Chemtrails Are Good For Us.

This is the perspective of a free thinker who witnesses trails every day, currently starting at 0753EST, when first spray plane takes off.

I live three miles from Hector International Airport, which has an Air National Guard group renting runways there for a mere dollar per year. Since Fargo is not a hot-spot for tourists, there are only several passenger planes flying in and out throughout the day. Civilian flights are either southbound (toward Denver), or eastbound (toward Minneapolis-St. Paul). The opposite is true for inbound flights. Soooo... the point of this paragraph is that civilian aircraft is easy to track.

The next group of planes are provided by the Air National Guard (ANG), with F-16's flying various training maneuvers and exercises. Even a monkey can tell the difference between the fighter and civilian aircraft, so I won't go into depth there. I would like to mention, though, that when both are flying in for their approaches, there is no trail. When the fighter jets are flying at high altitudes, there are never trails. This makes me hypothesize that the (ANG) has nothing to do with spraying, because of course they have bigger fish to fry during this current era.

Finally, come the group of planes that spray. I get the elite honour of seeing them up close during takeoff and landing, though they do not have a set schedule. If I had no life, I would definitely be sitting outside in a lawn chair every day to watch these guys. Some of the planes are propeller, others have jet-engines. They are either gray or white, no markings, and exceptional flyers. They have only a few windows in the fuselage.

Their morning paths depend on the wind direction. If the wind is coming from the North, they fly due North and spray low on the horizon during morning twilight, though I have caught one near the morning moon flying at a 45deg angle, like he enjoying the view.

The afternoon paths depend on cloud cover, which lately has been medium-heavy every day, even if Weather.Com predicts a cloudless day. I will focus on this later. The afternoon has NUMEROUS trails, intersection each other at various phases of development. Lots of chem-clouds..one day they were spraying orange clouds underneath the white cloud cover.

By evening, they're finished and sporadic. There's usually a dense cloud cover by this time, and they're impossible to spot. I personally think the afternoon is their last "mission."

Sooooo... here's my theory and supporting data:

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Theory Chemtrails are for our benefit.

1) Chemtrails are real. Even twenty years ago when I was a young child my father would take me to air shows to see the Blue Angels, which would spray colorful trails across the sky. This was twenty years ago, folks. Back then you could even rent a plane to spray messages to your loved one. Now flip forward to twenty years later. During the past twenty years we have experienced a technological advancement like no other during humanity. This advancement isn't solely about bigger TV's and smaller cell phones, this advancement also includes government technology and aspirations.

2) I live in an area where the local commerce depends on two things, crops and the military. The food supply and the military are the two utmost things that a government protects, with its citizens a close third (sad but true).

3) The final result of the spraying is an additional, lower cloud cover. This is what leads to my hypothesis.

Hypothesis The government is spraying to protect us, and our crops, from the harmful UV rays that resulted from the current deterioration of our atmosphere. By producing an additional and fake cloud cover they are ensuring that our crops and our citizens do not fry.
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Arguing that chemtrails do not exist is like saying mosquito sprayers do not exist. Sure, they are most likely spraying chemicals, but chemicals exist in all areas of our daily lives. Our water supply, our food supply, our air, our cigarettes all contain chemicals in one form or another. Some of our daily actions include inhaling/eating/drinking pathogenic substances. All species produce waste in one form or another, whether it be chemical or biological. I am suggesting that perhaps, just maybe, the government is trying to do something about the effects of ozone depletion.

Dot.

I just photographed a chem/con-trail design of the American flag in the sky. I was a little late seeing it (it was fading into clouds), but will be posting it once the film is developed. Incidentally, no one on the ground seemed to notice.

I'm willing to bet it's in memory of the pilots and passengers who died on this sad anniversary.

Dot.

Looking forward to see the photo dot. I have to say, this chemtrail stuff is a completely new phenomenon to me. I've never heard of them until a few days ago. Living on an island in the Irish sea, I have no idea whether there are chemtrails here or whether its just a U.S. thing. I only live half a mile from our airport though. I'll have to take a closer look...

There are always trails in our skies. Our tallest mountain is used as a beacon for all major cross-atlantic flights. But how do you tell the difference between chemtrails and simple water-vapour trails?

there are good for us??

okay i 'l l open my mouth wide open when i see chemtrails,. maybe some goodies will fall in

If chemtrails are for our protection from harmful uv rays why don't they just tell us that's what it's for?

Originally posted by mannanin
But how do you tell the difference between chemtrails and simple water-vapour trails?

"Chemtrails" are usually in a grid pattern and persistent, whereas "contrails" usually are not.

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Hi All,
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Originally posted by mannanin
But how do you tell the difference between chemtrails and simple water-vapour trails?

There are lots of debates about that. The most common answer I've seen is that contrail disappear within a minute, whereas chemtrails become larger and larger, and depending on the windspeed, turn into hazy, wispy clouds. Sometimes they're dimmer or brighter than the actual cloud cover. Where I live (Fargo, ND), The chemtrails are always sprayed into the wind (i.e. if the wind is moving north, the planes are located in the south). If the windspeed is nominal, then the chemtrails epand and somewhat remain in place, creating a cloud that looks like a small tunnel.

Waiting to finish my film off...sorry, I can't afford to walk around with a $350 digital cam in my purse. It'd break within minutes.

Dot.

Originally posted by elaine
If chemtrails are for our protection from harmful uv rays why don't they just tell us that's what it's for?

I think all governments rarely tells us any sort of information. Their M.O. is to withhold it, whether it's for our own good or not. There will be many people in our populace who would protest the concept of spraying, even if it is for our benefit. People protest many concepts of public health, including flouridation of water, immunizations, et al...

I may start collecting a database of commercial airline ads, most of which have trails blatantly displayed in them. If you like, you can do the same. Stamps were even issued this month with various cloud formations.


(Notice that in the VERY CENTER of the stamp is reminiscient of trails)

I am a deep believer of psychological conditioning via advertising, and images such as these and the EPA children's image I posted above are part of a method to teach us that, "Hey, airplanes and trails are common and omnipresent, therefore they are harmless."

Do you ever hear the EPA complain about jet sprays? They turn a blind eye to it, both commercial and military. Of course, the EPA is not an independant organization, but I can't say I've ever heard anyone give a cause and effect between fuel burns and ozone depletion. Ironically, the top of the list of harmful substances in the ozone are caused by a biological entity: cows.

Silence, at times, can have a better effect on the human psyche than total information. If the government were to publish the spraying concept on every front page of every newspaper, in laymen's terms, people would freak.

dot.

Originally posted by dotgov101

Originally posted by mannanin
But how do you tell the difference between chemtrails and simple water-vapour trails?

There are lots of debates about that. The most common answer I've seen is that contrail disappear within a minute, whereas chemtrails become larger and larger, and depending on the windspeed, turn into hazy, wispy clouds. Sometimes they're dimmer or brighter than the actual cloud cover. Where I live (Fargo, ND), The chemtrails are always sprayed into the wind (i.e. if the wind is moving north, the planes are located in the south). If the windspeed is nominal, then the chemtrails epand and somewhat remain in place, creating a cloud that looks like a small tunnel.

Waiting to finish my film off...sorry, I can't afford to walk around with a $350 digital cam in my purse. It'd break within minutes.

Dot.

Well, simce contrails are made of the same thing that clouds are, (i.e. ice crystals) then why don't con'trails behave the same way as clouds? Clouds don't dissapear after a few minutes, why should contrails?

BTW, do a google search on Patrick Minnis. He is a NASA researcher that has been studying contrails for many years now.


here is a typical report.

Well, simce contrails are made of the same thing that clouds are, (i.e. ice crystals) then why don't con'trails behave the same way as clouds? Clouds don't dissapear after a few minutes, why should contrails?

Perhaps it's a reaction with the burning jet fuel. Heat melts ice.

dot.

Originally posted by dotgov101

Well, simce contrails are made of the same thing that clouds are, (i.e. ice crystals) then why don't con'trails behave the same way as clouds? Clouds don't dissapear after a few minutes, why should contrails?

Perhaps it's a reaction with the burning jet fuel. Heat melts ice.

dot.

Oh, my. Where do I start.

First, let�s clarify exactly how and why contrails form.

To begin with, contrails formation is not limited to just jet engine exhaust, contrails were commonly observed during WWII being produced by both bombers and fighters.

However, since the era of the 24 cylinder piston engine aircraft has gone the way of the steam powered trains, we will stick to the jet engines.

You are right in one respect, jet engines burn jet fuel. Jet fuel is basically a form of kerosene, you can even think of it as a clean version of diesel fuel.

When jet fuel burns, three things happen. It produces CO2 gas, It produces H2O vapor, It produces heat (it also produces a trace amount of soot and other byproducts from the combustion of various fuel additives, more on this later).

The heat of the combustion raises the pressure of the gas (CO2 and H20) which is basically squirted out the back end of the jet engine providing thrust for the plane. Once that exhaust gas exists the bag of the engine, it begins to expand since it is no longer constrained by the sides of the engine. When you expand any gas in such a manner, thermodynamic laws state that the temperature of the gas has to go down, i.e. it cools off. Furthermore, the exhaust gas mixes with the ambient outside air as it expands. Since the outside air temperature at 30,000 feet is typically about 47 degrees F below zero, it loses heat fairly quickly. Thus, the temperature of the exhaust gas quickly drops to well below freezing.

Now, at this point, there is one overriding factor that determines if contrails form at all, if they are short, medium, if they persist for hours, or even if they expand into an overcast cloud cover.

That is the relative humidity, or more specifically, the relative humidity with respect to ice (RHi).

If the RHi is low, the contrails will be short or the may not even form at all. If the RHi is around, 100%, the contrails will persist for awhile, but will eventually dissipate. If the RHi is over 100%, the contrails will persist. If the RHi is in the 150% range, the atmosphere is supersaturated with water vapor and the contrails will be very persistent and they may even expand into cirrus clouds.

This process is aided by the fact that no combustion process is 100% effective and that the exhaust gas also contains traces of soot particles which provide nuclei for ice formation.


Clouds form based on the same criteria: the RHi, and the present or absence of nucleation particles.

Note that if you see two planes in the sky at one time and one is producing a short, dissipating contrail, and the other a big, persistent contrail, it means that the planes are flying at different altitudes.

Originally posted by mannanin
Looking forward to see the photo dot. I have to say, this chemtrail stuff is a completely new phenomenon to me. I've never heard of them until a few days ago.

The chemtrail hoax has been around for about 5 years, and was quite popular on the internet for a while. Today, there are only a handful of hardcore believers left.

Jay Reynolds has devoted a great deal of time to this issue his summary of the origins of the hoax can be found here, with a lot more at his home page here.

Originally posted by iceTman
there are good for us??

okay i 'l l open my mouth wide open when i see chemtrails,. maybe some goodies will fall in

go ahead buddy

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Originally posted by Pancakes
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But of course!

Great hypothesis, dotgov101. I am in agreement with you.

Howard,

Why do you ask about clouds vs. trails, then go and write a google research paper trying to prove me wrong?

I never said chemtrails were a government experiment learned from Leprechauns living underground trying to control our thoughts.

I used simple logic to prove that they are real. Just look up and see stripes in the sky. I'm not arguing about altitudes or the composition of the trails. I used my own brain to write a theory.

I don't agree with the altitude aspect. That would mean that the straight lines that go across the entire sky are fuel coming from the same plane, flying at the same speed, at the same altitude, with no unpredictable wind currents or turbulence, diversions (over military airspace), or course changes.

This means either Leprechauns living underground that are reading our thoughts have overcome our pilots' brains and making a perfect uneventful flight, or planes are simply altering cloud cover by spraying. I think the latter makes more sense.

Please don't ask me questions in an half-hearted attempt to barrage me later.

Dot.

Originally posted by dotgov101
Howard,

Why do you ask about clouds vs. trails, then go and write a google research paper trying to prove me wrong?

I never said chemtrails were a government experiment learned from Leprechauns living underground trying to control our thoughts.

I never said that you did. I just pointed out that, based on your response to my question, your understanding of how contrails form is not correct.

I used simple logic to prove that they are real. Just look up and see stripes in the sky. I'm not arguing about altitudes or the composition of the trails. I used my own brain to write a theory.

No, you did not.

You observed a phenomena (persistent contrails) and attempted to formulate a theory for their existence (chemtrails) unfortunately, there are stronger theories out there (basic meteorology) which are simpler and are better at explaining the phenomena. Based on the time honored scientific principle of ocham's razor, we must reject your theory in favor of the one that is better at explaining the phenomena i.e. that persistent contrails are a normal atmoshperic occurance associated with high altitude air traffic.

I don't agree with the altitude aspect. That would mean that the straight lines that go across the entire sky are fuel coming from the same plane, flying at the same speed, at the same altitude, with no unpredictable wind currents or turbulence, diversions (over military airspace), or course changes.

What kind of routes do you think that commercial airlines fly?

This means either Leprechauns living underground that are reading our thoughts have overcome our pilots' brains and making a perfect uneventful flight, or planes are simply altering cloud cover by spraying. I think the latter makes more sense.

Commercial airlines are in the business of making money. Wandering all over the sky wastes fuel and lowers the profit margin. And they are not leprechauns, but computerized autopilots.

Please don't ask me questions in an half-hearted attempt to barrage me later.

Dot.

I asked you a question in an effort to assess your understanding of the scientific principles of contrail formation. If you do not know how contrails form, how can you even begin to claim that something is a "Chemtrail?"




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