Testing The Bible Scientifically Part 3 / The Genesis Flood and More

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by BagBing

 

You cant have day and night at the same time unless your on a round spherical globe

Now that, I'm nearly speachless.

Back to what I said about reinterpreting something to fit new facts. Except, you've got such a stretch going on there, I don't see how you can follow it.

I'm not gonna go into all the details of flaws in that right now, it's late. Maybe in the morning.

reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx


The only flaws are your abilities to to admit you cant have day and night at the same time on a flat disc ( unless your hiding from the sun underneath it. But then you would have gravity wouldnt you ) Or maybe Jesus suffered from memory loss and didn't remember he said day one time and night the next?. Read the verses, accept the facts of what they say and not what you want them to mean. If you had a answer that provedd otherwise you wouldnt have to lay there wondering how to discredit something that is credible

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx

 

The only flaws are your abilities to to admit you cant have day and night at the same time on a flat disc ( unless your hiding from the sun underneath it. But then you would have gravity wouldnt you ) Or maybe Jesus suffered from memory loss and didn't remember he said day one time and night the next?. Read the verses, accept the facts of what they say and not what you want them to mean. If you had a answer that provedd otherwise you wouldnt have to lay there wondering how to discredit something that is credible

You're going into the realm of personal attacks. Just warning you, knock it off. It's impolite, I try to be respectful despite how ridiculous you're claims are, you could do the same.

1.) Jesus didn't specifically say that the Day and Night were at the same time. "That night", means later after that night. I'm sure I could find better translations that made that clearer.

2.) The people were presumably at the same location, at least roughly. Just because there's day and night at once on our spherical earth doesn't mean the same town can simultaneously be day and night.

3.) All those he was speaking to were Flat Earthers. The idea of people on the opposite side of the planet being there, was beyond them. So was the idea of Day and Night being at the same time. Jesus never took the time to explain this to them. They understood what he was saying in a flat earth context, because he didn't say anything contradicting that belief. They also all continued to believe in a flat earth.

4.) If jesus knew the earth was round, he would have stressed it. Not made vague allusions to it. He would have proven that he was the son of god to future generations, by revealing that he had insights no other humans had at the time. He could have done the same with, for example, Germ Theory. What did he do instead of showing that he understood that? He refused to wash his hands before eating.

5.) Early churches opposed the spherical earth idea when it became known. Because it contradicted their interpretations of the bible. Which shows two things;

One, is that often, the best way to know exactly how a scripture or old text was meant, is to look at how it was received by those it was given to. The people being told the stuff directly should know what it meant. And yet none of the scriptures said the earth was round to them, and they had a better understanding of what they meant at the time than we do now.

Two, is that scripture, and even specific scriptures, can be interpreted to support anything. Flat Earth, Round Earth, Pro-life, Pro-choice, Hell, No Hell, Keeping the Old Testament Laws, Abolishing them. It all depends on the person looking at them, and what they thought before looking a the scriptures. Just because it can be interpreted one way, doesn't necessarily mean that's how it was meant.

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P.S. Poe's Corollary. I'm, starting to suspect you're joking here. It's hard to imagine this as serious.

Just so you know.

I'm having trouble understanding what's going on in the verses you posted.

You said:

Did you know that the earth is described as round by Jesus Christ

Matthew 24:40
Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left

Matthew 24:41
Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left

Where does either of these 2 verses (or anywhere in the entire chapter) mention anything about night and day happening at the same time? It mentioned people being taken from their jobs. That is not Jesus describing the earth as round, in the least.

Luke 17:34
I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left

Your evidence is weak at best. I even went back and read the entire chapters that you quote mined and still nothing even comes close to describing day and night happening at the same time or Jesus describing the earth as round. If you're trying to convince anybody of that you need to do a way more thorough job explaining it and citing it because I don't see what you're saying at all. That isn't describing the earth as round.

In the verse above Jesus points to the night also . night and day simultaniously. Day and Night at the same time. Because "The taking" is like a thief in the night it comes quickly and catches you off guard . Therefore no time to prepare for it ( a day in advance etc )

Where does Jesus say that they happened at the same time? It makes no sense. If I was describing an event in my life and said, "on that day I graduated college, on that night, I partied". Does that mean the day and night happened at the same time? You have to REALLY stretch to even remotely entertain that idea.

I'm just wondering if anything you post is actually going to live up to the "scientifically" in the title of the thread. Thus far it has not.

reply to post by Barcs


Those verses clearly describe the Rapture, if you believe in such a thing.

Stop reading in between the lines and give us the verse that explicitly says what you want it to say. Why would it be so hard for Jesus to say what he meant?

reply to post by Barcs


Because The Day of The Lord is an instantaneous event. It happens instantly and therefor if night and day for people is happening at the same time it has to be on a round globe.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by Barcs

 

Because The Day of The Lord is an instantaneous event. It happens instantly and therefor if night and day for people is happening at the same time it has to be on a round globe.

1. Provide a scripture where it clearly says it's day time during the rapture.
2. Provide a scripture where it clearly says it's night time during the rapture.
3. Provide a scripture where it clearly says that the rapture is instantaneous.

Put them side by side.

Then you may have a coherent post to analyze.

Though my point about how it was perfectly understood by the Flat-Earthers he was speaking to, still stands. He didn't say anything requiring an understanding of the earth being round.

reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx


I am clearly not going to give you anything. You have all you need already to know what you need to know. I am not going to waste my time trying to lead your atheist ideals through the bible. If you bothered to read the posts and scriptures I have provided you, you would see there is enough. The problem isn't the scriptures or their content. The problem is you want to do anything possible to discredit what is obvious in them.

PS We shall be caught up in a twinkling of an eye. There is the verse now you go find it. and while your at it, tell us how long a twinkling of an eye lasts.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx

 

I am clearly not going to give you anything. You have all you need already to know what you need to know. I am not going to waste my time trying to lead your atheist ideals through the bible. If you bothered to read the posts and scriptures I have provided you, you would see there is enough. The problem isn't the scriptures or their content. The problem is you want to do anything possible to discredit what is obvious in them.

PS We shall be caught up in a twinkling of an eye. There is the verse now you go find it. and while your at it, tell us how long a twinkling of an eye lasts.

NOTHING you posted proves a global flood happened. And in fact, science clearly proves that the planet was NEVER fully covered in water. And that fictional bible isn't proof of anything but LOCAL floods

Please tell me you're not so brainwashed as to ignore scientific FACTS if they contradict your irrational religious beliefs. That would be a prime example of ignorance, and would also go against this site's "deny ignorance" mantra

Also, regarding that rapture nonsense...people have been claiming it's coming soon(TM) for thousands of years...we're still waiting

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx

 

I am clearly not going to give you anything. You have all you need already to know what you need to know. I am not going to waste my time trying to lead your atheist ideals through the bible. If you bothered to read the posts and scriptures I have provided you, you would see there is enough. The problem isn't the scriptures or their content. The problem is you want to do anything possible to discredit what is obvious in them.

PS We shall be caught up in a twinkling of an eye. There is the verse now you go find it. and while your at it, tell us how long a twinkling of an eye lasts.

Sure thing. If you don't want to defend you're point, don't make it.

1 Corinthians 15:52

It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed.

The problem isn't the scriptures or their content. It's the way you twist them to say something they never did.
The problem isn't that I'm desperate to discredit them, it's that I seek the truth. And as a truth seeker, I don't believe in things without merit, which not only includes the whole book, but the specific claims you're making right now.

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It's very rude to make a claim, and then try to get around supporting it by saying you're not "gonna waste time" on it. You do have to right to drop it though. Just, as you do so, acknowledge that you haven't convinced anyone of it. And there's a reason for that.

But surely, consider it a dropped topic.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx

 

I am clearly not going to give you anything. You have all you need already to know what you need to know. I am not going to waste my time trying to lead your atheist ideals through the bible. If you bothered to read the posts and scriptures I have provided you, you would see there is enough. The problem isn't the scriptures or their content. The problem is you want to do anything possible to discredit what is obvious in them.

PS We shall be caught up in a twinkling of an eye. There is the verse now you go find it. and while your at it, tell us how long a twinkling of an eye lasts.

Translation: No, I will not defend my arguments on my personal interpretation of the scriptures or back anything I've said up. I'm going to post a couple lose scriptures and claim it means the earth is round. If you disagree with my personal interpretation you must be an atheist.

It's funny, whenever a creationist is backed into a corner, they resort to the old "you're an atheist and don't understand" argument. Your scriptures do not indicate a round earth in the least, you are connecting dots that can't be connected. It wasn't the accepted viewpoint to have a round earth back in those times. It has nothing to do with discrediting the bible. It has to do with discrediting your poorly constructed argument.

reply to post by Barcs


You know I will thread on your requests. The truth is in this venue , you deserve a bit more than what I have presented ( At times ) but you need to be fair also in the sense that I am one person here. One person and I can only handle one person at a time in regards to answers in the subject.

This Thread is about the genesis flood. In all fairness to the thread and to those of you who want answers, I will thread on the offtopic subjects in Part 4 coming up soon. Thanks

PS There is one thing to remember , regardless of your beliefs or dis-beliefs. Jesus was not teaching science. He did however make clear some not all scientific facts in the process of preaching his message from The Father.
In other words , He didn't say "Now sit down so I can explain the earth we live on and it's shape."

The majority of the planets in the solar system have highly pressurized atmospheres. Venus is much smaller than the outer gas giants but its atmosphere has a crushing pressure 90 times that of earth. The atmospheric composition of Venus is 96.5% carbon dioxide and 3.5% Nitrogen and trace gases. Here is the atmospheric composition of the outer gas giants:

Jupiter - 89.8% hydrogen and 10.2% helium and trace gases
Saturn - 96.3% hydrogen and 3.3% helium and trace gases
Uranus - 82.5% hydrogen, 15.2% helium and 2.3% methane and trace gases
Neptune - 80% hydrogen, 19% helium and about 1% methane and trace gases

Seeing that Venus and Earth are practically twins in size it’s easy to comprehend an ancient earth with a highly pressurized gaseous atmosphere. It probably had high concentration of hydrogen all the way down to its rocky surface with no water in sight. When Moses saw the vision of earth’s formative days he probably thought the gas was water. Hydrogen and oxygen gases were combined in the creative epochs which formed the liquid and gaseous states of water when the expanse was divided.

The current atmospheric content of Earth is 78.1% nitrogen, 20% oxygen and 1% water vapor and trace gases. It probably had a good deal of carbon dioxide gases in its atmosphere because plant and animal life consist mostly of carbon.

reply to post by CherubBaby


Please don't make another one. You haven't provided a single piece of scientific evidence in any of the 3 original threads. People are all asking you the same questions, so refusing to answer something so simple or even attempt to defend your viewpoint is a cop out. You are essentially making an argument based on pure speculation Don't make another thread, if you aren't even willing to back up your claims or argue your points. There's no reason why you can't keep it all to one thread, since it's all essentially the same stuff.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
In other words , He didn't say "Now sit down so I can explain the earth we live on and it's shape."

You would think someone who is the Son of God would sit down and explain the Earth, it's shape, etc and clear up the misconceptions and pseudoscience that [they] believed in 2,000 years ago. Unfortunately, he didn't do much of that which would make a lot of people believers if he had.

Originally posted by novastrike81

Originally posted by CherubBaby
In other words , He didn't say "Now sit down so I can explain the earth we live on and it's shape."

You would think someone who is the Son of God would sit down and explain the Earth, it's shape, etc and clear up the misconceptions and pseudoscience that [they] believed in 2,000 years ago. Unfortunately, he didn't do much of that which would make a lot of people believers if he had.

Considering how the argument here is that he was making comments that require the earth to be round, that is especially true. Not only didn't he prove his divinity by showing that knowledge, he supposedly made references to it without ever explaining to anyone what they meant?