic text of what will happen on this "4 ahaw k'atun," says specifically "The quetzal comes, the green bird comes."

I was just wondering, is there any connection between the Crystal Skulls and 2012?

Originally posted by ViolatoR

..."4 Ahaw k'atun is the eleventh k'atun according to the count Chichen Itza is the seating of the k'atun. The settlement of the Itzas comes. The quetzal comes, the green bird comes. He of the yellow tree comes. Blood-vomit comes. K'uk'ulkan shall come...." Book of Chilam Balam of Chumayel.

The passage explicitly references the 4 Ahaw k'atun (7,200 day period) in the mid-1700s but most likely refers to the arrival of the historical K'uk'ulkan in 987. However, according to Mayan cyclical time, the 4 Ahaw k'atun ending on the 2012 winter solstice would likely share similar qualities.

I take particular note that this "prophecy" was for the mid 1700's, long after the Maya mistook the Spanish Conquistadors for the return of the Feathered-Serpent God, whatever name you want to call him. So, to me, it wasn't exactly much of a prophecy, was it? Or, will you say that the "quetzal" (K'uk'ulkan) came in the mid 1700's?

Note also that the author here states that this passage "most likely refers to" the year 987 AD.

The above Book of Chilam Balam of Chumayel is available at Sacredtexts.com.

Here's a quote from the intro of this book:

The Books of Chilam Balam are the sacred books of the Maya of Yucatan and were named after their last and greatest prophet. Chilam, or chilan, was his title which means that he was the mouth-piece or interpreter of the gods. Balam means jaguar, but it is also a common family name in Yucatan, so the title of the present work could well be translated as the Book of the Prophet Balam.

During a large part of the colonial period, and even down into the Nineteenth Century, many of the towns and villages of northern Yucatan possessed Books of Chilam Balam, and this designation was supplemented by the name of the town to which the book belonged. Thus the Book of Chilam Balam of Chumayel is named for a village in the District of Tekax, a short distance northwest of the well-known town of Teabo.

This Prophet Balam lived during the last decades of the Fifteenth Century and probably the first of the Sixteenth Century 1 and foretold the coming of strangers from the east who would establish a new religion. The prompt fulfilment of this prediction so enhanced his reputation as a seer that in later times he was considered the authority for many other prophecies which had been uttered long before his time. Inasmuch as prophecies were the most prominent feature of many of the older books of this sort, it was natural to name them after the famous soothsayer.

The Books of Chilam Balam were written in the Maya language but in the European script which the early missionaries adapted to express such sounds as were not found in Spanish. Each book is a small library in itself and contains a considerable variety of subject material. Besides the prophecies we find brief chronicles, fragmentary historical narratives, rituals, native catechisms, mythological accounts of the creation of the world, almanacs and medical treatises. Many such passages were no doubt originally transcribed from older hieroglyphic manuscripts, some of which were still in existence in northern Yucatan as late as the close of the Seventeenth Century. As time went on, more and more European material was added to the native Maya lore. In some of the books not only do we find the ritual of a religion which is a mixture of the old faith with Christianity, but there are also translations into Maya of Spanish religious tracts and astrological treatises, as well as notes of events which occurred during the colonial period. In two of these books we even find part of a Spanish romance translated into Maya.

The ability of the Maya to write their own language in European script was due to the educational policy of the Spanish missionaries.

While interesting as a source of insight to Maya culture, the book itself is no great shakes when it comes to any 2012 prophecy, IOW. On the other hand, it was extremely useful in studying the linguistics of the Mayan language as it was written in European script but with the Mayan words, sort of a phonetic methodology that allows us today to speak the Mayan language we read off the old glyphs.

Alright since the time periods have specific meaning and the cycle, the "4 ahaw k'atun" of an earier time is the same as the "4 ahaw k'atun" in 2012. And the prophetic text of what will happen on this "4 ahaw k'atun," says specifically "The quetzal comes, the green bird comes."

Problem here is, the cycle mentioned in this text has repeated at least two times prior to the coming one, once in 987 and once in the mid 1700's. Sorry, but I don't recall reading in any history about K'uk'ulkan returning then.

But I must thank you kindly for providing the reference to monument 6 in Tortuguero, Tabasco:

The glyphs on the main page of this site come from Monument 6 found at the site of Tortuguero, Tabasco and represent the only known reference to the 2012 date in the ancient texts. According to David Stuart, the glyphs read:

"Tzuhtz-(a)h-oom u(y)-uxlahuun pik (ta) Chan Ahaw, ux(-te') Uniiw. Uht-oom ? Y-em(al) (?) Bolon Yookte' K'uh ta (?). "

"The thirteenth pik will be finished (on) Four Ahaw, the third of K'ank'in. ? will occur. (It will be) the descent(?) of the Nine Foot Tree God to (?)."

(my emphasis)

Found that on the site you linked. At last an actual ancient Mayan prediction for the year 2012. Wonder what the hell they mean there? At least I've gotten something to do some searches on now!

Harte

Michael Tsarion goes into this in his Destruction of Atlantis series. He decribes that date as the beginning of the Plutonian era. In essence the earth's winter cycle. This is a cleansing period for all humans , animals and the earth itself. The toxicity of man and the planet are to be purified. Those beings who are at peace and understand one's self will be benefitted and those who are in conflict with their inner selves will experience significant turmoil. You can see this on Tsarions website under 2012 and the Future of Man. I don't subscribe fully to Tsarions theories, but it is atleast one explanation.

Harte, due to the cyclical nature of their calandars its hard to tell if they think the Quetzl returns over and over again ad infinitum, or only once. Kinda like saying Jesus was ressurected on easter, and every easter since then. Considering that Quetzl doesnt appear to be here yet, its possible that the day is still ahead of us, maybe in 2012, maybe in a 4th katun millions of years in the future. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

"Nine Foot Tree God" is certainly interesting. The crossing of the eliptic and the center of the galaxy formed what was known as the "tree of life" to the mayans. (dont know where I read that, sorry.) The Egyptians had "tree" gods. They look more like potted plants with heads and arms sticking out. The tree of life however is an ancient theme, and if we remember all the rest of ancient mythology that has to do with astrology, the "tree of life" may be an astrological symbol as well.

Off-topic a bit, have u seen previews for The Fountain movie? Looks interesting, it has what appears to be Yggdrasil in it. Anyways if you find more about the "nine foot tree god" please share it.

Originally posted by ViolatoR The Egyptians had "tree" gods.

I believe if you'll check any reference on Egyptian gods, you'll find out that they didn't have tree gods. They did have a rather exhaustive list of gods... Osiris was nominally in charge of vegetation because of his death and rebirth.

The Africans had tree gods, and the Hindus had tree spirits. But not the Egyptians.

Byrd I hate to do this to you but feel secure in the knowledge that I thought you were right too
but then I checked to make sure
www.touregypt.net...

Personally I'm looking forward to the end of the world as we know it, from what we see of the world in our daily lives it isn't a very nice place. Bring on Dec 21 2012!!!

I'm looking forwards to saying "I told you so" to about three hundred paranoid people on Dec 22nd 2012
Anyone know if any bookmakers are giving odds on us being destroyed in 2012 yet
I never gamble but would be quite happy to put money on this one
after all if I get it wrong I won't be worried about my stake money