UFOs are Machine Intelligence

just let me create a little theory for your amusement. "pan spermia intentionalis":
They did those swarm of probes and want us to get them our feedback ,
when we grow enough to go to the probe fabric and appreciate the presents they left.

Speculation 1: Decent chance that probes and their owners are millions of years ahead of us .
At least the guys who programmed DNA in spiders did this process:
Probe checked in their database and said: "spiders can survive on earh , lets produce them".
Intelligent probes did that 51 millions ago .
Shall we be able to create a spider in 100, 1k,10k, 100k 1M years from now ? Yes, and if so...

Speculation 2: we are at least 50 millions years lagged from our ancestors.
Now consider a 50 million years advanced AI probe swarm with zillions of creatures DNA
in their database . I think they can auto-terraform whole solar systems through machines
operating in complete autonomy and creating adaptive flora and fauna from their stored database.
(Maybe on and off they come and see results).

Speculation 3: Bigger the sun higher the number of civilizations in planets orbiting around it.
That also gives redundancy in case of "meteorites or other ELE" and allows joint development
between close planets. Then probes could be voluntarily be deployed to be reverse engineered
and that would allow "cooperation" between unkown races.
--After all , if you teach me how to lite a fire I owe you a favor--.

Conclusion / bet :
if we are lucky and probes come from the highest civiliaztions who did pan spermia intentionalis...
i bet they come fom planets around the huge canis majoris star.

I have put much thought into this myself. I look at ufo's from our own space program and realized that they would do no different than us. Probes first! Maybe the ET's really are'nt that far ahead of us, it could be the reason people are seeing all types of craft. Our space probes have changed over the years why would'nt theirs.
Maybe they live somewhere with less gravity and Earth would debilitize them. Maybe they live with more gravity and they would be super strong here (like build pyramids with their own hands!). ISS has shown us that when cosmonaughts return from long stays in space Earths gravity is debilitating.

Everybody wonders why we see UFOs but not aliens

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Since when do people see UFOs but not aliens? There is also a large quantity of contact cases as well as just sightings.

Originally posted by masqua
Mod note:

Please post to the topic of the OP.... UFO's are Machine Intelligence.

A discussion on bacteria, as the seeds for spreading life, could be another thread.
Thanks

Originally posted by ZeskoWhirligan
My "bacterial" discussion is the ultimate end of the "machine intelligence" thesis. Sorry you don't see that.

Uhm... but up above you said: "I've already remarked on the UNLIKELIHOOD of "machine intelligence".... No, "machine intelligence" is NOT an advanced concept — it's a purely 20th Century technology sort of concept."

Maybe you need to better organize your ideas before continuing on? You do seem to be all over the place, and have certainly strayed from the UFO topic. (Fine with me, but... the mod is correct.)

Next item:.... You agree that biological life is limited by Darwinian evolution, which is a very slow process, right? So, if biological life were to pass a threshold and acquire the ability to create sentient machines (yes, "machines"... look up the word's definitions), then these 'machines' could at some point speed up that selection process merely through rapid trial and error processes and algorithms. It's a step beyond artificial selection, which is itself already much faster than natural selection, e.g. wolf -> chihuahua and great dane, by the hands of their artificial selectors: humans.) These artificial life forms could improve upon themselves thousands or millions of times more rapidly than could biological life. Unlike that biological life, these 'machines' are unencumbered by nucleotides and all of the other biological baggage!

So, how could anything having to do with purely biological life be "the ultimate end of the "machine intelligence" thesis"?

If, as you say, machine intelligence is "not an advanced concept," and you're talking simply of panspermia with respect to biological life... (which is itself certainly not new, and not really controversial anymore, is it?)... well, then what advanced concept should we be discussing?

Cybernetics and biological/artificial combinations definitely have a place in this discussion....

Originally posted by Morg234

Everybody wonders why we see UFOs but not aliens

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Since when do people see UFOs but not aliens? There is also a large quantity of contact cases as well as just sightings.

You do have a point, but to many people, there just isn't a single 'contact' case that is as significant and as corroborated as the strongest 'pure' UFO cases. At least not that I'm aware of. (Please... no, not Betty and Barney and that stinkin' star-map!)

Are there any multiple-witness / multiple-radar / multiple-viewpoint "alien being" cases? (haha)

Originally posted by Morg234

Everybody wonders why we see UFOs but not aliens

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Since when do people see UFOs but not aliens? There is also a large quantity of contact cases as well as just sightings.

I wonder how well verified these contact cases really are whereas many UFO cases are verified by radar and direct observation by civil and military pilots

I've seen the complex light variation's of an other-worlder starship, that is encased in certain power generated plasma fields; and I tend to think that no living organism, not even a robot, could exist in these plasma field's. Inside the starship, that is surrounded by the plasma field --- is another story ---- but why send a robot to do a intelligent biological organism's job.

An android.... that had a biological brain pattern installed inside it's mechanical brain housing? Maybe, but your talking about a highly advanced race at this point.

Everytime, I hear about robot's in total charge of an alien starship, I get "Terminator" red alerts going off, in my mental thought patterns. Nothing is perfect --- even for a robot --- that has had complex computer lines, installed into its rusty innards. If that robot.... decides to go bonkers, it could result in a unintended destruction of another world, be it our's or someone else's. If "that" something goes wrong, who pulls out the robot's plug?

I'm sure --- that the other-worlder's that visit our planet, have a number of some smaller harmless robotic probes. But, I for one, would believe that the other-worlder's would want to be in total "overide" control, of any computer run program inside their starship's.

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I have seen in real life, no other explanation, live alien beings. So your theory is shot Imo.

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So tell me please --- What do these other-worlder's look like?


Thanks,

Erno86

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OP I've had the thought that the UFOs are probes, or drones, also. It makes complete sense. The universe is a large place and you want to send out probes to scout for resources, signs of life, planets capable of colonization, and other things worthy of exploration. I would NOT be surprised if the gradual increase of these probes is because the civilization(s) they are connected to is(are) otw here. The increase is due to more interest in this world for whatever reason and therefore more data gathering about what is going on. I've said this to family and friends... 2012 will be a VERY action packed year even outside of extraterrestrials revealing themselves. Time will tell...

reply to post by wemadetheworld


UFOs are not evidence of Machine Intelligence by the simple fact that they are unidentified. You could better state that some UFOs may be that, or even claim that some strange observed craft was that...

Do not use UFO to point or illustrate defined and identified phenomena or crafts. You could even use flying saucer (even if today most UFOs that seem craft like are not saucer shaped) that would be better, or even coin UFM unidentified flying machine (since some UFOs seem mechanical in nature)...

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The best one I saw in full daylight was an amazing looking being.

You can read about my encounter here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by TeaAndStrumpets
Uhm... but up above you said: "I've already remarked on the UNLIKELIHOOD of "machine intelligence".... No, "machine intelligence" is NOT an advanced concept — it's a purely 20th Century technology sort of concept."

Maybe you need to better organize your ideas before continuing on? You do seem to be all over the place, and have certainly strayed from the UFO topic. (Fine with me, but... the mod is correct.)

Only "correct" in the sense that we shouldn't think OUTSIDE the box of the OP. No, when somebody proposes an absurd thesis — such as the Extraterrestrial Machine Intelligence thesis — I don't have to remain silent, much less confined to the absurd thesis.

Do YOU feel comfortable speaking ONLY about extraterrestrial machine intelligence? Machine intelligence is an oxymoron. I can speak at length about OUR use of machines, robots, and cyber-technology, because there is DATA to support that discussion.

Pardon, but there IS NO DATA to support a discussion of "extraterrestrial machine intelligence"... It's pure bunk, pure nonsense.

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Zesko....I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this. Although I am aware of Biomechanical suits....and I have no information about A.I. other than what has been discussed made by Humans. The concept of A.I. is a very likely scenario for an advanced E.T. Race.

Humans have probably already achieved A.I....but I think that this tech. is kept as a VERY deeply buried secret.
Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
The concept of A.I. is a very likely scenario for an advanced E.T. Race.

And I SPOKE to that scenario, but I took it to the PROBABLE eventuality... That the most efficient sort of engineering is on the BACTERIAL level.

If you want to disseminate your engineering technology over BILLIONS of years and TRILLIONS of miles, the most efficient means is by a genetically-engineered bacterium. My point was and is that BACTERIA are the most advanced sort of engineered interplanetary emissaries.

When I suggested this, the moderator jumped on my butt. Because I wasn't CONFINING my thoughts to the OP's preference.

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You have stated a viable concept. Of what little I know....the Greys as were the race involved in the Roswell incident and there were two crashes....were wearing some form of Biomechanical suits. They seemed to be directly grown around them as on witness said that their clothing appeared to be SPUN onto them rather that something that they could easily put on or take off.

This makes alot of sense since the probablity that they would be safe in our enviroment has odds that are too high and these suits are probably their advanced version of a space suit worn by our Astronauts.

There is actual U.S. Govermental documents and files available through the Freedom of Information act to verify this possibility. Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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You have stated a viable concept. Of what little I know....the Greys as were the race involved in the Roswell incident and there were two crashes....were wearing some form of Biomechanical suits.

I've never seen any documentation stating that Grays were involved in the Roswell Incident. I've seen anecdotal descriptions of the Roswell occupants, but there is nothing written about the "occupants" that predates 1957, some ten years AFTER the Roswell Incident.

The story EVOLVED over time. The original story never said ANYTHING about recovered bodies, it was all hardware and debris. The "bodies" part of the tale didn't manifest until years later, and the most critical part of that story — the NURSE encounter — conveniently disposed of the NURSE. In other words, the only person who presumably EXAMINED the bodies vanished from existence.

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This is a good theory. However its hard to say whether they contain entities or they are only unmanned probes from an advanced civilization. Majority of the UFO encounters points to beings contained within the crafts.

Like in the case of Roswell, it is said that the beings were floating in liquid-like substance inside the craft and that they themselves were part of the craft. And there are countless cases where subjects experienced close encounters with these beings. I am of the opinion that some are unmanned and are monitoring and watching over the other nosy civilizations. The disabling of the nukes lends some credibility to this idea.Who or what is actually behind the scenes just gives me goosebumps.

Originally posted by ZeskoWhirligan

Do YOU feel comfortable speaking ONLY about extraterrestrial machine intelligence? Machine intelligence is an oxymoron. I can speak at length about OUR use of machines, robots, and cyber-technology, because there is DATA to support that discussion.

Pardon, but there IS NO DATA to support a discussion of "extraterrestrial machine intelligence"... It's pure bunk, pure nonsense.

edit on 5-1-2012 by ZeskoWhirligan because: (no reason given)

Well then why do you keep trying to take over this thread

You have been derailing this thread from the beginning

Go ahead and start your own thread about bacteria

Originally posted by wemadetheworld
Well then why do you keep trying to take over this thread

You have been derailing this thread from the beginning

Go ahead and start your own thread about bacteria

Hey, if YOU had an interesting topic to begin with, I wouldn't be infringing upon it. You tried to chase me out with a moderator, and I readily complied. Then other posters inquired about my posts, and I responded. I'm not "derailing" your silly thread... I'm responding to INTELLIGENT discussion.

I'll ask you THIS, just one time... Do you want me IN or want me OUT of your discussion?