UFO design

reply to post by zorgon


ZORG...of what little I know...E.T. would never offer up high tech. data to any group. A group such as the Nazis may have recovered a downed E.T. craft...but this is like a Neantertal trying to figure out a Smart Phone....they wouldn't have the ability to use the tech. unless the craft was captured intact and in working condition.

Even today...as advanced as many groups in the U.S. are tech. wise...and believe me....the level of advancement in comparison to any other country is at such a gap that the mear aknowledgement of the U.S. having these abilities would or could possibly start a WAR!

The Russians know about our tech. as they sold out at a VERY HIGH PRICE...their E.T. programs. The Russians will for the sake of not looking like a patsy or subservient to the U.S....make public statements about building up their military but contrary to public perception....the Russians and the U.S. are alot closer in cooperation than most think. It is all rhetoric and there is never going to be a U.S/Russia military confrontation.

The issue that could be a problem but is at this very moment being solved is China and it's relationship with North Korea. A High Ranking Chinese Military General was invited in 2011 to watch and observe U.S. Military tactics and war excercises. The General was stunned and much to the anger of the Communist leadership publicly told reporters of many countries that China was no threat to the U.S. and that China was DECADES behind and then said these words..."I was saddened after watching the American Military practice and thought of how inferior in both weapons and training our soldiers are...we have a long way to go and the tech. gap is so wide that we would have to spend rediculous amounts of money trying to catch up which...because of the greatness of the gap...is not monetarily possible or practicle."

This does not even take into account tech. that the U.S. has developed from E.T. sources that will NEVER BE MADE PUBLIC. This invitation was an effort to make the Chinese Military inform their leadership to do something about North Korea. The danger is that Chinese Communists will out of ego...defend N. Korea in the event it does something stupis such as bomb S. Korea. China needs us as a trading partner and even though we owe them money...you can't collect payments on a loan from a country you are at war with.

In the event of a N.Korean missle launch or Nuclear attack...the U.S. has adequate Home Grown tech. to handle shooting down anything they could throw at us....the possible use of Super Advanced Military tech. would come if the North attempted a mass attack on the South. The South would suffer if the U.S. retaliated with Nukes so there is a plan to render N.Korean Military war machine useless in this event with non-nuclear weapons.

Split Infinity

reply to post by zorgon


Does the design work? If so lets build it. Make sure you don't forget the food for a picnic on saturns rings

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Did you get this source from the web or from an actual document that wasn't downloaded from the web. Did you hack in to the Chinese secret service or something. If you found that put on the web than have a study of all their other articles and see if they're bogus or not. One of my reliable sources is paranormal daily news because they don't have multiple conspiracy theories on that site. Their articles are actually pretty interesting

Originally posted by Truthseeker45
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Did you get this source from the web or from an actual document that wasn't downloaded from the web. Did you hack in to the Chinese secret service or something. If you found that put on the web than have a study of all their other articles and see if they're bogus or not. One of my reliable sources is paranormal daily news because they don't have multiple conspiracy theories on that site. Their articles are actually pretty interesting

The visit by the Chinese General was covered fairly well by multiple media sources so you can google that easily. As far as speculation over the timing of the invite as well as what the General said is also available.

As for the true purpose of the invitation...there is many speculations on the web but one true reality. Because of the Proximity of North Koreas military DMZ and massive artillery....use of Nukes would rain radiation down on the South so a more unconvetional concept of advanced tech. use is in the plans. Split Infinity

Anyway. Back to the topic. Is there anybody out there that has another theory? Perhaps something we haven't heard of yet?

Originally posted by Truthseeker45
Does the design work? If so lets build it. Make sure you don't forget the food for a picnic on saturns rings

My team has been working on a design for a four seater

But the real problem is not propulsion, its a navigator. Sure from Saturn it's not so bad getting there and back but consider leaving the solar system...

The Earth MOVES... this we all know, yes... but very few people actually stop to think what that means... or just how fast you are moving (and how far) while you sit in your computer chair. The following figures are approximate but close...

1. The Earth "wobbles" on its polar axis. This motion is not relevant (IMO) to the calculations needed to return to earth from interstellar space as it is an "in situ" motion, but it exists.

2. The Earth revolves [spins] on its axis. For these calculations we will use the equator with a circumference of approx. 25,000 miles. One rotation of Earth is approx. 24 hours. Again this is "in situ" motion so not relevant to space travel, but adds to our "stationary chair" model
25000/24 =1041.7 MPH

3. The Earth is orbiting the Sun once a year. The circumference of the Earth's orbit is approx. 607.6 million miles [or 940 million kilometers]. One year is approx. 365 days
365 days X 24 = 8760 hours
607,600,000/8760 = 69,360.73 MPH

So far we have basically 3 Directions of Motion [Wobble, Spin and Orbit] and a combined speed of 1041.70 + 69,360.73 = 70,402.43 MPH for a person sitting in a chair at the Equator.
[Note: We will do the actual vector calculations at the end]

The following source gives more detail and a more precise calculation based on your latitude and more exact figures. Anyone dizzy yet? A little motion sickness perhaps?

NASA - What is the speed of the Earth?

When you take into account the three-dimensional picture of the Sun's movement through our Milky Way Galaxy, things get very complicated.

4. The sun [and hence the solar system] is moving towards the constellation Hercules, namely to the star Lambda Herculis at 12 miles per second [or 20 kilometers per second] which is 43,200 MPH

5. The Solar system is also moving upwards, at 90 degrees to the plane of the Milky Way, at 4.34 miles per second or 15,624 MPH. But we are actually leaving the Galaxy, out about 50 light years now and will be moving out to 250 light years before it reverses. Details of the mechanics of this are explained in the link below. We also crossed the Galactic plane 2 million years ago.

6. The Solar system is orbiting around the Galaxy at an "estimated" speed of 124 miles per second [or 200 kilometers per second] which is 446,400 MPH. The way that figure has been calculated can be found at the link below.

Stanford University - What is the speed of the Solar System?

This is where finding our way home becomes difficult, as we do NOT have an actual true figure for this calculation. The further out we go, taking into account the various motions and speed, the more difficult it becomes to get precise calculations ergo the more room for error. Until we can actually go and measure the distances, a "best guess" is all we have. Over the past few decades these values have been revised several times, and are constantly being added to today.

From an Astronomer's point of view this is not a problem, as they are merely observing from Earth and can fix their calculations when they get new data… no harm done… just reprint the maps.

BUT from a spaceship pilot point of view…touring just within our own galaxy… the problems are enormous.

From a navigator's point of view, we can leave out the "wobble" and the Earth's rotation as those movements are "in place". For later calculations we could also leave out the Earth orbiting the Sun, because if we can make it back to the Sun, I am sure we can locate Earth.

So our "armchair Astronaut" is now moving through 6 different directions and a combined speed of approximately 574,585 MPH

69,361 MPH Spin and Orbit
43,200 MPH Towards Lambda Herculis
15,624 MPH Perpendicular to Galactic Plane
446,400 MPH Orbiting the Galactic Center [or Galactic Spin Rate]
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574,585 MPH Speed of Earth within Our Galaxy

So for every hour you are away from the solar system, your planet is moving half a million miles, and in several directions…

Now if you want to leave the galaxy add another 1,339,200 MPH to the calculations. This is the speed the galaxy is moving through the universe. But THEN you really get into difficulties pin pointing you reference point. Details can be found here…

So you see… the propulsion unit is the least of your worries….
You better have a REALLY GOOD NAVIGATOR.

NASA - What is the Speed of our Galaxy?

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Oh and about that vector calculation thing? …
Forget it I have a headache! …
Go ask a rocket scientist! ...

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JOB: Provide Accurate measurements and vector details for the Scientific Explanation
PAY: The Satisfaction that comes from sharing your knowledge.

reply to post by zorgon


You handle the ship and make sure it works and I'll learn programming and design the navigation. Anyway how do you design a starship that will work?

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Here's my personal favourite. The Adamski class Tri-Arcuate EHD Flying Saucer, coming soon to a garage near you.

reply to post by petrus4


I'm laughing my head off down under. Nice joke, this is serious.

The best explanation for dragon’s fire was from the movie Reign of Fire, where the dragon’s two type’s venom dripped from the two front fangs, as the dragon exhaled the two different venoms/ chemicals mixed causing a reaction.

And on the UFO, I think its matter and antimatter technology.

Love and harmony
Whateva

It could be a mix of all these technologies in case one system fails.

Originally posted by zorgon
So you see… the propulsion unit is the least of your worries….
You better have a REALLY GOOD NAVIGATOR.

Indeed! Because all of space is constantly on the move, if you wanted to accurately get from one place to another, you might need to know where everything in the universe was at any given time, and where it was expected to be in a specific time frame, in order to accurately navigate. Sounds like a pretty huge undertaking. You might be able to get away with just knowing the immediate vicinity (galaxy, etc.,) but that's still a lot of information that has to go into calculations. That means some pretty hefty computers - since I don't think any organic brain could (or would want to) handle that kind of math fast.

Alternatively, perhaps there are other reference points that could be used to navigate. For instance, when I drive to another city, I'm not navigating based on its coordinates, I'm following a road. The oldest roads followed the places where other things (namely water) had gone before, in the path of least resistance. Perhaps some sort of pathway exists in the universe - paths of least resistance, that could be utilized for travel over distances, thus keeping the navigation factor to knowing where you are on the path, and knowing how to get from your path to your destination.

reply to post by errihu


You mean wormholes right?

Because that sounds like a wormhole to me.

reply to post by Truthseeker45


It could be wormholes. Or it could take a form we haven't yet theorized. Wormholes would work, if they exist.

One question we could ask is "does anything in space flow?" If paths of least resistance exist, they would exist in places where anything flows. If we can find evidence of flow, we could find ways to use it as a pathway.

I don't know much about wormholes other than what I've read in science fiction like David Weber's books, so I don't know where to find one in 'real life' if they exist at all. In sci fi they seem to be placed randomly around space. Perhaps if they exist in reality they exist in places where flows meet.

reply to post by errihu


Then let's find ourselves some flows. Instead of sitting here not doing anything. Lets do something that will help us get into space and fly through it. There's a lot out there that we don't know about but that doesn't mean that we can tick this off the list of things we don't know