Obama signs defense bill despite 'reservations'

Well the police should arrest him for treason. Oh my but I forgot 125 IQ is way too high for the police, they're capped low.

reply to post by Kali74


Wow, didn't he also say his administration would stop interfering with medical cannabis? Riiiiight. Isn't it awesome how much bipartisan cooperation there is when they're passing legislation to take away our liberties?

Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by Kali74

 

Wow, didn't he also say his administration would stop interfering with medical cannabis? Riiiiight. Isn't it awesome how much bipartisan cooperation there is when they're passing legislation to take away our liberties?

I agree, it takes them years to pass a budget, but two months to pass martial law legislation. Intresting, it looks like the agenda is clear folks.

Question, Did not John McCain learn anything while being a guest at the Hanoi Hilton ? If I did'nt know better, I'd say this guy was brain-washed by the North and programed to start working on dis-arming the US citizenry and sponser treason-laced bills. At this point I do not care how offensive my statement is. What he's doing is not for the benefit of the country, it's for evil.

He had reservations about the military detention but he was going to veto it if the military detention was not in it. Welcome to 1984.

This should be NO surprise to anyone here, tptb want there bill they will get there bill, its as simple as that.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

I think for the first time in my adult life I won't be voting for a presidential candidate. The provisions in the defense budget did not need to be there, stripping away a citizens right to a trial whether he intends to enforce that or not does not make America one bit safer.

That's a pretty stupid (not you personally) reason to not vote, as not voting could make it ALOT worse this time because NOT voting is going to be a free ride back in for Obama. Voting this time is more important than ever. And based o n why you say you're not voting, the only person you should even consider voting for is Ron Paul. If Obama gets back in, our freedoms don't have a chance of coming back. Dr. Paul will give us many of our god given rights back in his first term.

Don't hold your breath on Obama's promise that his administration will not use the provision for indefinite detention of U.S. citizens. His track record of saying one thing and doing the opposite should give you a strong clue as to what he will actually do.

What could be more Orwellian than a politician who says "I'm gonna sign this tyrannical power into law, but don't worry your intellectually challenged llittle heads people, we will never use it.

reply to post by Larry L


Normally I would agree with you, I've gotten pissed many times over people not voting because they feel it won't make a difference. I'm conflicted about it and will probably be a wreck on election day, I've always been so political. This time I just feel like morally there's isn't anyone I can give my vote to. I guess I could write in someone...

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I used to think that way too, but the 2000 election changed my mind. If the non voters would have supported Mr. Gore, there may have been a "President Gore". We need to show Congress and President Obama that they are not doing the will of the People. As for me, I think Dr. Paul the only moral, ethical, and fiscal option.

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The fact that this bill is now law should surprise no one. What surprises me, I guess, is the total lack of interest from the MSM and the apathetic public. My congressman and both of my senators voted for this bill.....all three a mix of republicans and democrats. I will NOT vote for ANY incumbant at a federal level this year due to the fact that this bill even made it to the desk of the POTUS. I am completely disgusted with those in Washington. Our only hope is that this will be struck down by the SCOTUS. That will probably take years unfortunately.

He did not hesitate to assassinate a citizen of the United States WITHOUT due process. He WILL NOT hesitiate to arrest and detain you indefinatey with out due process over some perceived threat....like having a Ron Paul sticker on your car.

The founders are either crying or laughing at our dumb asses for putting into power those who are there.

Originally posted by rubbertramp

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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Imagine what Obama can do with this Power to his Political Rivals . Destroy their Careers and KILL any Resistance to his Policies..........In short , he becomes Americas first Caesar ..............

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ther is alot more than just this latest fiasco.

Obama Authorizes International Assassination Campaign
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ShareThe Obama administration has quietly put into practice an ‘incomplete idea’ left over from the Bush II presidency: creating a de facto ‘presidential international assassination program.’ Court documents, evidence offered by Human Rights Watch and a special United Nations report allege that US citizens suspected of encouraging “terror” had been put on “death lists.” These reports say Obama’s Director of National Intelligence assured a congressional hearing that the program was within the rights of the executive branch of the government and did not need to be revealed. At least two people are known to have been murdered by Central Intelligence Agency operatives under the program. When the program was challenged in a New York City court the judge refused to rule, saying, “There are circumstances in which the executive’s decision to kill U.S. citizens overseas is constitutionally committed to the political branches and judicially unreviewable.”

Sources:

“Judge Declines to Rule on Targeted Killings of U.S. Citizens,” William Fisher, Inter Press Service, Dec. 8, 2010.
ipsnorthamerica.net...

“Letter to President Obama on Targeted Killings and Drones,” Human Rights Watch, Dec. 7, 2010.
www.hrw.org...

“Confirmed: Obama Authorizes Assassination of U.S. Citizen,” Glenn Greenwald, Salon.com, Apr. 7, 2010. www.salon.com...

Philip Alston, UN Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial Killings, Mar. 30, 2010. www.extrajudicialexecutions.org... america1

“Extrajudicial Killings: U.S. Government ‘Death List’ for American Citizens,” Francis A. Boyle, Global Research, February 10, 2010. www.globalresearch.ca...

Student Researchers: John M. Curtin, Molliann Zahm, Maria Rose, Vincent Caruso & George Antzoulis, Niagara University

Faculty Evaluator: Brian Martin Murphy, Niagara University; Mickey Huff, Diablo Valley College

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So , is this what America has become ? A Police State Run by a Bought and Paid for Congress, Senate, and President/King who at a Whim can Incarcerate , Torture, and make Disappear off the Face of the Earth anyone he Deems a Threat to his Illegal Power ? Numerous American lives have been given for this Country over the last 200 Years to preserve the Freedoms the Bill of Rights and the Constitution Grant it's Citizens . I and Many others like me will be Damned if we Meekly Cede those Freedoms to a Tyrant in exchange for a Life of Subservient Obedience . The Day is coming Soon when the People will be Forced to Act against this Tyranny with the Tools of Law and the Will to Fight Back Against it........

reply to post by openeyeswideshut


Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I agree with your post, however I think you meant to use the word hypocritical rather than Hippocratic. Hippocratic is used in the phrase Hippocratic Oath which medical doctors must take swearing they will above all do no harm.

America is in trouble for sure. Canada is not far behind in the steady reductions of our basic rights as citizens. Our police can be very heavy handed here too.

Cheers,
Caroline

Originally posted by kawika
This law would certainly be found unconstitutional if tested in court. Court can not test it though until someone is arrested. No one has standing to bring it until they use it.

Wow. A poster that sticks to the facts and ignores sensationalism.

It never should have made it out of congress if it was unconstituitonal. If you want to pass an extra-constitutional law have the guts and put it in as a constitutional amendment.

Originally posted by tkwasny

Originally posted by kawika
This law would certainly be found unconstitutional if tested in court. Court can not test it though until someone is arrested. No one has standing to bring it until they use it.

Wow. A poster that sticks to the facts and ignores sensationalism.

It never should have made it out of congress if it was unconstituitonal. If you want to pass an extra-constitutional law have the guts and put it in as a constitutional amendment.

If we are going to stick to the facts then it should be understood that a Constitutional Amendment must necessarily be in harmony with the Constitution it seeks to amend. "Extra-Constitutional" sounds fairly dischordant and not at all harmonious.

Congress has passed unconstitutional acts of legislation for some time which is why the courts have power of judicial review. Passing an Amendment will not protect unconstitutionalism.

reply to post by Hugues de Payens


Politicians and tyrants have never possessed a power they did not use. That they now have this power means they will use it.

It will at first be applied upon individuals whom the numbed masses agree deserve it. The old give them an inch and they will eventually take a mile slippery slope. The public will gradually come to accept it as a legitimate tool of government, like the proverbial frog placed in the kettle of cool water which slowly increases in temperature until it eventually boils the frog to death without the frog ever noticing what is happening.

I hope the public is not yet that myopic, but the evidence to the contrary is frighteningly strong.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by tkwasny

Originally posted by kawika
This law would certainly be found unconstitutional if tested in court. Court can not test it though until someone is arrested. No one has standing to bring it until they use it.

Wow. A poster that sticks to the facts and ignores sensationalism.

It never should have made it out of congress if it was unconstituitonal. If you want to pass an extra-constitutional law have the guts and put it in as a constitutional amendment.

If we are going to stick to the facts then it should be understood that a Constitutional Amendment must necessarily be in harmony with the Constitution it seeks to amend. "Extra-Constitutional" sounds fairly dischordant and not at all harmonious.

Congress has passed unconstitutional acts of legislation for some time which is why the courts have power of judicial review. Passing an Amendment will not protect unconstitutionalism.

They don't need to amend the Constitution to get away with the normalization of unconstitutional activity. Witness ther Patriot Acts.

How often does Congress pass laws which the individual legislators don't even bother to read? That alone is unconstitutional. But they are after all the law givers and they apparently believe it is their prerogative to conduct their legislative activities in whatever manner they they wish, the public and the constitution be damned if they disagree.

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They don't need to amend the Constitution to get away with the normalization of unconstitutional activity. Witness ther Patriot Acts.

No one has empowered and concreted the so called "Patriot Act" more than We the People. People love to whine about the TSA but keep paying damn good money for airline tickets so they can stand in line and wait for their turn to be molested by a government agent. We the People could have refused to fly with major airlines, found others flying in the same direction as We and allied ourselves to make chartering jets and airplanes affordable, but instead We the People appear to be quite happy about just whining about things.

Non-Acquiescence was once an American bedrock. Today surrender and shrugging our shoulders and declaring helplessness is the norm.

Originally posted by Kali74


All remaining hope I had in Obama was just obliterated.

No doubt. Me too, Kali.

reply to post by tkwasny

Wow. A poster that sticks to the facts and ignores sensationalism.

It never should have made it out of congress if it was unconstituitonal. If you want to pass an extra-constitutional law have the guts and put it in as a constitutional amendment.

Thanks, right back at cha.

Takes forever to get thrown out though.

Gridlock sound pretty good right now. The less they do the better.