*another* Former Advisor: Ron Paul is NOT Anti- Israel

The Lamestream Media will not pick up this story.

#1. It cast Ron Paul is a positive light

#2. This is a Jewish News Source!

#3. It directly contradicts and refutes former aide Eric Dondero's "Ron Paul is anti-Israel" allegation, which was WIDELY circulated by the MSM

So who is this aide? Leon Hadar, an Israeli-born former foreign policy adviser to Ron Paul. What does he have to say? Well here is a sample.

"He is against Israel as I am against January. He is just against foreign aid, and does not see any reason to grant an aid to the country that is a member of OECD."

Certainly an interesting read.

Source

Sorry but from what I've read ... credible sources ... Ron Paul is DEFINATELY Anti-Israel. IMHO he isn't racist. But he's anti-Israel. I dont know if it's from a financial viewpoint (the guy doesn't want any US $$ going overseas) ... or if it's something else ... but he definately is anti-Israel - IMHO.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Sorry but from what I've read ... credible sources ... Ron Paul is DEFINATELY Anti-Israel. IMHO he isn't racist. But he's anti-Israel. I dont know if it's from a financial viewpoint (the guy doesn't want any US $$ going overseas) ... or if it's something else ... but he definately is anti-Israel - IMHO.

What credible sources? I would say this source in the op looks as credible as any, coming from the jews themselves!

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Sorry but from what I've read ... credible sources ... Ron Paul is DEFINATELY Anti-Israel. IMHO he isn't racist. But he's anti-Israel. I dont know if it's from a financial viewpoint (the guy doesn't want any US $$ going overseas) ... or if it's something else ... but he definately is anti-Israel - IMHO.

Nope. He is 100% a fan of Israel. He has a very devout Christian Faith, and as such he supports Israel 100%. People like him believe that a day will come when the US is the only friend left for Israel, and we will stand by her side and protect her.

So, Ron Paul is pro-Israel, but his Pro stance, means hands off! Let Israel take care of their own business, and if they need our help as an ally, we will do what we can. At the present moment, we give them a ton of money, but we then demand that they follow our foreign policy, not their own. If we take our leash off of Israel, and our money, then Israel can take care of things all on it own.

For the record, Netanyahu agrees with this approach!

We need to get the hell out of the Middle East, and the rest of the world and handle our own business.

reply to post by FlyersFan
Anti-zionism (somewhat), I would say MIGHT be a fair appraisal to some degree, but Paul is also one of the few who actively defend's Israel's right to take whatever action it feels is necessary in it's own defense, even when the rest of the government votes against the same.

He just doesn't want us to be responsible for cleaning up any messes they get themselves into, either.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Sorry but from what I've read ... credible sources ... Ron Paul is DEFINATELY Anti-Israel. IMHO he isn't racist. But he's anti-Israel. I dont know if it's from a financial viewpoint (the guy doesn't want any US $$ going overseas) ... or if it's something else ... but he definately is anti-Israel - IMHO.

FF, you have been here a long time, so I going to try and make an attempt to appeal to your intellectual side.

First off, I posted a story from published by a Jewish New Source. The former Advisor making this claim is Israeli born and aided Paul in the area of Foreign Policy.

Secondly, how can anyone declare Ron Paul as Anti Israel when he defended the rights of Israel to bomb suspected Iraqi Nuke sites? Does that seem like the actions of someone who is Anti Israel? If he was against Israel why would he defend the right of Israel to defend itself from a legitimate threat?

Who cares if he's ``anti- Israel``?

I know I don't..... as long as he's pro-U.S he has my vote!

ISRAEL IS THE PROBLEM

So is the point that Ron Paul is not against Israel because Israel is the lying two-bit slut whore cheating bitch nation that spies on us, cons us into wars, hides its nuclear weapons program from us, corrupts our congress, attacks the USS Liberty, sells weapons we give it to third party nations, lies about spying on us, kills American citizens like Rachel Corrie but just because he does not believe in foreign aid?

Okay - I can live with that.

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2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

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6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

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8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

You know... i dont understand how people can think he's a acist, or anti-israel, or homophobic or w/e when his belief system (or moral code) contradicts every smear against him.

Either people willfully ignore it just to bash a candidate they don't support for the sake of attacking them... or they are still in love with the neo-con methodology.

smh

Originally posted by BRAVO949

ISRAEL IS THE PROBLEM

So is the point that Ron Paul is not against Israel because Israel is the lying two-bit slut whore cheating bitch nation that spies on us, cons us into wars, hides its nuclear weapons program from us, corrupts our congress, attacks the USS Liberty, sells weapons we give it to third party nations, lies about spying on us, kills American citizens like Rachel Corrie but just because he does not believe in foreign aid?

Okay - I can live with that.

edit on 29-12-2011 by BRAVO949 because: (no reason given)

First off, do not be shocked if you post is removed by staff. Even I must say, even though I understand your point, it is rather inflammatory.

Getting to your point, how do you think Israel has accomplished all the things you listed? I would suggest it is with our foreign aid which has made it possible. How do you kill a snake? You kill the snake by cutting it's head off. Cutting off the tail or snake or cutting a snake down the middle, does not kill it. At least not right away. You still run the risk of having the snake bite you. You kill the snake by cutting off it's head and I would argue that cutting off financial and military aid cuts the head off the beast.

It is the unintended consequence of a sound Policy. It is the same principle that we see today, which is a lot of unintended consequences of bad policy.

so so sad

All of this coddling to 1 small group in America.

Mainstream media and religious groups have done a great job brainwashing their flocks into thinking "it's ok to bomb foreign people but it's a no-no to even Think about talking bad about our jewish friends"

Don't people even question WHY the media, supporters and friends of a group or individual must go so far out of their way to PROVE that they are not anti-Jew or Israel?



(sorry for the rant. I'm just sick and tired of everyone walking on eggshells when it comes to this topic. And before I get labeled by one our IDF friends, YES, I am anti-I$rael) :-)

folks we've been on the right side this entire time.

More and more credible people are starting to realize this movement is real and they defect from the party standards to join and fulfill their actual beliefs, not the beliefs of their overlords.

Keep up the hard work and enjoy the vindication as it comes but don't celebrate too much, we have an election to win and an old, honest-grandpa to put in the oval office.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Ron Paul is pro-Israel, but his Pro stance, means hands off! Let Israel take care of their own business, .

Okay ... that is different from what I've read. I guess it's what ever spin the person writing has. I'm all for a 'hands off' approach ... for just about everyone. That's entirely different from what I've been reading allegedly coming from him.

I'll be so happy when this election is over.
Every 4 years we get blasted with crap ...
ya' never know what is and what isn't really going on. UGH

reply to post by FlyersFan


I have no idea what you have been reading, but Ron Paul has stated over and over again that the US should be friends with everyone. We should trade with everyone and we should stay out of the regional and domestic issues and conflicts of all other countries because it is not our business. That in a nutshell is a huge part of Ron Paul's foreign policy.

Here is a bit of a fact check on some of Ron Paul's "controversial" statements which prove he is NOT Anti israel.

reply to post by MrWendal

Here is a bit of a fact check on some of Ron Paul's "controversial" statements which prove he is Anti israel.

I think you had a typo that changed the meaning of that statement? I can't watch the video, but it says "vindicated" so I think you meant to say "prove he isn't anti-Israel."

I certainly agree with you.

I would love it if Ron Paul could come right out and say "Israel is the problem in the Middle East." but we are not at that stage and I understand that.

The Zionist propaganda showered down upon us every day is so effective that all a policitician can do now is to say something neutral like, "We need to end all foreign aid."

It is really too bad that nations that could use a little help financially will be shut out because we can not be honest and say we are going to stop funding Israel's murder of innocent Christian and Muslim kids but we can send aid to a country that has just been hit by a tsunami.

You are right as well with regard to ATS. Whenever members say something harsh but true about Israel which has damn harsh policies the protectors of Israeli Aparthied complain to the moderators.

Proving, I might add, that the problem with Israel is that the real facts with regard to how bad that country really is are hidden from American eyes and ears.

I would love to vote for Ron Paul but the Jewish / Zionist / Pro-Israel lobby is never going to allow him to run for president. They have been slandering him to this point and will find something to knock him right out of the race and if that does not work they will kill him without even the slightest hesitation.

The Zionist lobby has totally bought off congress and are not going to let the machine they have created to malfunction.

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by BRAVO949

ISRAEL IS THE PROBLEM

So is the point that Ron Paul is not against Israel because Israel is the lying two-bit slut whore cheating bitch nation that spies on us, cons us into wars, hides its nuclear weapons program from us, corrupts our congress, attacks the USS Liberty, sells weapons we give it to third party nations, lies about spying on us, kills American citizens like Rachel Corrie but just because he does not believe in foreign aid?

Okay - I can live with that.

edit on 29-12-2011 by BRAVO949 because: (no reason given)

First off, do not be shocked if you post is removed by staff. Even I must say, even though I understand your point, it is rather inflammatory.

Getting to your point, how do you think Israel has accomplished all the things you listed? I would suggest it is with our foreign aid which has made it possible. How do you kill a snake? You kill the snake by cutting it's head off. Cutting off the tail or snake or cutting a snake down the middle, does not kill it. At least not right away. You still run the risk of having the snake bite you. You kill the snake by cutting off it's head and I would argue that cutting off financial and military aid cuts the head off the beast.

It is the unintended consequence of a sound Policy. It is the same principle that we see today, which is a lot of unintended consequences of bad policy.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Yes I mistyped. I do it often but usually I catch it before posting or immediately afterwards. I missed that one obviously

I blame my Fat American Fingers

reply to post by MrWendal


I do it all the time as well. I say "not" instead of "now" and it entirely reverses the meaning of my sentences. Very frustrating, especially when it gets quoted before I can fix it.

Right - one small group (2% of the population) who run the news media, run Hollywood, virtually control professional sports in North America, dominate the porn industry, make up 40% of the nation's billionaires, 13% of the US Senate top the list of major campaign contributors, demand that politicians not only kiss Israel's ass but where, when and for how long.

Which other nation could attack a US ship (USS Liberty) kill 34 Americans and get away with it.

Which other nation could spy on us decade after decade - sell the secrets to our advisaries and get away with it.

Originally posted by TXRabbit
so so sad

All of this coddling to 1 small group in America.

Mainstream media and religious groups have done a great job brainwashing their flocks into thinking "it's ok to bomb foreign people but it's a no-no to even Think about talking bad about our jewish friends"

Don't people even question WHY the media, supporters and friends of a group or individual must go so far out of their way to PROVE that they are not anti-Jew or Israel?



(sorry for the rant. I'm just sick and tired of everyone walking on eggshells when it comes to this topic. And before I get labeled by one our IDF friends, YES, I am anti-I$rael) :-)

edit on 29-12-2011 by TXRabbit because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by BRAVO949
I would love to vote for Ron Paul but the Jewish / Zionist / Pro-Israel lobby is never going to allow him to run for president. They have been slandering him to this point and will find something to knock him right out of the race and if that does not work they will kill him without even the slightest hesitation.

I see people say this often and it makes me curious. What does anything you list have to do with your vote?

For starters, Ron Paul is running for President. So to say no people or group will not let him run, is false. He is running and he has run two other times.

Going on to say that because he is slandered and these same groups or people will just knock him out of the race anyway also makes no sense. If the goal is to get someone to not vote for Ron Paul, either by switching your vote to another Candidate or staying home and not voting, you are giving these groups/people exactly what they want. If the goal is to keep people from voting Ron Paul, it doesnt matter how you accomplish this goal. Not voting is just as good a victory as changing your vote to another because your goal is reached. As long as people do not vote Ron Paul, no matter what the reason, is what determines your success or failure.

You also mention if the above does not work, they will kill him. Well it is a possibility, but if that is a real threat why should it matter to you and what does that have to do with casting a vote? The fear of death should only matter to the person running for Office who faces that fear. Fact is, assassination should be feared by anyone running for Office and it is pretty well known being President can result in death. It is Ron Paul's decision to decide if it is worth the risk or not, not yours. Obviously he made that decision by running for President, only decision you have to make is who to vote for.