Ron Paul's legislative successes (or rather lack of successes)

Originally posted by Ahabstar

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

And so do I. I would love for Ron Paul to be successful with SOME of his agenda, but much of it is far too extreme for me.

Which is the feeling of many people.

Sad to say but, I have been contemplating making a thread on why the MSM is so against Ron Paul.

If you think his some of his views are extreme then I suggest reading some books on his reading list. To put things into perspective, his views only seem extreme because we have allowed ourselves to be put into a position that is extreme from how the constitution of the united states of America stated the role of government should be. I think some people just don't like his ideas because it takes the responsibility away from the government and puts it directly on the individual. When that happens we can no longer sit at our computers or in front of our TVs and bitch and moan about the government. At that point, the responsibility lies on the individual. I think some people are truly scared of real freedom.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Fine I will dig in just for you. I 100% stand behind Dr Paul and support his agenda. I don't see his unpassed bills a failures, but an attempt to bring sanity to our nation ahead of his time, he is a visionary and that is why he didn't get anything done. His solutions were years ahead of the times, and now hindsight is becoming 20/20 and people are seeing his ideas as real time solutions for real time problems. Expounded enough for you?

His bills being in favor of the people and not corporations is exactly what we needed but how could it pass when we have corporations buying the votes. Even Obama said this was a problem.

I attacked OS because of his double standards and showed how he has nothing to stand on as a credible argument t because he didn't uphold his own standard that he's throwing out there as the basis of his thread. Logical infallacy. You can't bash someone when you literally just did the same thing last election.

You're right he never told us how to vote, just posted a thread trying to sway votes. Same thing really.

Now look up how many things he's done for the specific people he represents in his congressional district, the ones that voted him into office for 8 terms. Just Because he cant get a Bill passed through congress doesnt mean he's not an effective leader. His district record speaks for it self. Also look up how many earmarks were added to those bills he tried to get passed, as well as who wheels it would have greased instead of Americans I bet there pretty straight forward bills without millions going to different lobbied groups. Your research means nothing to me or his supporters.

Oh and please show me Obama's record. Mitt's, Newt's, Santorum. etc etc etc. Lets stop this Biased.

reply to post by eLPresidente

If you don't know how Ron Paul has changed the national political dialogue, you're just straight up refusing to look at reality.

Not even the MSM can deny how much Ron Paul has done to change the political climate in this country.

So in other words...you don't know...it's just rhetoric you like to spread.

The question is really simple...how did Ron Paul change the national political dialogue???

reply to post by pianopraze


I'm simply pointing out that Ron Paul has been a failure as a congressmen for 14 years.

The only thing he has accomplished is siphoning federal tax money into his district. For someone who cries about spending all the time...it seems odd that his main goal is to try to get as much money as he can for himself so he can get re-elected.


Trying 464 times and succedding once shows a complete lack of leadership and ability to get others to see your vision.

Don't be mad at me...be mad at Ron Paul...I'm just presenting facts.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


It would seem to me that Obama supporters would love to have Ron Paul be running against Obama, since he is so obviously wrong on so many issues. That would guarantee the Dems another win right. So why are you fighting so bad to convince people he is bad? I would think you would say "Yea lets go Ron Paul" if he is such a loser. So that just proves the point that RP is scaring all Dems. The more you say against him, the more it shows how much you are scared of him.
How did it go?
KO
Ron Paul 2012!!!

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


If you put as much time into doing something productive you might do well.

You sure have been dedicated to hating on someone that is trying to give you back your freedoms and liberties. You know....trying to revert back to that nasty connstitution that it seems you hate so much.

You've had like 40+ chances to give your claims some merit and all you have done is given people 40+ more reasons to vote the great guy the ron paul is. Its going to be a busy 11 months for you I feel sorry man I really do. Because if you keep going the way you are thats like 10000+ attempts to discredit a guy thats putting it all on the line and trying to give people like you a kickstart to the brain.

Ah well what can I say other than happy holidays and merry trolling lol.

PS Sadly it hasn't been Ron Paul as the failed congressman, but rather all of the others. That is if you follow the constitution.

reply to post by MrWendal

Actually yes it does matter. It shows where his loyalty lies, it shows where heart is, and it shows that he will work for the benefit and in the best interest of not himself, but for the citizens. Not for the banks, not for the special interest, but for the We the People. The fact that none of it has been passed, in my opinion is not a reflection on Ron Paul, it is a reflection of a corrupt system, full of corrupt Politicians. You can say it shows that "Ron Paul does have the leadership skills" all you want. I say nonsense. You can not lead those who serve a different master.

His Pork and Earmarks show that his only accomplishments are for himself, for purposes of getting re-elected. He could of stood on principle that government spending is wasteful so he won't participate...but that wouldn't get him re-elected.

If you can not lead those who serve a different master...then he really shouldn't be the LEADER of our country...since you claim that everyone else besides him follow some other path.

You really need to ask what the reason is? I would suggest that reason is money paid for as "campaign contributions" from special interest and lobbyist. You can be the greatest leader the world has ever seen

So you believe that Ron Paul is a great leader??? Can you provide some examples???

He leads his supporters. That is the funny thing about Ron Paul. Once people decide to support him, you don't often see those people pull away their support in favor of another. That sir, is called leadership.

That is called blindly following someone...other people call it a cult....once you are in, you can't leave.

Originally posted by phishfriar47
You're right he never told us how to vote, just posted a thread trying to sway votes. Same thing really.

So, all the political threads about one candidate or another are trying to sway votes... right? Have you picked on anyone for posting PRO Ron Paul threads as they are trying to sway votes?

Originally posted by budcin
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

It would seem to me that Obama supporters would love to have Ron Paul be running against Obama, since he is so obviously wrong on so many issues. That would guarantee the Dems another win right.

That's because you assume way too much. Like:

1. Obama supporter = Democrat
2. Whomever voted for Obama will vote for him again
3. Voters vote for parties instead of people

Truth is, I think Ron Paul would lose against Obama. But I thought for SURE George Bush would lose, especially the second time! But the voters were stupid enough to vote him in again... I wouldn't put it past them to elect Ron Paul, either.

The more you say against him, the more it shows how much you are scared of him.

I am a little scared of him... And I'm more scared of his supporters and the agenda they'll push once he becomes president. Illegal abortions, discrimination run rampant, a regulation-free free-for-all... That's pretty scary!

reply to post by dannotz

Oh, and you can get a whole lot more done with congress when you are the president. I have full faith in him, and even if he couldn't get everything he wanted done, i'd still rather have him in there TRYING, than any of the other lame-o candidates.

Please explain how you can get a whole lot more done with congress when you are the president than you can when you are actually IN congress and writting the bills???

You do know that officially the President has no role in the legislative branch....right??? His unofficial role is to set the agenda for his party...but his party won't even work with him, so even that will be a failure by him.

This isn't a fantasy world...Ron Paul can't just want something done and because his supporters thinks it's "good for the people", then it will get done. You need leadership, you need cooperation, and you most importantly you need COMPROMISE to get anything done in DC. Ron Paul doesn't compromise...which is one of the biggest reasons he is a complete failure as a leader.

reply to post by TinfoilTP

If you want to look at it like that, the whole civil rights issue was a failure....
Why?
Look how long it took to get anything done, and no one fought against it right?
So i guess you feel Rosa Parks should have just went with the majority?
Did it matter if she was right?
I think we are having the same awakening now with Ron Paul as we did with Rosa Parks.
The fact that one person can actually change the minds of millions, and lift the Vail from there eyes to see the truth.
Scares the H3LL out of you doesn't it?
I can now see clearly
Ron Paul 2012!!!!!

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by eLPresidente

 

I see you are just dodging the entire content of the thread.

This is not a thread about what Outkast Searcher supports, this is not a thread about Obama...this is a thread about Ron Paul's "career" in Congress. Although, if this was any other job...he would have been fired a long time ago for being so horrible at his job.

So ether answer the questions in the OP or just keep dodging...you dodging the FACTS speaks more than anything.

From what I have seen it is you dodging legit questions that people are asking to get a sence of where your coming from. Sure the facts you have showen would look bad to someone who does not understand the system of legislation(witch I don't) but the people that do are asking YOU to explain your motive for this post and you just fall back on "this is not about me", well it also becomes about you when you are the OP making accusations against someone, so quit dodging the questions and act like a legit OP and not like just another "shill" sitting in a cubical.I mean at least RP tryed 400+ times and kept trying,what has your choise done?

My question to you is,does RP,s honesty and pure lack of flip flops,and the fact he has been the same through out his political carrier so we the people know what we should be getting as opposed to proven flip flopping clones that say what they think the people want to hear(or Obama, enough said) mean nothing to you?

Quote "Either answer the question or just keep dodging...you dodging the FACTS speaks more then anything."

Thank you Outkast, for bringing some Facts to the table instead of inane idol worship.

The Paulites are rabid now, but it is for their own good.

They remind me of me in 2000 when I was gung ho for Nader... Yipes.

The sad fact of the matter is that Ron Paul is a bit like a mud puddle in the desert.

You're so thirsty that your willing to suck mud and call it Perrier. In the end, however, you are still sucking mud.

Paul is an aging, ineffective ideocrat with absolutely no chance of enacting any of his ideas.

Why do you think the GOP won't touch him?

If his own party won't give him the time of day, what makes you think he will have the support to enact all these pie in the sky ideas of his?

As his shoddy record indicates, he won't.

Originally posted by Mr_Awesome
Yep the amount of bills passed is what makes a successful congressman..... What's that you say? That it matters what the bills contain? Oh no don't be ridiculous it only matters how many.

Wow there is a serious failure in logic here

If Ron Paul would of passed only one bill, but it was the best bill ever....sure I would say he is successful.

But the ONLY bill he got passed was to get some land granted to a historical society in his own district.

His other accomplishments is getting federal tax dollars (yours and mine) siphoned into his district so he can get re-elected.


Please define "successful" for me...because trying 464 times and only succeeding ONCE, doesn't seem successful to me. Would a lawyer who was involved in 464 lawsuits and only won one time be a successful lawyer? How about a salesmen that had 464 sales opportunities and only closed one? How about a construction worker who built 464 houses, and only one sold? Has anyone ever been successful with having a success rate of 1 out of 464???

I just don't get it the last 12 years have been horrible for our country nobody can deny that, and yet there are still people out there that want more of the same thing we have had for 12 years. It just blows my mind. Are you people insane? I'm tired of it all and regardless of whatever slander anyone comes up with to try and discredit Ron Paul Im still Voting for him because of his ideals, I hurts my heart to think my Children might have to grow up in the same crap Ive lived through for the past 12 years I have to take a stand and Vote for the Right person this time if not for me for my Children.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


In a congress where the author of bills is mostly the lawyers and lobbyists large corporations, simply looking at the number of laws passed by a specific person gives you a good sign of dishonesty and corruption.

Ron Paul may well have the most accomplished record in the history of the United States congress. He has never voted for a tax increase. He has never voted for a spending increase (unless counting earmarks as spending, which they are not). He actually has considered the constitution with all of his votes except for perhaps his vote in favor of establishing Martin Luthor King day, which is debatable.

Your head is in the sand if you don't understand the laws that pass today in the US congress are nothing more than corruption on paper. Your lack of understanding is disturbing given how long you've been an ATS member. You need to wisen up to what goes on in congress and learn about the types of laws that congress passes on a daily basis. Try reading them or something.

If you're one of ten congressmen at the most trying to clean up Washington while the rest are a part of the corruption, how many laws are you going to get passed? Name a few laws that Ron Paul should have passed but didn't get passed. Then lets decide why they were not passed. Prediction: corruption of congress, obviously.

Originally posted by dannotz
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Extreme circumstances require extreme reactions. But not OVER reactions .

And like i said, I'd rather have Paul in there trying to restore the core of what made this country so great, rather than another corporate bought President working for the corporations and not the people.

I guess i like him cause i know he'd be doing what's in our best interest, even if some see it as "extreme" or "radical". A ton a things need to be changed in this country, we can't just keep spraying a huge can of lysol at the stink. We have to throw it out all together.

edit on 27-12-2011 by dannotz because: spelling

Repealing civil rights is not in anyones best interest.

Removing all regulations from corporations is ONLY in the best interests of corporations. It's true that corporations wouldn't have to lobby to Ron Paul...because he has already said he would give them everything they want. No regulation and cut their taxes. I don't get how people think he is against corporations...he is a corporations happiest dream.

Please be specific...what are a couple of the things that need to be changed in this country???

1) Freedom of Privacy Restoration Act of 1998

2) Patient Privacy Act of 1998

3) Voter Freedom Act of 1999

4) American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 1997

5) Second Amendment Protection Act of 1997

6) To amend title 13, United States code, to provide that decennial census questionares be limited to requesting only the information required by the constitution

7) Essential Rural Hospital Preservation Act of 2000

8) Human Cloning Prevention Act of 1999

9) Child Care affordability Act

10) Prescription Drug Affordability Act

11) Help Disaster Victims Buy a New Home Act

*Here is a quote from the verbage in the Voter Freedom Act of 1997*

"Restrictions on the ability of citizens to exercise the rights identified in this subsection have disproportionately impaired participation in the electoral process by various groups, including racial minorities" Voter Freedom Act of 1999 - Ron Paul

Take for example, Human Cloning Prevention Act of 1999...and how it didn't pass! I don't believe that Ron Paul is the problem. Watch the debates and the reactions that he receives when he says something logical, diplomatic and displays tolerance toward others.

Originally posted by Mr_Awesome
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Yeah I'm not sure if you have noticed but the congress is corrupt. One man standing against a cesspool of corruption is not an easy thing. Your only spouting what your opinion of a SUCCESSFUL congressman is and fail to see the success that RP is having right now. He has the media scared and for good reason, people are tired of endless war, the corrupt banking system and big government intruding on people's liberty.

Corrupt as in someones only goal as a Representative is to get as much federal tax dollars siphoned into his own district???

Corrupt like that???

Originally posted by hooberson3
So your measure of success is how well he went with the flow? This post is ridiculous because you cant judge his success based on the amount of garbage bills bandwagoned.

So how do you measure SUCCESS for a congressmen??? I see you failed to put any criteria or explain why you think Ron Paul has been a success.


Oh, and thanks for the education about ATS...I'm so new I would have never known.