Iran Has Until November

Originally posted by taibunsuu
Only possible course of action for altering the state of Iran is a coup or to help spark a Prague Spring-type revolution.

The idea is sound but sadly history has shown that any USA backed coups have resulted in the USA attacking the countrie because the leader the coup put in place is no longer in favour.

Who is going to back the coup?
How do we get arms and training to the people who will overthrow the Iran?
How do we know that a worse regime wont be put in place?

Americas participation in this would be minimal to say the least. Knowing Bush he would probably attack middle-eastern countries even if it was to swing America into a depression. Americas economy is in ruins, billions of dollars in depth, a detoriated army and a false sense of pride to top it off.

Bush-Cheney is offering a book about the glories of Bush in exchange for the Fahrenheit 9/11 dvd. The thing is what makes it funny is George W. Bush isn't the author. It's written by Cheney, Rumsfied and Jeb. A book about Bush not written by Bush. That's classic.

Why are people muddling the issue using Israel as an excuse for Irans WMD program?

Israel shares no border with Iran, has not attacked any country that does not share a border, has not attacked a country that did not represent a threat to its existence.

Israel has had nuclear weapons and the means to deliver for decades but has not used them - even when at war.

Iran on the other hand has been attacking Israel through its state sponsored terrorists like Hezbollah. Iran has sworn to the destruction of Israel as a nation.

Under these circumstances Iran is all but asking to be sanctioned or attacked.

It is absolutely unnecessary for Irans defence to produce and field nuclear weapons - the only use for this country going nuclear is to give an offensive capability.

That being the case I am all for preventing that from happening.

Originally posted by Phoenix
Why are people muddling the issue using Israel as an excuse for Irans WMD program?......

......It is absolutely unnecessary for Irans defence to produce and field nuclear weapons - the only use for this country going nuclear is to give an offensive capability.

That being the case I am all for preventing that from happening.

- Why are you muddling the issue of Iran's nuclear power program with that of your imagined weapons program?

(Incredibly for all this endless talk of "an Iranian nuclear weapons program" not one substantive shred of evidence for it has ever been produced.)

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey

Originally posted by Phoenix
Why are people muddling the issue using Israel as an excuse for Irans WMD program?......

......It is absolutely unnecessary for Irans defence to produce and field nuclear weapons - the only use for this country going nuclear is to give an offensive capability.

That being the case I am all for preventing that from happening.

- Why are you muddling the issue of Iran's nuclear power program with that of your imagined weapons program?

(Incredibly for all this endless talk of "an Iranian nuclear weapons program" not one substantive shred of evidence for it has ever been produced.)

Without even delving into UN reports and the fact that European countries aknowlegde these programs (they should know, selling tech for this) along with admissions by Khan of Pakistan one has to ask what on earth Iran is doing burying its facilities far underground which can be seen by all in satellite images.

You sir, are naive if you think Iran has no such program.

War with Iran is inevitable due to Iran's aggresive stance and development of nuclear weapons.

Whether this war is initiated by Iran themselves, or by Israel or by the U.S., it's eventually going to happen.

The only way (and the odds of this happening are very poor) that war could be avoided is if the current regime is overthrown and a U.S. approved puppet is installed.

Whoever is elected in November, you can look forward to the following:

1) War with Iran. It's coming, that's for sure.

2) A military draft. That'll happen before any war with Iran. In fact, that'll be one of the first things done, regardless of whether it's President Bush or President Kerry. The only reason it hasn't been done yet is because Bush knows a draft would cause him to lose the election. But you can bet the farm it's also on the way.

3) A long overdue tightening of the borders. Our borders with Mexico and Canada pose the single biggest threat to our safety.

Originally posted by Phoenix
Without even delving into UN reports and the fact that European countries aknowlegde these programs

- Hang on.

I challenge you to produce one European report that talks (in a manner other than specualtion or about 'potentials') about an actual Iranian weapons program.

I'll tell you now you cannot.

There's a lot of talk but no one has said anything beyond comments about where enriched uranium might lead to.

Iran says it's for efficient power production and the contrary position is that it could lead to actual weapons eventually. Both statements are true.

I do not believe anyone other than Americans (or Israelis) have seriously discussed Iran actaully having the bomb.

(they should know, selling tech for this)

- Iran's nuclear tech is American originally actually, not European. It was America that had the genius idea to supply nuclear tech to Iran originally, actually.

along with admissions by Khan of Pakistan

- Ah yes, the illicit nuclear program the US approved of.

Khan spoke about advanced technology that related to power production by the way, true it could be 'duel use' but then that was the point of having Iran agree to regular inspections. Which the US is trying as hard as it can to 'blow'.

one has to ask what on earth Iran is doing burying its facilities far underground which can be seen by all in satellite images.

- Maybe Iran has seen what happens to countries that make life easy for the US, disarm and still get attacked, devastated, possibly occupied and have US corporations come in and steal your natural resources in reparations for the war(s) they start.

You sir, are naive if you think Iran has no such program.

- .....and you 'Sir' may believe that they have such a program but you have absolutely no proof. You are just making groundless claims.

It might be different if Iran actually had a bomb. They do not. This is all about claims that they might start working on getting one, not even that they have and/or are threatening anyone with one.

Frankly I find your attitude that the US is telling the total truth and can do no wrong in these matters and that they aren't acting to an utterly selfish agenda laid out long ago (they wrote it all down, go read it) naive.

The best way IMO to provoke regional conflicts, instability and total mistrust is to carry on meddling, pressurising and even outright attacking. Oh look there're doing that and look what we all get in return. Who's really surprised?

Naive? What?

Yeah right.



[edit on 19-9-2004 by sminkeypinkey]