7500 Year Old Toy Car and World's Oldest Title Deed

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


I wonder who the 'other' archaeologist is... however I had a thought: Perhaps we see it as a tractor, when perhaps it became misshapen during it's baking process? I'm thinking fluke....

I'm not convinced it's a fluke. I read about all manner of artefacts unearthed through the years, which pointed to a far more advanced technology from thousands of years ago than our standard history books can explain. Sadly, I can't quote more information on those, because they were in a book that I leant out and never got back.

I've tried Googling, and come up with a few interesting items (I've not searched to check if they've been discussed here before)...

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Howdy Toffee

Originally posted by Toffeeapple
I'm not convinced it's a fluke. I read about all manner of artefacts unearthed through the years, which pointed to a far more advanced technology from thousands of years ago than our standard history books can explain. Sa
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Those eight items in your link have been debunk or explained for decades but they live on in internet! Some are just misinterpreted, some are real items which point to the actual level of ancient technology and some are a frauds. # 7 are fake, 1 & 2 are real, the rest are real but misinterpreted

I would say chairiot. Or one of those rolling back massagers.

Seriously, wondered if it was used to make measurements.

reply to post by Hanslune


Thanks for that.

That's why I wish I hadn't leant that book out - there was loads of stuff in it that I hadn't verified. Half the fun's trying to determine fact from fiction!

Originally posted by Toffeeapple
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Thanks for that.

That's why I wish I hadn't leant that book out - there was loads of stuff in it that I hadn't verified. Half the fun's trying to determine fact from fiction!

Hey that's how most Anthropologist and Archaeologist get there start, reading fringe and saying to themselves, huh? - then searching for the answers. Let us know if you come across anything interesting or what you cannot explain or find a reasonable answer for.

Have a good search

Great find OP... My question is I thought that scientists and archeologists have said that. the wheel was not invented at that time!?!

Can anyone confirm that?

I doubt they took the time, to make toys for kids in such manner back then.

Maybe, maybe not. All we think we know about ancient cultures is based on interpretation of inevitably intermittent data.
But that's a moot point, anyway, as I would suggest it could have been a replica made for offering (ceremonial) purposes.

Anyway, of course it looks like a car. What else is a car if not a chariot (only covered and motor-propelled)?
And chariots, like others have said, were common in Mesopotamia.

Sure, it still could be a hoax, but if it isn't, it wouldn't exactly be inexplicable.
It would be a very nice and important find, though.

One thing in common with all these toy/model carts or chariots is the hole at the front, to draw it along with a string or stick.

I'm sorry but can someone post me a picture of ANY chariot with four wheels from that time?? I'm sure they all where two wheeled.

looks like a "temple toy". they've been made throughout the region since forever, though 7500 years seems a bit of a stretch. most temple toys were animals on wheels that were pulled along with a string. parents gave them to kids to play with while they went to temple/church/pray etc...

Holy cow that front end is so high it could have been a

early gasser.

But probably a chariot .

Originally posted by Sakrateri
I'm sorry but can someone post me a picture of ANY chariot with four wheels from that time?? I'm sure they all where two wheeled.

Posted earlier images of four wheeled chariots/carts

Earlier post

I'm positive they got the idea from Fred!

There seems to be at least a little bit of fudging of data..

From a separate article

This is Mesut's workplace and he can't conceal a note of pride when he shows off some of the exhibits. Pointing to a child's toy that resembles a stone tractor, he says he found it in a local villager's home. It was still being used as a plaything by the kids who had dug it up in the family plot. The "tractor" is at least 5,000 years old.

Seems to contradict both age and the statement

which were unearthed several months ago during excavations in the Kiziltepe district of the southeastern province of Mardin

link

Archaeologists aren't above a little massaging of data for some self promotion I'm sure

reply to post by needlenight

I doubt they took the time, to make toys for kids in such manner back then. My money is on some sort of tool.

I'll see you, and raise you a whole bag of "what?!"
Children play. Children have always played. Adults learn sklls. (Although not all adults learn skills, ALL children play). Why would adults who were skilled in stonework, or engineering, NOT make toys for kds to play with? Usually their kids were expected to carry on the business...they might look for inherited talents...

"Ah, my boy likes to watch me make chariots! I shall, in my spare time, make him a small chariot. This will further his interest and encourage him to explore the trade more."

You don't know much about the ancients, I guess.
But that's okay. You fold? Or you wanna up the ante?

reply to post by davespanners


Yeah, I think there are lots of fakes out there. It would seem that at the time of discovery, this would have been all over the media because if it's true, it's pretty awesome. I want to see the dolly, pics of excavation site, other artifacts etc.

Also, keep in mind that just because it's a miniature doesn't necessarily mean it was a "toy". It might have been a prototype, which is and always has been a part of R&D. The inventor or creative genius would make a small unit to see if it worked before indulging precious time, materials, and effort into a "life size" one.

Same as architects do today: They build a small version of it. A 3-D proposal that can be tested.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by needlenight

 

I doubt they took the time, to make toys for kids in such manner back then. My money is on some sort of tool.

I'll see you, and raise you a whole bag of "what?!"
Children play. Children have always played. Adults learn sklls. (Although not all adults learn skills, ALL children play). Why would adults who were skilled in stonework, or engineering, NOT make toys for kds to play with? Usually their kids were expected to carry on the business...they might look for inherited talents...

"Ah, my boy likes to watch me make chariots! I shall, in my spare time, make him a small chariot. This will further his interest and encourage him to explore the trade more."

You don't know much about the ancients, I guess.
But that's okay. You fold? Or you wanna up the ante?

I simply believe(note believe, I could be as wrong as I could be right, none of us really know, nor will we ever know for sure) But I believe that instead of having the kids play, to learn or get interrested in a trade. Their father would simply have the child learn the trade, directly from them starting at a very young age.
We dont have to go back more than a few hundred years, for this to be common. Back then was hard times, where everyone had to work hard to secure that city/village had the ressources they needed. And by everyone, I mean even the kids.

Originally posted by Sakrateri
Here is a bigger picture and if I didn't know any better I would say this thing was made recently and not with rock but paper mache

It's actually part of a vertebra of something. They added (the museum) wooden dowels to the "car wheels" .. making me wonder just how it was placed when they found it. The wheels also appear to be weathered bone (sort of. I'm not immediately certain where the bone would have been cut to give this shape... it's not femur slices, for instance.)