vegans, raw foodists, fasters, extreme losers

reply to post by metalshredmetal

When I went pure veggies and fruits is when I rapidly lost, but I got sick. I wonder, if I included seeds and nuts, if that would help then.

But yeah I know I need to jumpstart some serious exercise....

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


LOL... cant debate me because you...well cant debate me.

Dont be afraid, try to drum up some knowledge on the subject and have a go at me.

Originally posted by ShedAlert
reply to post by Areyoupeopleinsane

 

I am sorry, but your fancy words do not void everything said in this thread. Yes, some of the suggestions have being pretty silly, but what you just said was even more so.

Scientific facts and fancy words huh?

Please refute with scientific evidence what I said was and is complete silliness.



Calories in, calories out, that is how the body works, fact, yes, we might be different in the way the energy is dispersed/absorbed, but it doesn't void the fact that a healthy, moderate eating plan, and an active workout will give positive and beneficial results.

I never said it did. What I said was it's not up to YOU what your body decides to do with the calories you stuff in your mouth. It's up to your endocrine system.

reply to post by Saucerwench


Well I can tell you that No carb only works for me when I want to get rid of the Glucose stored in the fat cells. But I have never lost fat on a Low or no carb diet alone. I have found that my Thyroid wasn't working properly. I am now taking various supplements along with Naturethroid. I have also been doing P90x which is working great. Getting older like us makes it harder to take fat off than keep it off. I would not Go Vegan or look for any quick fasting plans. Get a blood test, have them check free T4 and Free T3. The THS levels that doctors check is a crap test. Also only take natural thyroid meds if needed like: Armor Thyroid or NatureThroid. Get your diet in check. Stay away from processed foods, White Flour, Pasta, Sugar, Soda, Most fruit. Eat Berries, Almonds, Free Range Chicken, Wild Fish, and lean beef-like London broil. Figure out how many calories you need to maintain your current weight. Then Take off 500 cals a day. So if you need 2500 cals a day to maintain your current weight. consume only 2000 cals. You should also be exercising at least 4 days a week 1 hr. a day

reply to post by Areyoupeopleinsane
It is common knowledge that there are different types of bodys, such as endos and mesos, but this has little effect on how the body reacts to a well prepared fitness regime.

Fat people are fat because they eat too much and don't do enough exercise, every person who has ever been fat, and then lost weight can tell you this. Skinny people are skinny because they don't eat enough whilst doing exercise or no exercise, ask any skinny person and they will tell you this.

Your estats about you being 'the cutting edge' have nothing to do with it, but I feel you like to flaunt a lot, which is completely fine by me, but it is rather arrogant.

reply to post by Saucerwench


Don't Do HCG!! First off it is a diet plan of 500cals a day. You will lose muscle, water, and some fat on a 500 cal a day diet without HCG injections

Originally posted by ShedAlert
reply to post by Areyoupeopleinsane

 

It is common knowledge that there are different types of bodys, such as endos and mesos, but this has little effect on how the body reacts to a well prepared fitness regime.

Fat people are fat because they eat too much and don't do enough exercise, every person who has ever been fat, and then lost weight can tell you this. Skinny people are skinny because they don't eat enough whilst doing exercise or no exercise, ask any skinny person and they will tell you this.

Your estats about you being 'the cutting edge' have nothing to do with it, but I feel you like to flaunt a lot, which is completely fine by me, but it is rather arrogant.

You've contradicted yourself wonderfully.

Unfortunately I'm done here. I really cant educate you if you cant grasp the simple concepts in my original post.

Flaunting or not, its the facts that count, and your understanding of human physiology is elementary at best.

reply to post by shambhalashamen


Another diet product bites the dust then. Yeah I believe that --anyone-- on 500 cals a day -without- a -product- , would be in starvation weight loss mode like an anorexic.

I almost did a whole sit-up today.

Does that count as excersise?

Cheers! I think Prime Rib is overrated. NOT!

My family never takes advantage dairy,meats, and processed foods. They're all out there in abundance.

Heck, We even support Raw Dairy Farmers, even if we can't go buy the products that aren't near us.

I don't know if the Prime Rib ran around the field before they packaged it. That was the first time in 2 years we enjoyed a meal like that.

For that, I am thankful. The gravy, errrrr Au Jour got sopped in bread!

reply to post by Areyoupeopleinsane
Of course it is, although guess what? I used to eat like #, I got fat, then I decided to eat healthy, and do some exercise, and guess what happened? I got fitter. Funny that isn't it?

The body doesn't work in mysterious ways when you look at it generally. Everybody is different, although every body reacts the same to what food/exercise a person eats/does.

reply to post by niceguybob

Heck, We even support Raw Dairy Farmers, even if we can't go buy the products that aren't near us.

Hey, watch out what you disclose under this current Dictatorship. They send out national security swat team stormtroopers to raw milk producers and their customers!

Understood Saucer. There's always a bit a truth to sarcasim. Well articulated.

This was from a friend on a low-carb bulletin board:



"You say that it's just "calories in/calories out," and you're 100% right. But I'm going to give you an example, that I think will make you realize, that while true, that law is actually irrelevant to weight loss, and that all calories are not equivalent.

Let's say I gave you a pill to eat every morning. This pill contained only four calories. However, this pill affects your hormonal balance, and it makes you ravenously hungry all the time, and also quite lethargic. Perhaps it's related to your thyroid, but that doesn't matter for this example. What matters is that it makes you hungry and sedentary.

As a result, you are going to gain weight. The pill is only a few calories, but you have gained weight because it has made you to eat a lot more food and move around less.

Has your "calories in/calories out" thermodynamic law been violated? No, because, as a result of your extra eating, you have taken in a lot more calories, and expended fewer. But because of the nature of these calories that you've eaten, namely those four calories in the pill that affects your metabolism, you have gained weight. If you were to stop taking that four-calorie pill, you'd lose weight.

In other words, calories in/calories out is true, but not always helpful in understanding weight gain or loss.

In a similar way, eating lots of carbohydrates can force your body to store energy in fat cells, which in turn causes you to eat more and expend less."

reply to post by Areyoupeopleinsane

Once food enters your intestinal lumen (digestive system), it is your endocrine system (your hormones such as Testosterone, Estrogen, Growth hormone etc...) that determine how that food is used. This is called "nutrient partitioning" and is the singular cause of increases in body fat.

You say that it has no difference what you eat, your body just takes care of it regardless of its nutritional content or balance. Bunkum. Drink a litre of sunflower oil and eat a packet of butter and then ...oh say half a pound of bread and as many eggs and much chocolate and soda as you can eat. Each day, or as much as you need nutrition wise. And only sugared coca cola mind! You may have as much as you want from all groups though. You see how your statement reads now? Add McDonalds as desired too.

His or her hormones cause those nutrients regardless of their content to be partitioned for energy use and voiding (urinating and defecating) converse, they do not cause those nutrients to be partitioned and stored as fat.

Ditto your mistake. You read a book once?

We all know of that obese man or woman who diets like crazy and works out every day, yet never loses a pound (or can keep it off )

You imply that overweight people cannot lose weight. Wow, what science!

His or her endocrine system (again the hormones) are causing those nutrients no matter how "healthy" he or she thought they may be for him or her to be partitioned as fat.

Yawn....

So yes, I am telling you that your hormones which are genetically predetermined at conception determine how your body utilizes (partitions) the food you eat.

That might have an influence, genetic expression fair enough, but the difference between a same height person of maybe 100 kilos regardless of diet? Oh dear...my Bravo Sierra meter is going off the scale here!

Dr Lustig in 90 minutes (actually around 30, but it's a 90 minute video and even for a non-medical person like me, quite riveting) destroys completely 30 years of "modern" dietary "information". I'll bet you're too busy or well-informed to need to though.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth.

Quick synopsis (ATS rule) and almost forgot! The passage of various foods and chemicals are discussed and their effects on and passage through the body. Coca cola is discussed (with its hidden salt content, 9 teaspoons of sugar in a small can? ) along with aspartame and regular food too. It's lions and tigers and bears. Please watch if you have the time folks. If I can understand it, anyone can, believe me and he is interesting in his presentation.

Merry Xmas.

ETA Qualifications:
Professor of Clinical Pediatrics, in the Division of Endocrinology Director of the Weight Assessment for Teen and Child Health (WATCH) Program at UCSF

Dr. Lustig is a nationally-recognized authority in the field of neuroendocrinology, with a specific emphasis on the regulation of energy balance by the central nervous system.

Source

reply to post by Areyoupeopleinsane

Not at all, it's just I have other things to attend to also. I let myself be manipulated by free medical documentaries by professionals who are totally hell bent on world domination and evil ends. It's a kinda hobby of mine.

I came across this really eye opening (and short not long) video, where this guy tells some truths about raw fooding. I believe this man, he rings my common sense bells here.
He says sorry, but your not going to find the good stuff you need in your grocery store. I posted in (the first, not the second) Occupy Food thread, about how I went to my grocery store and bought a bag of granny smith apples, and after one apple, I threw the bag out. They were those geneticaly modified frankenfruit, all looking the same and blemish free, and being very wrong with, inside. One half of that apple put me on the toilet 20 minutes later, and for the rest of the night on and off. It was horrible. It wasn't diareah even, it was a hard spray poo. Really different. I thought my innards were gonna spray out as well. scary.
I believe that I am wasting away from mal nutrition though. I dont live in an upper class city suburb where Whole Foods likes to park and hawk. I could drive 120 miles (one way) but I dont own a car nor am on a pubtrans route. Like I said before, I believe the Food Inc establishment doesnt mind if I die. Probably part of codex alimentarius.

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by Saucerwench

 

Going for the obvious stuff first.

No soda pop whatsoever.
No fast food or if you must, once a month.
No processed food at all.
Mucho vegetables (potatoes are a good filler) and fruit but watch the fruit sugars.
Limit fruit juice as that is full of sugars.
Limit dairy intake (high fat content)
Perhaps (if you do eat meat) consider the white meats (chicken and turkey) and fish instead of large amounts of red meat.
Organic produce wherever possible/affordable.
Limited alcohol *cough cough* (a weakness of mine)
Eat little and often.
No potato chips and if possible, eat 72% cocoa chocolate if that's your thing.
Oh yes, wine with a meal is actually healthy (not a whole bottle)

Disclaimer: I am not a dietician or a medical professional. I'm sure you'll get better answers from others.

ETA Forgot some.
Organic herbs and spices. Only organic. (They can aid digestion and are just healthy in themselves)
Brown bread instead of white

Good luck

edit on 25/12/11 by LightSpeedDriver because: ETA

This is great advice and what I might say though I am not a doctor either. What I like about this is you are not deprived. I would eat smaller snack type meals more often through out the day. The main thing is to switch to white meat for red, wheat flour for the white and cut out all artificial stuff that you really don't know what you are eating anyway. And you don't know what you are eating when you consume soda pop, prepared foods and some of the rest. Make intelligent choices but there are lots of great good choices. There ARE many food items and nutritional foods to choose from, even without a Whole Foods store handy but you CAN'T succeed by focusing on what you are giving up. That just won't work psychologically. There ARE a million things you can't have...

BUT there are a million things you CAN have.
Focus on those. It is simply learning not to "be a baby" who grabs at the first thing they see simply because it is there. That is the first lesson of diet discipline and control. Don't be a baby. Don't act and respond like an infant to what ever is placed in your field of view. With a baby...it ALL goes in the mouth.

Originally posted by Saucerwench
I need to know if any of you all figured out the best way to overcome "induction flu". At one point in my life, a couple of times, I went zero carbs. In my post menopausal (dead metabolism) age, I rapidly lost though. BUT I got very lethargic. Just overall sick feeling like I was dying. So much for weight loss.

OR: Maybe my question should be, what is the secret to skinny-dum --after-- 50? Without keeling over dead?

THANKS ATSers.

I found that nothing matters at all but serving size. We really need a lot less food them we think! When you read on a product the serving size THAT IS the amount you are supposed to eat. Like a can of Campbells soup is TWO servings some say 2.5!!
I found the fist size rule for each item on the plate works for everyone. My big hubby big fist his serving my little tiny had is fit for my tummy size.

Originally posted by Saucerwench
reply to post by metalshredmetal

 

When I went pure veggies and fruits is when I rapidly lost, but I got sick. I wonder, if I included seeds and nuts, if that would help then.

But yeah I know I need to jumpstart some serious exercise....

I think we intuitively KNOW when things are good for us...like fresh organic whole grain foods like bread..good... potato chips preserved for like forever in a bad in a warehouse with rancid oil...bad. :-) Really if we let our subconsciousness start talking and listen we never go wrong!!

Originally posted by niceguybob
Maybe not put Vegans in the same headline as Loser for an opening thread? Miss leading. I have Vegan friends. Good people.

Yeah, can be taken the wrong way. I think it meant loser as in someone who loses weight.

If you are overweight, don't eat just because you are hungry. It does not mean that your body needs food, it means your body wants food to sustain its current shape.

Those obese people who "need" to eat 3 chickens for lunch or they will be "still hungry" proves this I think.