Occupy Vs Ron Paul (????)

Check out this little gem from CNN

Occupy Vs Ron Paul

Five members of the Occupy the Caucus movement in Des Moines Iowa were arrested this morning while blockading the entrance to Ron Paul's campaign headquarters. Using their iconic mic-check speaking style, the protestors spoke out against Ron Paul's campaign pledge to close the Environmental Protection Agency if elected.

Out of ALL the GOP candidates the Occupy movement goes after Ron Paul?? Sounds fishy considering he's consistently stated over and over that he ALSO is against the "1%". Are these people deaf? Don't you think they would go after oh say... Gingrich since he's the one who has persistently knocked the OWS movement more than any other candidate?? Let's not also forget the fact that the ONLY people who supported OWS on the GOP side were Paul supporters. Quite a few Paul supporters showed up and tried giving solutions to the root issues, IE "End the Fed".

They are concerned about the EPA?? I didn't know this was on the OWS list of demands. This is first I've heard of complaints on this subject from OWS TBH. I don't think these people claiming to be OWSers are even taking the time to review Ron Pauls policies at all. The conspiracy theorist in me has a red flag drawn. Perhaps this is a paid "movement" from the establishment?

The anti-Paul crowd is in full force on CNN in the past couple days. As we speak they are in full force in the comments section. I've noticed it pick up significantly. It seems every few hours a new article is written on Cnn.com pointing out whatever faults they can find with Ron Paul.

This was some-what called on ATS last night during the Ron Paul Rally that was televised on CSPAN last night. A couple chicks were screaming about the 1% and the media flocked to it. They were literally surrounded by cameras. One member on here mentioned that we'd prolly hear about it in the media rather than the event itself, which turned out to be quite a speech by Ron Paul. This is becoming WAY too predictable from the media and people really need to start taking this serious.

I think it's time OWS wake up and start getting to the root of the issues. Right now the media is doing everything it can to ensure the status quo keeps on keeping on. Occupy the media, and stay the hell away from the one candidate that is actually on_your_side!!!

The 'occupy' hangeroners are starting to remind me of the Westboro Baptist 'Church' bunch.
Seriuosly .. it's over. Guys .. go home. It started out good but it's just comic relief now.

LoL - This Gem...

One of the arrested protester's named Clark Davidson claimed to be a Ron Paul precinct captain as he was led away in handcuffs.

"I don't believe with Ron Paul on every single issue...I came to stand with my sisters. I came to address that with the campaign and I just got arrested," Davidson said.

What he was really trying to say was: "Dude, I was just trying to get laid!"

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lol... That is not even the occupy movement, just a few uninformed fringe protestors, looking for whatever excuse they can come up with to socialise...

Its just propaganda at its silliest, occupy was started by the shadow gov for the shadow gov, order from chaos plain and simple.

ron paul is a threat to the way we live because he will dismantle the draconian system.

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I saw those women at the Ron Paul veterans rally. My guess is that they simply know that Ron Paul is the Republican front-runner and that is all they care about. Left vs Right politics as usual. They seemed very passionate so it would be hard for me to think it was staged though I admit, it did cross my mind.

This is more a symptom of Ron Paul now being the front runner than anything else in my opinion. I would be under the impression that they know very little about Ron Paul let alone having any understanding of his message. They just know he is a republican and to them, that is a dirty word.

I hope Ron Paul didn't take it personally as he is one of the few in National Politics to actually "get" what the occupy movement is about. Unfortunately they didn't stick around long enough to hear what the man had to say, they might of liked it.

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EDITED: Replied to wrong person -- fixed now.

Wait -- Occupy the Caucus is not part of the Occupy movement? Or is this another convenient excuse and separation tactic once again?

My point being was during the height of the Occupy movement any time something bad was found -- or illegal -- or a member went a little overboard; Occupy was quick to throw that person(s) under the proverbial bus to protect their cause.

It would seem you are doing the same here no?

Originally posted by NeoVain
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lol... That is not even the occupy movement, just a few uninformed fringe protestors, looking for whatever excuse they can come up with to socialise...

I tend to agree with you there. I just find it odd that we suddenly have several claims about "OWS" in Iowa from the media. First it was that they are afraid they will try to sabotage the votes resulting in some new "secret location"...now this? It really seems set up to me.

Originally posted by DiddlyDeePotatoes
ron paul is a threat to the way we live because he will dismantle the draconian system.

Ron paul won't do it himself. it will take people like you and me to implement his vision.

I just think if these individuals really don't represent "OWS" as a whole then the actual OWS movement should stand up against it. This is important, as it can shape the direction our nation is going in. The republican establishment has been attacking OWS from the beginning with claims that it is nothing more than an Obama driven political agenda. You'd think OWS would not want this accusation to be proven right, no?

Apparently you only read headlines, so you missed this part:

Many of the occupy demonstrators claimed sympathy, if not outright support for the ideology of Ron Paul, which made this protest especially uncomfortable for both the occupiers and the campaign.

Abolishing the EPA is a dangerously stupid idea, one that corporate America would dearly love to see happen: no more pesky rules against fracking aquifers, no oversight of toxic waste dumps, no place to complain to about waste dumped untreated into rivers.

I'd support Paul myself if it weren't for this and a few other indicators that he's really in the pocket of corporations just like every other politician. Things like being anti-minimum wage are among them.

He sounds good sometimes, but I keep get a nagging little voice telling me he's not entirely trustworthy.

Anyway, you are misrepresenting the dynamic in order to further bash OWS.

I'm still not sure why so many willfully misunderstand what it is about and why it won't go away.

Originally posted by Wookiep
I just think if these individuals really don't represent "OWS" as a whole the the actual OWS movement should stand up against it. This is important, as it can shape the direction our nation is going in. The right has been attacking OWS from the beginning with claims that it is nothing more than a Obama driven political agenda. You'd think OWS would not want this accusation to be proven right, no?

In my opinion, OWS never separated themselves from their more "radical" population. Rather they just cast members aside that don't march to their drumbeat or as CNN calls it "iconic mic check" style of chanting.

My point made earlier is illustrated here when you have already cast these folks aside because they are not lock step to the actual OWS movement. I thought OWS was an inclusive "grassroots" movement that welcomed all?

From what I see here so far -- that answer is no.

Originally posted by apacheman
Apparently you only read headlines, so you missed this part:

Many of the occupy demonstrators claimed sympathy, if not outright support for the ideology of Ron Paul, which made this protest especially uncomfortable for both the occupiers and the campaign.

Abolishing the EPA is a dangerously stupid idea, one that corporate America would dearly love to see happen: no more pesky rules against fracking aquifers, no oversight of toxic waste dumps, no place to complain to about waste dumped untreated into rivers.

I'd support Paul myself if it weren't for this and a few other indicators that he's really in the pocket of corporations just like every other politician. Things like being anti-minimum wage are among them.

He sounds good sometimes, but I keep get a nagging little voice telling me he's not entirely trustworthy.

Anyway, you are misrepresenting the dynamic in order to further bash OWS.

I'm still not sure why so many willfully misunderstand what it is about and why it won't go away.

I'm not mis-representing anything. I understand that part of the article, BUT doesn't that make it all the more fishy? It sure does for me. Think whatever you want to think tho.

EDIT: And I'm not "bashing" OWS. I have actually supported the premise of it. I never thought, and still don't think OWS ever organized themselves enough to be effective. They never made any realistic demands. Then, their "official" website banned all talk of Ron Paul, as well as changed "Paul" to "Lawl" totally disrespecting those Paul supporters who ARE a part of that movement. That didn't sit well with me.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy

Originally posted by Wookiep
I just think if these individuals really don't represent "OWS" as a whole the the actual OWS movement should stand up against it. This is important, as it can shape the direction our nation is going in. The right has been attacking OWS from the beginning with claims that it is nothing more than a Obama driven political agenda. You'd think OWS would not want this accusation to be proven right, no?

In my opinion, OWS never separated themselves from their more "radical" population. Rather they just cast members aside that don't march to their drumbeat or as CNN calls it "iconic mic check" style of chanting.

My point made earlier is illustrated here when you have already cast these folks aside because they are not lock step to the actual OWS movement. I thought OWS was an inclusive "grassroots" movement that welcomed all?

From what I see here so far -- that answer is no.

Paul supporters are often accused of casting people aside because they disagree with them. I am sympathetic to what you are tying to say, but I have not cast OWS aside. I'm more or less talking about the media spin on it. It seems fishy to me. I'm not claiming OWS is actually a part of this, rather someone is trying to make us think this is the case.

To be fair, I'm sort of confused on the whole reasoning behind shutting down the EPA. They did, after all, recently discover that fracking in one US town was contaminating the drinking supply. If there's a gray area for me in Ron Paul's plan, it would be with the shutting down of the EPA. If someone could enlighten me as to the logical reasoning behind it, by all means please do.

And Occupy the Caucus? Must be a small movement, haven't heard about it til now.

By the way someone above said OWS was started by the shadow government... I thought Canada started it?

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The Occupy movement is against the same things Ron Paul is against.

Wall street, derivatives diluting the value of the currency, ending the fed etc. Why would they protest against him?

The EPA issue may look bad at first glance, but if you really inform yourself about his stance on this, he just wants to remove those jurisdictions from the Federal government, allowing states to regulate environmental matters better, to better suit the environment of the states. Some rules could be alot more stringent even, vs polluters. This is a GOOD thing.

That is why they did NOT get the backing of most Occupiers, since probably 99% of them are FOR Ron Paul.

Hence my earlier statement, these guys are uninformed fringe protestors looking for any excuse to socialise, it is pretty obvious.

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They banned Ron Paul stuff because the fanatic supporters tried to overwhelm the discussions through sheer volume, much like they do here. The Paul supporters were trying to hijack the movement for his benefit.

And make no mistake, from my perspective most of the Paul supporters are fanatics who won't tolerate any rational discussion of his more problematical ideas.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

What is unclear about separating Wall Street from government?

What is unclear about bringing the perpetrators of fraud and theft to justice?

If you think OWS has been unclear about their demands you simply haven't been listening or choose not to hear.

According to some anything that doesn't accomplish its goals within a few eeks is a failure. I guess the Civil Rights movement and the anti-Vietnam War movement should have packed up their tents and gone home after a month or two, also, eh?

Changing a society takes time: not weeks or months but years of steady pressure, years of hard work and sacrifice.

OWS has just begun.

reply to post by Sek82

All agencies of the federal government, or any other government, should be worth the dime (or hundreds of millions) that the agency cost the taxpayers. As for the EPA, are they cost effective? Is the environment actually protected, or are certain big corporations protected while the EPA goes after other, smaller, less influential players?
Like the Dept. of Education...are our children better educated because of this agency? Don't the states have a dept. of education? Can we afford the redundancy?
Has anyone asked Ron Paul WHY he wants to abolish these agencies? Isn't that the job of our so-called news reporters? Or, are they just payed to scare people?
I think it is pretty easy to figure out.

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I'm no expert on the EPA and it's actually on my list of issues that least concern me at this point. With that said, it is my understanding that Paul wants to eliminate the EPA on a federal level and hand it to the states because currently the EPA isn't doing it's job anyway and it's costing a lot of unnecessary tax payer $$$. Just like all branches in the federal govt, they do not seem to work.

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OWS has sent groups to all campaign HQ's not just Paul's...

However i find that PAUL's views fit in with most if not all the concerns of the OWS movement... Yet still attack him?

Either they are stupid, or are incredibly... stupid.