Apparently, Americans would prefer a Muslim President to an Atheist President

See below a post on Richard Dawkins' website, about 'coming out' as atheist:

Coming out as atheist

I hope people will continue to question the theocratic orthodoxy which has grown in the USA, that it is 'one nation under God'. This is far from the intention of those who founded the independent United States.

reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster


I thought the founding Fathers wanted Religion to be apart from Goverment...so really it should not matter which (if any) faith he follows as long as he keeps his/her faith separate.
But I do think that North Americans are very Religious and hate Atheists because they see them as godless, Not all of course but if you look at the figures per country of what percentage of the people are religious the USA is right up there. Compaired to us Europeans.

reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster


Patriotism and belief in the almighty are not always synonymous. And it would be best if they never were...


As to a muslim president vs. an atheist president - well, we are already putting the former to the test...





Let's hope we get the opportunity to test the latter as well...

Do you really care?

They will still look upon the rest of us as livestock regardless their public image religion affiliation.

but by all means feel free to draw lines in the sand. yeah.

I just wish Dawkins would shut up. He says nothing as an Atheist that no other Atheist hasn't thought or said. He's basically a professional troll - not even a very good one. Sometimes when challenged in debate he looks like he's going to literally tear up and start crying.

Can't stand him.

Doesn't matter what religious affiliation the president is, he's just one man. The people you should be worrying about is congress, theyre the ones who make the laws and the judicial system? When's the last time we had one that actually meted out "justice"? Back in the 1800's? Nowadays we have rape cases where the men get off if the woman begs them to use a condom before she gets raped because it is considered "consentual" for the woman to not want to risk disease or pregnancy. Yeah we can see where this is all going...

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster

 

I thought the founding Fathers wanted Religion to be apart from Goverment...so really it should not matter which (if any) faith he follows as long as he keeps his/her faith separate.
But I do think that North Americans are very Religious and hate Atheists because they see them as godless, Not all of course but if you look at the figures per country of what percentage of the people are religious the USA is right up there. Compaired to us Europeans.

edit on 31-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

If by religious you mean ignorant then you, sir, are correct.

You can't force voters to disregard any issue while making their decisions.

This has nothing to do with Government being seperate from religion...this has to do with the American public's preference.

I would hope that the founding fathers would encourage people to vote on whatever they personally believe...and not exclude any factor in making their own personal decision.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster

 

I thought the founding Fathers wanted Religion to be apart from Goverment...so really it should not matter which (if any) faith he follows as long as he keeps his/her faith separate.
But I do think that North Americans are very Religious and hate Atheists because they see them as godless, Not all of course but if you look at the figures per country of what percentage of the people are religious the USA is right up there. Compaired to us Europeans.

edit on 31-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

If by religious you mean ignorant then you, sir, are correct.

Haters gonna hate.

who is the muslim president ?

Wow.

All surveys are a sampling of 100 people.

There are 350+ million Americans.

What is the mantra around this forum?

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
who is the muslim president ?

There isn't one, it's just the psychological discomfort of people who can't abide a man with brown skin being in charge.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
You can't force voters to disregard any issue while making their decisions.

This has nothing to do with Government being seperate from religion...this has to do with the American public's preference.

I would hope that the founding fathers would encourage people to vote on whatever they personally believe...and not exclude any factor in making their own personal decision.

I'd note that it's highly likely you've already had atheist or agnostic Presidents in your history, but the culture being what it is, they had to conceal the fact. Apply that to someone's religion and it'd be seen as inexcusable.

double post. Oops.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster

 

I thought the founding Fathers wanted Religion to be apart from Goverment...so really it should not matter which (if any) faith he follows as long as he keeps his/her faith separate.
But I do think that North Americans are very Religious and hate Atheists because they see them as godless, Not all of course but if you look at the figures per country of what percentage of the people are religious the USA is right up there. Compaired to us Europeans.

edit on 31-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

They did not want a sectarian government like Britain. They did, however, believe that religion should play a role in maintaining a basic foundation of belief and morality in the nation.

Originally posted by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
See below a post on Richard Dawkins' website, about 'coming out' as atheist:

Coming out as atheist

I hope people will continue to question the theocratic orthodoxy which has grown in the USA, that it is 'one nation under God'. This is far from the intention of those who founded the independent United States.

Dude, 100 years ago if someone "came out as an atheist", they probably would of been hanged on the spot or driven out of town.

The sheer level of intellectual dishonesty from atheist's is the reason why most people just don't trust nor like them. Because America is 1000x more secular now then at any time in American History!

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster

 

I thought the founding Fathers wanted Religion to be apart from Goverment...so really it should not matter which (if any) faith he follows as long as he keeps his/her faith separate.
But I do think that North Americans are very Religious and hate Atheists because they see them as godless, Not all of course but if you look at the figures per country of what percentage of the people are religious the USA is right up there. Compaired to us Europeans.

edit on 31-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

Again, intellectual dishonesty. The Founding Fathers wanted Government to STAY OUT OF RELIGION! Not the other way around. This is why a growing number of Americans have developed a certain intolerance towards atheist's. If you stuck to the truth people would be more willing to let bygones be bygones. But a large number of atheist's are just pathological liars

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster

 

I thought the founding Fathers wanted Religion to be apart from Goverment...so really it should not matter which (if any) faith he follows as long as he keeps his/her faith separate.
But I do think that North Americans are very Religious and hate Atheists because they see them as godless, Not all of course but if you look at the figures per country of what percentage of the people are religious the USA is right up there. Compaired to us Europeans.

edit on 31-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

Again, intellectual dishonesty. The Founding Fathers wanted Government to STAY OUT OF RELIGION! Not the other way around. This is why a growing number of Americans have developed a certain intolerance towards atheist's. If you stuck to the truth people would be more willing to let bygones be bygones. But a large number of atheist's are just pathological liars

That's a very large and crude statement with absolutely nothing to back it up. Care to try? Atheists are simply people who don't believe in a supernatural deity.

Govt out of religion or vice versa, the effect is about the same, really. Keep state and church separate. But you know for a fact that in the USA right now, it would be more likely for a Muslim adherent to become President than an unapologetic atheist. Not separate at all, then.

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
See below a post on Richard Dawkins' website, about 'coming out' as atheist:

Coming out as atheist

I hope people will continue to question the theocratic orthodoxy which has grown in the USA, that it is 'one nation under God'. This is far from the intention of those who founded the independent United States.

Dude, 100 years ago if someone "came out as an atheist", they probably would of been hanged on the spot or driven out of town.

The sheer level of intellectual dishonesty from atheist's is the reason why most people just don't trust nor like them. Because America is 1000x more secular now then at any time in American History!

I'm well aware of what atheists faced back when. That was my point, in fact. Do you seriously expect someone to own up to beliefs that could get them killed? Even persecuted Catholics had to evolve a doctrine of equivocation to protect their faith and not break their religion's fiat against lying. If there's any 'intellectual dishonesty' rolling about, it's in the fundamentalist mindset that very definitely wants religion to control the state, via the Presidency. I'm trying to understand why the atheist being true to their beliefs makes them unlikeable/untrustworthy. Respecting people's views doesn't mean you have to like them, but at least accept their right to take a position.

Considering that many of the world's problems are faith based problems, I personally would sooner vote for someone who is smart enough to realize that there is no more a god than there is Santa Claus, the easter bunny, or the great pumpkin than any zealot of any faith.

Easy test, if you can't name & correctly explain our Bill of Rights as envisioned by our forefathers BUT you can recite religious dogma w/o blinking an eye... no votes for you!

Derek