China Reveals its Space Plans up to 2016: (courtesy of Bill Clinton)

I would really like to see China get on the moon and see new pictures of the moon. I know a lot of people believe that the US never did land on the moon. It would be nice to settle that argument. I would alo LOVE to see/hear China report back that there was no American Flag on the moon. Or on the opposite spectrum even bring up the conspiracy that China fakes there moon landing as well!

reply to post by ModestMike


Isn't the pure science discovery enough?

No matter who discovers it?

I hope they land a Chinese on the moon, and bring them safely back to earth.

Well I am not saying that I hope they Discover the moon but with them landing on it, it will open op doors for a lot of old conspiracys. I hope they land and get back as well. The pictures of the moon is what I really want to see. I know a lot of people do not agree with the coloring of the moon with the current pictures we have already.

reply to post by ModestMike


You can't see the color of the moon in the over 800 pounds of moon rocks returned to earth? The problem with seeing the color of the moon is the lack of atmosphere, sun bathed areas look white, areas lacking sunlight are black. Here's a primer for the color of the moon,, space photography isn't going to ever satisfy what you want. It's true color is very muted hues. Its not earth.

reply to post by Illustronic


I was referring to failures ( and almost criminal negligence) such as in cases like Challenger and Columbia.

The USA has not to my knowledge created a flawless method of getting man into space, just like the Russian Soyuz rockets suffer failures.

When you are talking about things that cost that amount of money, if you don't have a perfect system where you are on the edge of your seat during launch, then it's a failure.

Don't get me wrong, the USA has made some great achievements, from the moon landings to the Hubble.

But achievements also clouded by catastrophic failures.

Hopefully, China can iron out some of these failures and man will finally have a perfect system of space travel. They have the money where the U.S.A does not, so let them try, and hopefully succeed.

About time, there must be so much to learn and re-discover for whole new generation of people.

I hope that they are willing to share there findings with the world, with a little more transparency than some.

Exciting times..

reply to post by woogleuk


You want perfection without R&D? Then you get the media out of it totally, the Challenger disaster is directly responsible for the 'go guy' to approve a Space Shuttle launch in the coldest of circumstances the Main Fuel Tank developers warned against. They would not have a 4th delay since all those school kids were there to watch a launch and not another delay.

The Columbia reentry disaster was due to overconfidence and likely some other committee decision not to make repairs in space. It's human errors, not the engineer's fault. People don't heed caution they don't want to listen to.

The combined successes of one single space agency in this world has more than the rest of the combined world's efforts 3 times over. You are barking up a dead tree. There is no squirrel in it. There is no success you're first try either.

What the glorified Chinese have going for them is free R&D from 50 years of space exploration and rocket science they didn't have to put their experiments to the test for. So what, money wins ultimately. So they have money now, about time for having 20% of the world's population don't you think?

I wish China all the best in space exploration, in my opinion it should be the one thing that unites all countries as we should all work together on this. Only good can come out of exploration of space be it resources, science or contact with other biological lifeforms. The sooner we get a station on the moon the sooner we can start mining the resources we need to get space craft into space much more efficiently. I would happily get on a space ship even if I knew I would never see earth again and just shoot off into deep space on an exploration mission.

reply to post by Illustronic


Exactly, NASA got impatient despite the tank manufacturers warning about the o-rings potential failure in cold temperatures, resulting in death.

Of course all new projects/sciences are going to be plagued by failure, merit to the USA for trying and finding those failures, despite the fact that some could have, and should have been avoided.

What I am saying is now China can learn from US failures and try to perfect the system, and I have confidence they will.

Originally posted by satoriku
Wow. The hypocrisy. Simply AMAZING! The Chinese did not develop these advancements. They stole them and were inexplicably given them. Do you really believe the Chinese are doing this for posterity? The same people on ATS that insult and abase this country as an Imperialist Empire, and refer to Americans that happen love their country, it's accomplishments, and its security, as " Silly superficial nationalists," are in the same breath touting the 'successes' of an Imperialist Empire who's military leaders are aligned with a stated desire to "demolish" the U.S. This should get you started...

Chi Haotian

Oh here we go again with the "china wants to destroy america" rubbish.
Oh, by the way, was it x nazi scientists that helped america get to the moon?

If we all worked together, as a planet, and not as childish countries, im sure our space tech would be alot more advanced. Just a shame!

reply to post by woogleuk


I gave you a star BTW. I didn't mean to come off as offensive, or defensive.

reply to post by Illustronic


Hey, it's no worries, I can understand why you might have misunderstood what I meant by failure.

But with failure comes success, and due to the current economic woes faced by the West, it's the East who may turn those failures into the ultimate success. I just hope they return Bills favour and share that (ultimate) success.

For the record, by ultimate success I mean a 100% reliable method of getting mankind into orbit, and hopefully beyond.

Originally posted by Illustronic
reply to post by woogleuk

 

I gave you a star BTW. I didn't mean to come off as offensive, or defensive.

You came off as 'something' on the first time I read your comment/s but upon re-reading have realised that you were just stating your case.
Just wanted to add that this 'anti-China achieving any kind of space exploration' thing really cannot exist can it guys?

I'm of the opinion that China is part of Earth - good luck to them and hope that they share just like the US and Russia haven't......

Exciting times. cant wait to see some "real" Hi-Rez photos, I just hope they share every moment and have a live broadcast.

Also curious to see what this does for other countries involved in the space race, namely Russia and the US.
will they want this? will they even care? if they do care, why do they care?

My guess is the US will try to get invovled, so they can censor or over-see the mission. Just reminded myself about the "no fly zone on the moon" story's getting around a while ago.

It opens the door for more conspiracies. I say "bring it on"

reply to post by JonU2


NASA so far is 'the bible' of space exploration data, what you don't think they don't 'share' the world's astrophysicists would disagree with you.

Just saying.

That is for another forum.

One that likes to read more speculation than books and physics to see who's telling lies themselves.

It's more casual and fun not to figure things out with provided data yourself, its easier to spout out a bias belief isn't it? You get a lot of tagalongs that way, have you never wondered why these things are so widespread now with the internet? You think Joe Youtube has a rocket science PhD? Do you think he even has a real job? Or just rich parents?

i hope that China does go to the moon and while they are there they need to find out where we supposedly landed at and take some pics of the non existent flag and rover that are up there. i mean what if china gets up there and they find out we were pulling a quick one on the world. what kind of back lash would we get?

on the other hand what if they get up there and see our flag and rover??

I sure hope this will culminate into another space race, this time between US and China. Sell it to the public as good capitalists represented by rising private US space companies (SpaceX, Bigelow, ULA) vs. evil Chinese communists, and the funds will flow. That would be wonderful news for space exploration.

^^^ I was going to mention the potentials of a 2nt space race.

Hopefully this space race has more peaceful undertones than the last one, even though The USSR and USA did some space missions together such as the shuttle MIR program.

Now with China being the potential if not new rival to the NASA , private companies, ESA, and other space agencies, the push to move forward will be speed up.

I tell you what though, I don't see any of china's space accomplishments on the msn's, but it's sad when you don't even hear about the new ones right here in America. (not on the msn's at least)

What happened to that spirit people use to have in the 60's and 70's?

PS I mean you might here about it once in a while if you flip through the channels or watch all day, Space just don't seem like such a big deal anymore,I would like to see that change.

I'm just glad some-one is doing something.

Go China..

Cosmic..

Originally posted by Maslo
I sure hope this will culminate into another space race, this time between US and China. Sell it to the public as good capitalists represented by rising private US space companies (SpaceX, Bigelow, ULA) vs. evil Chinese communists, and the funds will flow.

That would be wonderful news for space exploration.

The LOL at the end throws me off (not sure if you are being sarcastic) but this is exactly what I was going to say ...this could work out better for all of us if the US can even fund minimal amounts to stay in the race for a while.

I know it may mean space becomes more militarized than it is already, but I would be willing to take that chance if it means we bend our energies and resources a little more to this this sort of endeavour
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