emergency medical team at the pentagon

Originally posted by hooper
All "reinforced" means in terms of concrete is that there are steel elements (bars of varying dimensions) in the concrete that allow the structure to hold greater loads or resist greater stresses then it would if the steel were not in the concrete. The reinforcing does not make a concrete structure any more resistant to something like impact forces.

It damn well does, and if you had bothered to read the PBPR for comprehension, you would have noticed the excellent performance of the spirally reinforced columns is *exactly* what is highlighted.

Don't try to snowball me on the Pentagon. You don't stand a chance.

Since you're inevitably going to protest again (debunkers and truthers are both unable to admit they're wrong), I'll quote:

If energy absorption is a design objective,the evidence suggests that spirally reinforced concrete columns are the right choice.

PBPR, page 48.

This is in reference to AA 77's impact. Read the report. Lucid discussion about the performance of the spirally reinforced columns during impact, and how this performance is owed to the spiral reinforcement, precedes this quote.

Originally posted by snowcrash911

Originally posted by hooper
All "reinforced" means in terms of concrete is that there are steel elements (bars of varying dimensions) in the concrete that allow the structure to hold greater loads or resist greater stresses then it would if the steel were not in the concrete. The reinforcing does not make a concrete structure any more resistant to something like impact forces.

It damn well does, and if you had bothered to read the PBPR for comprehension, you would have noticed the excellent performance of the spirally reinforced columns is *exactly* what is highlighted.

Don't try to snowball me on the Pentagon. You don't stand a chance.

Calm down. I am not trying to snowball anyone. I just see the term "reinforced concrete" thrown around quite a bit and people automatically think that the concrete is super hard and therefore more resistant to impact loads, and this is not neccessarly true. Almost all concrete columns have spiral reinforcement, its nothing special. It will help to some extent resist impact loads, but very heavy vertical bars will do that as well. I've constructed and knocked down my share of concrete columns and piles.

reply to post by Reheat


NO, no evidence, to be honest I got the notion from watching evidence provided from a friends website shortly afterwards. You have probably seen it yourself early on. Really I steer clear of most discussion about 911, it is just too confounded.

The solutions is Call Jack Bauer at CTU
or visit the best is it company sydney4 web

Originally posted by tomperrino
The solutions is Call Jack Bauer ay CTU

No, that would be the problem.

"24" is vile Fox propaganda.

reply to post by snowcrash911


Well that is what you chose to believe, everyone has their own opinion. People can and do get 'compromised' they can also have false memories from past experiences as well. Pretty easy to spin peoples minds into compliance to an agenda.

Originally posted by snowcrash911

Originally posted by pshea38
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SPAM.

The antidote.

edit on 5-1-2012 by snowcrash911 because: (no reason given)

Thanks for that (s)no(w)crash911. Hows about we let the good people decide for
themselves. You know, those who know their elbow from a (Trojan) Horses Arse!

reply to post by pshea38

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen this one before but had heard the no plane theory. I must admit I didn't give that much thought as I thought seeing is believing but...wow.!

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


Oh dear......


Might want to get up to speed...with these:




If those ^ ^ ^ aren't your style (of music choice) , because you are an adult of certain age, then here:

The "short" YouTube version:



The LONG Google version is no longer there....odd, that.....

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by pshea38

 

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen this one before but had heard the no plane theory. I must admit I didn't give that much thought as I thought seeing is believing but...wow.!

This is the tip of the iceberg LightSpeed.

Please visit www.cluesforum.info to see the true extents of how
Media Fakery and faked news stories permeate almost every aspect of our lives.

'Living is easy with eyes shut,
mis-understanding all you see.'

reply to post by ProudBird

I watched the 2nd video, the one dealing with September Clues. It's unimpressive. Not to mention just cherry picking one or two things that possibly are wrong and then using that to claim it is all wrong is just a worthless tactic imho. I won't bother with the first video. I think I've seen enough.

reply to post by pshea38

Thanks. Added it to my list.

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


WHAT a crying shame.....it seems that sanity cannot be imparted into some people's brains.

However...what is posted will stand the test of time and truth, eventually.

watched the 2nd video, the one dealing with September Clues. It's unimpressive.

Watch it again....AND again.....

and the other one... try to get a clue to an open mind....

reply to post by ProudBird


Is that the best you got proudbird? You are definitely slipping. This attempt at debunking
falls far short of your usual standards of proof! I wonder why?

Frequently Asked Questions

1. What is the source-material of September Clues?
What did the 5 US TV networks broadcast on the morning of 9/11?
www.septemberclues.info...

2. What about the many amateur videos we have seen?
www.septemberclues.info...

3. What about the 4 flights we have heard about - and their passengers?
www.septemberclues.info...

4. What about all the eye-witnesses we have heard of on the news?
www.septemberclues.info...

5. Where can I verify the September Clues claim that all the 9/11 imagery was fake?
www.septemberclues.info...
(Think of the 9/11 imagery as a fully pre-fabricated "Hollywood" production)

6. How did they prevent New Yorkers from capturing real images of the events?
www.septemberclues.info...

7. Where can I verify the claim that the 9/11 victims were (most or all) fictitious identities?
septemberclues.info...

8. What about the people we saw jumping out of the WTC towers?
www.septemberclues.info...

9. Where can I find the full 80-page pdf file of the "VICSIM REPORT" ?
www.septemberclues.info...

10. What would be the purpose of fabricating victims for an alleged terror attack ?
www.septemberclues.info...

11. Who are the people claiming to have lost a family member on 9/11?
www.tinyurl.com...

12. What about the many other 9/11 truth organizations?
www.septemberclues.info...

www.cluesforum.info...


Fox 5 Nose-Out Footage Is Back

Naudet Original Footage Exposed
Jules Naudet's 9/11 Film Was Staged by Leslie Raphael

www.cluesforum.info
www.septemberclues.info

It may take slightly longer than 10 minutes to get through the above.
BTW Are you a 'loose changer' now ProudBird?

Oh and SeptemberClues and SimonShack (9/11 'truth's' public enemy no.1)
has the power to remove videos from youtube. Whatever!

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by ProudBird

 

I watched the 2nd video, the one dealing with September Clues. It's unimpressive. Not to mention just cherry picking one or two things that possibly are wrong and then using that to claim it is all wrong is just a worthless tactic imho. I won't bother with the first video. I think I've seen enough.

Haha! My thoughts exactly LightSpeed. What Flacid attempts at debunking!
Proudbird lets himself down here. He is usually so very meticulous and imaginative
in his (false) defence of the 9/11 official story and contrails V's chemtrails.
I guess he is (unsurprisingly) short on options and avenues when it comes to debunking
the vast amount of evidence publically available pointing to 9/11 Fakery (video and victim).

SeptemberClues spotlights hundreds of irreconcilable contradictions, NONE of which, to this day,
have been successfully debunked.

Here is a good thread . I think 07August's posts are especially relevent and close to the mark.
Although at times pretty out-there and disturbing, there is no denying his intelligence, passion
and intricate knowledge of the topic at hand.
forum.davidicke.com...

regards

pshea

reply to post by pshea38

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"nuff said.......

No one accepts this crap, any more........except the attempt to lure the newbies......they will see the reality, with time.

YOU cite "Dacid Icke"????

Again...."nuff said.........

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by pshea38

 

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"nuff said.......

No one accepts this crap, any more........except the attempt to lure the newbies......they will see the reality, with time.

YOU cite "Dacid Icke"????

Again...."nuff said.........

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David icke forums, where there are many relevent topics discussed intelligently
amongst the thousands of intelligent, inquisitive posters.
Boy, that brush you use sure is huge.

I know you only too well proudbird, though I don't know you at all.
This life finds us all out, eventually.

reply to post by pshea38

To use a bad analogy but one that is at least half appropriate to myself.,,,
Even a blind man with no stick can see there is just too much wrong with "their explanation" to know that something is up. I'd stumbled upon the 9/11 truth thing years ago (not even ATS) and then left it alone but it was unnerving. Since then I've seen many clips, complete documentaries and of course Alex "gravel voice" Jones one, along with reading much information from impartial parties (experts, not government ones). Someone, somewhere, and somewhy, is lying.

Having seen this latest one I am now actually quite convinced there were no planes at the WTC whereas before I thought the idea was little short of preposterous myself, while still believing that it was all still a setup.

The movie Wag the Dog (Dustin Hoffman) also dealt with this very technique by the government and was made in 97 I think.

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


Even a "blind man" could "see" the idiocy of the "No Plane Theory".

I mean...just reason it out.

Oh, and.....check out the ATS "HOAX" Forum.....(hint, hint).....

Take care!!

reply to post by ProudBird

Yawn, I'll bite. Did you watch it? All of it I mean. 1 hour and...17 minutes if I remember rightly.