Why is it "so" important for Christians to confess Jesus as their Lord?

reply to post by sacgamer25


Thanks for the response!

You know, the more I read from you the more I see that my beliefs are actually very similar to yours.

My whole purpose in life, as I see it is to spread happiness to others.. I see myself at the bottom of the ladder if you like, other people's needs and happiness come above mine, mind you, that is not to say I'm self deprecating, I value myself on a level with everyone else, we're all of equal value but I do like to put others first in all things (That can annoy a lot of people haha )

I don't believe that just because people go to church, pray, evangelize, declare a saviour etc etc it gives them any moral supriority to judge others, in fact, from what I understood from the Bible, judgement is God's alone and anyone who judged was sinning.

I do however believe in the words attributed to Jesus very seriously, that is we should love one another, not judge, nuture each other, look after each other... If we were all to look after others, logically someone will be looking after me, so I wouldn't need to worry about anything more than looking after others (which is kind of my motivation for the deeds I do) if we could all do that the world would be Heaven on Earth would it not?!

Hmm... I'm having some very deep thoughts about all this now and your posts have opened some very intersting ideas for me to ponder on.

I thankyou for that.

reply to post by Mister_Bit

I see myself at the bottom of the ladder if you like, other people's needs and happiness come above mine, mind you, that is not to say I'm self deprecating, I value myself on a level with everyone else, we're all of equal value but I do like to put others first in all things (That can annoy a lot of people haha )

Outstanding!

My mantra is "I am third."

1. God
2. Other people
3. Me

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Careful with claiming Christ is our Redeemer, JM will run to start a trolling thread about you claiming you will go to Hell.

Jesus redeemed the world, that is biblical.
What you do is create your own definition for redemption where you apply it in a individual way that is not biblical.

BS, Jesus is my "personal Savior" meaning, I rely on Him personally and completely to save me. That His death was all-sufficient for the redemption of mankind. I trust in Christ, and in Him alone. I've clarified this numerous times.

I trust in no one other than Jesus Christ and in Him alone.

In keeping with the Trinitarian thought I introduced in my initial post on this thread, I ask, "But not God the Father? And, Not the Holy Spirit?"

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by IblisLucifer

 

You may want to consider a schizophrenic universe where god and man must make do and there is no Satan but just the down-side of reality where we have to unify with God to exist in a meaningful way and take advantage of the better aspects of what may be expected.

Devil is the other half or "live" backwards-"evil"

Satan means adversary
which is not the same as ones Rivals-who are on their team but competing for the top spot
or their Enemy-who must be completely destroyed or they themselves will be destroyed by it.

When someone shows mercy to those they have defeated how they show this mercy depend on who they are and how you achieved victory

Rivals will be rewarded or punished but forgiven of all transgressions except treachery for all traitors are enemies

Enemies must be destroyed or they will destroy you mercy to an enemy whose been defeated and captured is the mercy of a quick death that is merciful and kind if they are truly your enemy

But an Adversary is different for they can be both an enemy to the group and/or a rival within it to show mercy to a true adversary once defeated is to spare them and their life because adversaries demand respect

If you don't respect them they will defeat you they are the one that push us force us to get better stronger and more cunning in our strategy to beat them in our struggle against one another
what would life be like without an adversary to go against what are you?

Batman and the Joker the Joker doesn't want to kill batman that's easy he wants to defeat him to infinity and beyond

In WW2 Patton's chief rival/adversary to a point was Montgomery, His enemy/adervsary was Rommel,
Patton lived to battle the desert fox its his heaven do you think he wanted Rommel dead ?
No, Hitler he wanted dead

But Rommel he wanted to fight and defeat not destroyed if he could he would fight him forever not to eliminate him, but just to beat him.

Same like Napoleon and Archduke Charles in battle,
in sports Ali vs. Frazier fights or Yankees vs. Redsox games, ManU vs. ManCity football
or
even in tennis Federer vs. Nadal matches
im not that big into tennis
but when The Isner–Mahut match happened at the 2010 Wimbledon Championships
I saw some of the beginning because theirs else nothing on left went to the bar drank came back, fell asleep and then woke up in the morning and their still playing that match which i was glued to it

John Isner defeated Nicolas Mahut after 11 hours, 5 minutes of play over three days, with a final score of 6–4, 3–6, 6–7(7–9), 7–6(7–3), 70–68 for a total of 183 games each served over 100 aces, the match being referred to as "the endless match" i don't know or care who won Wimbledon but i could watch those to battle one another forever it was epic. One beat the other but those 2 will always want a play rubber match
Its what a true competitor wants, they need to win but they want to face-off with the best
because to be the best you have to play the best

The Cheyenne Indians refer to the Adversary as the 'Great Trickster', for the Adversary uses deception and trickery in attempting to achieve its goals.

People can call Bill Belichick a cheater all they want for Spygate because of videotaping New York Jets' defensive coaches' signals during a September 9, 2007 game from a sideline location Belichick said he believed he was operating within the rules as long as the tape was not used during the same game.

Sure its cheating but its damn smart cheating if you ask me
If you cant respect that then your just going to whine about it and let it beat you
If your a clever coach you need to figure out hes doing this an use that against his team giving him falls signals so they blitz and you go deep for the win their is no greater victory until you play him again and know this that a true adversary will always find new ways to defeat you but that how we both get better
I would be nothing without it.

reply to post by IblisLucifer

"live" backwards-"evil"

You just can't have a universe where somehow everything is "good" from your personal point of view.
A deer loves living in the forest and the meadow, right up until the tiger eats it, who in turn thinks the forest and the meadow is a great place to live.

Originally posted by Mister_Bit
reply to post by sacgamer25

 

You know, the more I read from you the more I see that my beliefs are actually very similar to yours.

Mark that down for two of us brother. I am really glad I started the thread. I have learned a ton from him. He's a good teacher.

My whole purpose in life, as I see it is to spread happiness to others.. I see myself at the bottom of the ladder if you like, other people's needs and happiness come above mine, mind you, that is not to say I'm self deprecating, I value myself on a level with everyone else, we're all of equal value but I do like to put others first in all things

You made me think of something. I have spent most of my life looking "up" to people or "down" to people. It was very difficult for me to stay at the same level as people and just look in their eyes. My ego plays a lot of games with me. Believe it or not, that is one of the biggest rewards I took out of this thread. I just see people now. Pretty amazing when I stop judging, put their needs before my own, and realize they are just me in other clothes. Now it doesn't bother me when people look down on me at all, and it makes me uncomfortable when they look up to me. That use to be the other way around.

Hmm... I'm having some very deep thoughts about all this now and your posts have opened some very interesting ideas for me to ponder on.

LOL...he certainly has a way of doing that huh?

reply to post by Frira

In keeping with the Trinitarian thought I introduced in my initial post on this thread, I ask, "But not God the Father? And, Not the Holy Spirit?"

I consider God to be One. God saves in the person and work of His Son Jesus Christ by the power of His Holy Spirit. We Trinitarians are not polytheists. Christ is our "go'el", our kinsman redeemer. Trusting in the person and work of the Son is not a denial of the roles of the Father or the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Frira

 

In keeping with the Trinitarian thought I introduced in my initial post on this thread, I ask, "But not God the Father? And, Not the Holy Spirit?"

I consider God to be One. God saves in the person and work of His Son Jesus Christ by the power of His Holy Spirit. We Trinitarians are not polytheists. Christ is our "go'el", our kinsman redeemer. Trusting in the person and work of the Son is not a denial of the roles of the Father or the Holy Spirit.

You are talking about an Old Testament concept which is used sometimes to refer to the role of God towards His people but it is not used to describe a payment being made to ransom them, He just does it because he feels like it and can do it.
The term of redeemer is not used in the New Testament to describe Jesus, though there is the concept that a redemption has happened for the world. So it is not alluding to Jesus as being that base level family member type redeemer but it is comparing Jesus and his work to the work of The Lord in the OT in things like bringing Israel up from Egypt, as a release from captivity, in our case that would be referring to being freed from the old Law that disqualified us from being sons of God.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Everything in the OT an the NT points to the person and work of Christ. Everything is a type and shadow of what is to come. The example of Boaz and Ruth. Boaz was her kinsman redeemer, her "go'el". Christ became a man and died for us as our kinsman redeemer. He is our Boaz, we the body of Christ, are His Ruth.

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39


(The "scriptures" Christ was speaking of is the OT, when He said that there was no such thing as the NT books of the Bible.)

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Everything is a type and shadow of what is to come.

No it's not and you are listening to some really bad propaganda if you think so.
It's a book (the O.T.), ok?
It tells stories about a lot of different things but nothing in it is expressly about Jesus.

Christ became a man and died for us as our kinsman redeemer.

Someone just made that up because it never says that.

He is our Boaz, we the body of Christ, are His Ruth.

Again, someone's fantasy that they talked about in a YouTube video that you think sounds cool so you are repeating it.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Get over your hatred and grow up. If you miss Jesus in the OT that isn't my problem, nor do I care.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Get over your hatred and grow up. If you miss Jesus in the OT that isn't my problem, nor do I care.

Translation: "I can make all the wild claims I want and am exempt from ever having to produce one shread of evidence to support them and in fact am free to just insult anyone who dares to disagree with me by calling them ignorant haters."

reply to post by jmdewey60


Yeah, you're right JM, that's precisely what I said. *rolls eyes*

One telltale sign of modern-day Judaizers and wolves is that they continually are all about an anti-theology against someone else instead of a pro-theology about the person and work of Jesus.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

One telltale sign of modern-day Judaizers and wolves is that they continually are all about an anti-theology against someone else instead of a pro-theology about the person and work of Jesus.

And I suppose this is why you have a signature which reads, "I Hate Religion".

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

One telltale sign of modern-day Judaizers and wolves is that they continually are all about an anti-theology against someone else instead of a pro-theology about the person and work of Jesus.

And I suppose this is why you have a signature which reads, "I Hate Religion".

You, like everything else, refuse to watch the video to understand why I say that. It's because I reject the notion that Christianity is simply another "religon". You love to "answereth a matter before you hear it", which is a folly and shame on your part. If you'd take the time to actually watch it you'd learn that it's not attacking Christ whatsoever, but attacking religious hypocrites who worship their own man-made rules and rituals and not the Living Savior.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Jesus IS the only one deserving eternal life, but that is why the gift to us is an 'undeserved' kindness. we can only repay God with what we have, which is a dying body. We cannot EARN eternal life, no matter how many good things we do.We are all dying. Jesus repaid to God the perfect life that Adam had, & lost. It was the ransom, the exact repayment so that the balance is redressed.Jesus was sent to save us, but he wanted to do it. He especially liked 'The Sons of Man'.. So although the 1st parents were Adam & Eve, we can choose instead to be son's of Jesus. It is a very big thing in the Bible that Jesus is like His Father God, & for us to be 'Sons of Jesus, in a spiritual sense, we need to behave as he did. God loves ALL of mankind, but we have to know & use his name to be friends with him. All relationships need cultivation, & it takes time to know God. But Jesus came so that we could know God, & have the same choice A & E had: Follow God's laws, or not. They chose not to, & this world now, is the result of the 1st rebellion. God has let us carry on our merry way without him. disaster followed. Jesus is the only name given By God that can save us.

reply to post by jmdewey60

"I can make all the wild claims I want and am exempt from ever having to produce one shread of evidence to support them and in fact am free to just insult anyone who dares to disagree with me by calling them ignorant haters."

I suggested you research "Christophanies" in the OT a while ago, you brushed that off remember? You could have bought a book on ebay amazon or somethin. Anyways..

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." Proverbs 18:13

Here is a freebie:


Which LORD God "appeared" and talked "face to face" with Abraham in Genesis chapter 18 if Jesus says that "no man" has seen the Father at any time, that He is a spirit? Then also says, "Before Abraham was, I AM!"?

reply to post by honestyblaze

Jesus IS the only one deserving eternal life, but that is why the gift to us is an 'undeserved' kindness.

This sounds like to me you are supporting the concept of imparted righteousness, where somehow, when you proclaim your belief in Jesus, God gives you Jesus' righteousness, where now you are all of a sudden righteous because God just miraculously made you righteous.

we can only repay God with what we have, which is a dying body.

What is this? Do you think that since God gave you life, then you are now obligated to pay God for that privilege of being alive?

We cannot EARN eternal life, no matter how many good things we do.

Why does God give us a brief lifetime instead of eternal life to start with? Why should we be in the position to be wondering if we could somehow attain something we think we should have been given anyway?

We are all dying.

Not because of something we did ourselves so if we have a lack of a good life it is because God made us inferior.

Jesus repaid to God the perfect life that Adam had, & lost.

This presupposes that God demands to be paid for our life, and how could our life be a payment if it already belonged to God to start with? Or are you saying that Jesus produced labor for God and his work was in exchange for be given life?

It was the ransom, the exact repayment so that the balance is redressed.

Who is holding us ransom and is demanding payment for us to be released, is it God because this is what you seem to be saying? What is this ballance you are talking about, is it a higher order law of the universe which God Himself has to satisfy and has no other option than to conform and abide by this higher law?

Jesus was sent to save us, but he wanted to do it.

Jesus would have had to have been God, himself, in order to carry this out, to be looking down from this high place and observing us and making a decision of what to do about it and then have the power to carry out his wishes.

He especially liked 'The Sons of Man'.

Where God did not?

So although the 1st parents were Adam & Eve, we can choose instead to be son's of Jesus.

You seem to be the designated prophet for a new religion to replace the old father for a new father. In other words, you are the new Messiah to proclaim the revelation through you of the true God, previously unknown to man.

It is a very big thing in the Bible that Jesus is like His Father God, & for us to be 'Sons of Jesus, in a spiritual sense, we need to behave as he did.

I see nothing of the kind in the Bible and it is news to me that Jesus is our father and we are supposed to become his sons.

God loves ALL of mankind, but we have to know & use his name to be friends with him.

You just made God completely irrelevant so why do we need to know His name at this point?

All relationships need cultivation, & it takes time to know God.

And what would be the purpose of this since according to you, we already have a perfect relationship with Jesus who is now our God?

But Jesus came so that we could know God, & have the same choice A & E had: Follow God's laws, or not.

So now we can live perfect, sinless lives right now?

They chose not to, & this world now, is the result of the 1st rebellion.

I thought that according to the Bible, The Lord cursed the world so it is really because of Him and not anything we did.

God has let us carry on our merry way without him.

The Bible says he is constantly tormenting us and tying to kill us and causing catastrophes to make life miserable for us.

disaster followed.

Disasters God brought.

Jesus is the only name given By God that can save us.

The name itself does not save us but through the person who he is, we know the will of God, which is to try to be good people.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

. . . suggested you research "Christophanies" in the OT . . .

I would like to remind you that I am currently, and have been all my life, a Seventh Day Adventist and much like the Jehovah's Witnesses, believe that Jesus was the archangel Michael, so I don't need to do any research into "Christophanies", though, as usual, you are not even talking about, not only what I was talking about, but not even what you were talking about that I was commenting on, which was prophecies about the coming Jesus, and nothing was being discussed about appearances of Jesus as another person in OT stories.