Happy Solstice Day and the deceptions of the Churches

In these times of Holidays, there appears to be considerable information that presents the birth of Christ as being close to April 17. This date came from celestial back tracking that allowed a more precise dating for the birthday for Christ.

What we celebrate these days appears to be based upon the issues of the Solstice and those Pagan related holidays of old. Going back to the earliests of times, one finds that Babylon's King Nimrod appears to be the model used for these Dec. 25 Winter Solstice Pagan Holidays.

Thus, it is misleading to present that the Dec. 25 date is the real time for the birth of Christ. It is worse than just inaccurate because the issues of Babylon are the problems to which the Essene and Christ objected due to the corruption of religion that stemmed from the Babylon Talmud and the issues learned and mimiced from the Babylon Captivity.

In the following one might pick up on the issues of Why the Words of the Bible speak to the Harlot of Babylon and the 2nd temple being the Synagogue of Satan. It appears the failings to teach the real story of the Dates for these births and the real stories behind them are essential to connecting the dots on the NWO schemes. It appears the Dec. 25th date is much too close to the image of Satan than that for Christ and the churches lack of handing out the greater truths is a disservice to Christianity. Consider the following:

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"Nimrod started the great organized worldly apostasy
from God that has dominated this world until now.
Nimrod married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis.
After Nimrod's death, his so-called mother-wife,
Semiramis, propagated the evil doctrine of the survival
of Nimrod as a spirit being. She claimed a full-grown
evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump,
which symbolized the springing forth unto new life
of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth,
she claimed, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree
and leave gifts upon it. December 25th, was the birthday
of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree."
-The Plain Truth About Christmas
by David J. Stewart | December 24th, 2005

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"The real origin of Christmas goes back to ancient
Babylon. It is bound up in the organized apostasy
with which Satan has gripped a deceived world these
many centuries! In Egypt, it was always believed that
the son of Iris (Egyptian name for "Queen of Heaven")
was born December 25th. Semiramis also bore the title
"Queen of Heaven" - and she was Nimrod's mother.
Paganism celebrated this famous birthday over most
of the known world for centuries before the birth
of Christ."
-The Plain Truth About Christmas
by David J. Stewart | December 24th, 2005

"Christmas as a pagan holiday traces back
thousands of years before to a man named Nimrod,
founder of ancient pagan Babylon."
-Christmas Unwrapped
From the History Channel
by Alan Mansager



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Christmas, as everybody knows, is not the birthday of Christ. He was not born in the middle of Winter, we know that for sure because the sheep were out in the fields. It would have been very cold at night in the hills of Judea and it has always been the practice of shepherds in that area, not to keep sheep in the fields after about the end of October. It is also extremely unlikely that Herod would have ordered people to travel to their home towns for registration in the middle of Winter.

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The Roman Catholic Church, in their attempt to make converts from among the pagans, felt that they had to find a way to indentify culturally with them. They had the Biblical story of the miraculous virgin birth of Christ, so they decided it must have happened on 25 December and the pagans were invited to come to church and worship him. Thus there was a position of ambiguity, where some people might have genuinely converted to Christianity while others turned up just to indulge in the latest religious innovation. It was equivalent to the inclusion of Jesus in the Roman pantheon of the gods, a matter which the early church had firmly resisted at the cost of the death of many martyrs.


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Christ did not exist. The entire bible is a work of fiction. None of the events in it actually happened and none of the people in the book ever existed.

The book was written many years after the events it pretends to be a historical record of.

Complete fiction written by educated clever devious minds that aimed to use it as a tool to base a control and land owning based religion around. The whole scam was dependent on the gullible believing the outrageous claims of these missionary con-artists. The book was the key to it. It's in the book, it must be true.

Centuries later the date of 'Christmas' was chosen as a good time of year for a winter festival and a convenient and easy way to assimilate early pagan and pictish societies into Christianity by overlapping with the solstice.

Jesus birthday has nothing to do with it as his true nature as a fictional character means he wasn't actually born at all. Speculating about the actual date seems a bit pointless once you realise that.

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reply to post by MagnumOpus


Merry Christmas and God bless!

When the Romans absorbed Christianity to use as a form of control over their people rather than its intended purpose, they combined a lot of their previous pagan values into the new roman christian religion so as to convert the pagans.

The cross they used to nail people up on was a pagan symbol and for obvious reasons became the symbol for Christianity. Same as Christmas and all its symbolism.

Has nothing to do with the validity of the religion itself.

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Until you do the work to find the date from the clues. Consider this video series. The dates associated with Jesus from the clues in the Bible and the use of tracking software confirm that December 25th and April 3, 33 AD are accurate.

Date of the first Christmas:



Date of the Cross



The eclipse from the moon. The moment of Christ's passing.

So by your reasoning... if I was born on the same day as Hitler, I would be a Nazi.

If I celebrated my birthday on the same day as Stalin, I would be a Communist.

So... if we celebrate the birth of Christ on or near the winter solstice, it has to be pagan.

So, if I was born on a full moon, would I be a werewolf?

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
So by your reasoning... if I was born on the same day as Hitler, I would be a Nazi.

If I celebrated my birthday on the same day as Stalin, I would be a Communist.

So... if we celebrate the birth of Christ on or near the winter solstice, it has to be pagan.

So, if I was born on a full moon, would I be a werewolf?

If you want a people who had other Gods to worship the God of your new upstart religion a really good way to do that is to carry over some of their spiritual practices. Not try to change everything all at once --or at least that was the logic then.

Some Pagan holidays were incorporated into the new Christian religion not just Christmas. Easter is Ostara (a Pagan holiday that predates Christianity) as well. And the symbols of these holidays --the "Christmas" tree, the Yule log, Easter eggs and more --carried over. All Saints Day/All Souls Day is a Christian holiday that was devised to take the place of Samhain or Halloween. Wherever there was a major holiday in the Pagan religions, Christianity invented one to take its place.

This was all done to ease the Pagans into Christianity. To make them feel more comfortable with it...it was that or kill them (which was also done when they refused to accept the new religion).

As far as Jesus' actual birth...its hard to verify a date for a mythical character. I have heard various dates given by "experts" for his birth which have included "sometime in the summer," "in September," "April" and there are those who just will always believe it was December 25th. Its still being argued. Will always be.

A rather interesting coin turned up that from Syria that was discovered by Molnar which adds to the theme for a Special Star. Allow me to toss out a little more weight onto the theme for April 17 for review:

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"The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi has stunning new insight and approach, which finally gives a confident answer to a question that has fascinated all Christians through the ages. ... don't buy any other book on the Star of Bethlehem, because the old astronomical views are guaranteed to be irrelevant." — Prof. Bradley E. Schaefer, Yale University
Could the purchase of an ancient coin have led to an important clue about the Star of Bethlehem? The above illustration is a Roman coin from Antioch, Syria which shows the zodiacal sign, Aries the Ram. In trying to understand the meaning behind this coin, I found that Aries was the sign of the Jews. Realizing that this is where ancient stargazers would have watched for the Star of Bethlehem, I embarked on searching for the celestial event that signified the birth of the Messiah in Judea.

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"It is one of the few works on this subject that is historically sensitive to the era ... He's not just trying to think from modern terms of how we'd look for a star in the sky."-Dr. Owen Gingerich, Harvard Smithsonian Center for the Astrophysics." -Morning News (Dallas, Texas)

"Among its other virtues, ‘The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi’ is the first explanation of astrology I've read that is clear, unprejudiced, easy to follow, and makes any sense. Molnar pinpoints a remarkable conjunction of sun, moon, and the five then-known planets in Aries in the spring of 6 B.C., which would explain the key points of Matthew's story, and puts Jesus' birth at April 17, 6 B.C ."-News and Record - Greensboro (North Carolina)

"And because sophisticated computer calculations reveal that such an eclipse did occur on April seventeenth in the year 6 B.C., Molnar fixes this as the celestial event that signaled the Christ child's birth. ... The uncanny fit of all the ancient and modern pieces of this puzzle makes for a highly persuasive argument."-Booklist

"The first revolution in star of Bethlehem research since the days of Kepler."- Bradley E. Schaefer, University of Texas


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In December 2002, "the Star of Bethlehem" was taken up in the Christmas Special Program, "the Research of Holy Night" in the History Channel of SkyPerfec TV of the Satellite Broadcasting. The new theory of the Astronomer "Dr. Michael R. Molnar" was introduced there. He found the old coin which made it associate "the Star of Bethlehem" at a certain exhibition. The old coin was made in Syria in 13 A.D. On the side of it, Zeus of the Greek mythology which shows "a king" is drawn. On another side of it, the picture, which the sheep of 12 constellation is flying in the sky and is looking back at the star twinkling in the east, is drawn. An ancient constellation showed a specific area, too, and the Aries showed "the land of the Judea or Israeli area." Since Dr. Molnar found the old coin, he has been researching for "the Star of Bethlehem." Since the Magus, who came from Babylonia area when Jesus was born, were the scholars who used astrology to predict a future, Dr. Molnar thought that the Babylonian astrology had related "the Star of Bethlehem." And he got today's theory that Jesus was born at the time of the eclipse of the Jupiter.

We agree with the theory of Dr. Michael R. Molnar, Astronomer, about the Christmas Star based on "The Coins of Antioch." Following his theory, we also inspected the sky over the east of the birth place with the software of the astronomical simulator. And now we believe very strongly that the true birthday of our Savior, Jesus Christ, was April 17, 6 B.C.

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In addition to the discovery of this Syrian Area coin, there comes special astological modeling programs that allow folks to predict these alignment's date. There is a whole lot more to the Christ Story, as the issues of the Essene of the area of Mt. Carmel, the Essene Quarter of Jerusalem, and that for the Dead Sea are coming more into view. The Essene departures from the religious views of the Sadducee and Pharisee are coming into the light.

There appears to be a rich story of the Essene and their differences with the two other sects of the Jewish region, but few churches present the story of the third religious sect of the Hewbrews of this region. It appears the economic issues of the church better liked the story of the Pharisee than that for the Essene. When one takes the time to study the Essene and their dislike for the Babylon Talmud and the 2nd Temples practices, there leaves little doubt there was a person called Christ in this period.

In the times since the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947, the religion world has opened its eyes more to the existance of the Essene sect of religion in the Holy Lands. They have discovered the Essene Quarter of old Jerusalem and how the Essene were the guardians for the Tomb of David and the famous Upper Room for the Last Supper sat over this Tomb.

Some of the more interesting examples of these discoveries appear on the Internet. In what was Phonecia, in the times of Jesus, people have discovered the ruins of the Essene Temple on Mt. Carmel and lots more history:


www.essene.com...


Likewise, Archiology around Jerusalem has found the Essene Gate there and the outside the wall baths and toilet facilties that only the Essene preferred.


www.centuryone.org...


And lots more, beyond the Bible, findings about what the Essene believed and taught in these ancient times.

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Having established what the ancient Essenes believed about life, we will now consider how they actually lived. While some Essenes lived in private homes in towns and cities, most of them lived in communal villages. There were many Essene communal villages in Israel, and several in Egypt. As described previously, Jesus was primarily associated with the Essene Nazarene communal village near Mount Carmel. Many pie-in-the-sky utopian communities have been very short-lived due to their failure to adequately address such basic human needs as food, employment and health care; but the ancient Essenes created communal villages that thrived for centuries. Although they were advanced mystics with profound cosmological and theological beliefs, they obviously must have mastered the practical aspects of daily life, as well as the philosophic. We now ask four very practical questions: How did they organize themselves? How did they feed themselves? How were their members employed? What type of health care did they practice and provide for their members?

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Some of the Essenes worked as teachers. Hall writes:



"That the intellectual level of the community was high can be gathered from the historical accounts of the sect. Essenes were selected as teachers of the young and Roman officials residing in Palestine selected these mystics, preferring them to scholars of other Jewish sects or tutors sent from Rome. Under the gentle guidance of these godly men, children received not only learning, but also enlightenment."


Some Essenes worked as doctors. Hall reports:



"Some of the Essenes practiced medicine and healed the sick.... They were especially mindful of the poor, who could not afford to engage physicians. When the Essenian doctor attended a patient, he would not only prescribe a remedy, but would also clean the house, do the mending and washing and any other task which sickness had interrupted. If some gift was forced upon him by one of the grateful, it was placed in the general storehouse of the sect."


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It was into the ancient and mystical B'nai-Amen Temple of the Nazorean that Jesus was born; as it is written: "He shall be called a Nazorean!" (Matthew 2:23). This B'nai-Amen Temple was the advanced level of the Nazorean Covenant which brought forth the "Chosen Ones," and is that advanced level of truth which Jesus has again restored and is again seeking to make available to all righteous Nazorean who wish to espouse its fullness.

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For 20 centuries, most of the life of Jesus has been hidden or suppressed, but modern archeological discoveries have now shed new light on his enigmatic life. Archeologists have now proven that the city of Nazareth did not exist until three centuries after his death, and questions long debated in scholarly circles are now coming to the forefront.

Armed with ancient sources like the Dead Sea Scrolls, the papyrus books of Nag Hammadi, and the long overlooked writings from the early church, modern scholars and theologians are reconstructing the life and times of Jesus, and what they are finding is very different from the life and teachings we have been "led to believe."


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At the time of Jesus, there were three major Jewish Sects. The Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Essenes. The Pharisees and the Sadducees were relatively similar in their beliefs and traditions, but the Essenes were radically different and openly opposed the theology, doctrines, and the spiritual integrity of both the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

There are numerous historical, literary and archaeological accounts of the existence of the Essenes, yet the bible is strangely silent about them. We know of their specific geographic locations throughout Egypt and ancient Palestine, we know of their customs and traditions, and we know the details of their deeply rooted spiritual convictions and of their esoteric religious beliefs.

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At the time of Jesus, there were three distinct Essenian groups that played important roles in his life, and their religious practices and spiritual theology mirror in his teachings. They were:

The Theraputae of Egypt; where the infant Christ and his family fled during Herods rein.
The Essenes of Qumran (Dead Sea Scrolls), the strict, celibate monastery of which John the Baptist was a part.
The Nazarenes of Mount Carmel, the cooperative family village where Jesus lived and studied.
Josephus and other classic writers tell us of the Essenes and their intense appreciation for the inspired Law of God and that they "strove to be like the angels of heaven." They also opposed slavery, the sacrificing of animals and the eating of flesh.

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The Bottom Line for these old histories is starting to line up and show the real history of those times, and that there well could be a real person who came into popular acceptance in these times and threatened the seat of power from the 2nd temple due to their more pious beliefs and teachings on Religion. It appears this most pious sect of religion were the real "Chosen Ones" of God, and not the 2nd Temples Synagogue of Satan.

The story of the Essene tells how they broke off from the Jewish sects that came from the Babylon Captivity and wrote the Babylon Talmud and these were the 2nd temple corruption of religion that the Essene and Jesus called a Den of Snakes, Harlot Babylon, and Satan.

Merry Christmas everyone!
May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all of you.
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In search of the real Christmas Message


Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone, but perhaps we really need to wish folks Happy Solstice for December 25th. In taking this Seasonal Holiday time to lend some thoughts on Christmas, I take note that folks are often mislead from the true meaning for Christ or Jesus. There is too much "money changer" like capitalistic extreme attention and profit design paid to giving presents and spending money, than serious study and respect for the frugal ideals of Jesus and being in service to others. Churches are more into misleading productions that enhance their bottom line and make the self-aggrandizing Preacher better funded with dollars, than seeking the learning from the often-scarce old religion history on Jesus. The truth is no one knows when Jesus was born exactly, but some Celestial linked evidence suggests on April 17, and the December 25 Christmas is just a symbolic date linked to Sun Worshiping old pagan customs linked with Babylon's King Nimrod. Nimrod, and all the Egyptian gods derived from Nimrod, holds December 25 as their birthdays. The real link is the Wise Men were seeking the time of Jupiter being inside Aries, a planetary Celestial alignment time when it was said a King would be born, and this seeking led them to the same Essene teachings and Joseph and Mary. Many of these Church productions violate the truth, and this dishonors the Holy Spirit of Jesus. But then, this was the original intent of the "Money Changers" and Pharisee, and it continues today with merchandising "profit taking" extremes. I am constantly in search of the real meanings and motivations for the season and wanted to share some thoughts on my search and the associations to present day issues.



Every Christmas, I think the first intelligent thing one notices is the Winter Solstice always sets the Christmas Day, like some of the old religion Celestially wise sages made a deal to incorporate the issues of an age old Sun God into the story of Jesus. Even more interesting is the issue of Jesus being described, in his time, as being a "Nazarene," and this connection being a location of Essene Culture of religion. The Essene take into account all of the old scripts clear back to the times of Enoch and further, and there has been much lost of these original histories due to religious power struggles and wars for control. Once we spot these associations, I think we can gain a real boost in understanding the Jesus movement of that time. Jesus is also a recurring icon of many like him that came before over the very same issues. The Essene were students of the Mystery Schools on nature, or God's Creations, and man's need to find the bigger truth. There were many Essene camps and the most famous were associated with Egypt and the Mystery School masters there. Celestial Signs were a big issue in these times. Others connected India's Vedic knowledge into the Essene base of knowledge. Jesus appears to have been taught by all these knowledge bases and Masters and what history on Jesus that exists appears to be told in this vogue of presentation. Yet, the Christian churches over dramatize and politicize many simple realities and fail to tell these important associations to everyone. I don't support this much misleading of the masses for monetary gain.



Mary and Joseph traveled to Egypt to escape the mandate to kill the children in these times because the Pharisee feared a rumored Essene Messiah that was more popular and truth filled than they. A well taught Messiah could well connect to the downtrodden peoples of these times, as the simple truths were told, and ruin the power of the corrupted Temple Pharisee. The Essene Masters well knew about the stories of Giants on the Earth and the stories of India and futuristic weapons and flying crafts. It was these schools of higher intelligence that Mary and Joseph, who were of the Royal Family of David, were exposed and decided to follow in the Essene craft to make someone so close to God's knowledge that he might become the Savior of Mankind via the reforms of many problems in religion. Jesus was a rebel and a truth teller and truth seeker. There was so much Celestial based intelligence in these early times that sought the truth more than control, and this appears the association of Jesus with the Winter Solstice, and the time of the Sun's symbolic rebirth. There was too much Celestial knowledge to have come from the simple terrestrial peoples of these times that the issues of Angles come to Earth and weapons from the Giants had to be extraterrestrial in origin or God Like beings from the Heavens associated.


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My searching and studies tend to point out that Joseph and Mary were high Masters in the Essene Mystery Schools and of Royal blood line linage to King David. Joseph, Mary, and Jesus were part of the Throne of David Royals of their time, yet shunned by the Evil Pharisee and their corrupt Temple. They had the money and connections to travel to Egypt to avoid those in fear of a New Born Messiah, which was more than likely the fear of the plan of the Nazarene’s to raise a high Essene Master who would be so close to the teachings of God that he served at the Hand of God. There was not much written of Jesus in these early times, until the times of the death of his father, and then his taking on what appears to be his father's teachings and the Essene's designs for a Messiah to come save the downtrodden masses. These stories of Jesus were all told in the Essene's vogues. The Essene appears to have known the story of the Harlot of Babylon and King Nimrod, and when the Israelites were taken into captivity by Babylon and wrote their Babylon Talmud, it was corrupted by these King Nimrod religion methods.



One of the age-old themes appears to be the issues of the Royals to Rule and Control areas using religion and feigned closeness to God's wishes. There were issues with the evil methods of Babylon's corruption of religion from a tyrant King Nimrod who tried to become god, to somewhat more sane and peace seeking leaders. King David appeared to have had the better balance, but this again decayed away in the times of the Pharisee and Sadducee, who were interested in economic wealth and control using the god temple as their symbol for the People's allegiance. David became significant as he took down the last of the evil giants in these times. In many ways, this old 2nd Temple symbolism represents the extreme "Capitalism" and Zionism like goals, as compared to the more "Socialistic" ideals of equality for all and service to all that Jesus and the Essene came to symbolize. In the US political system it appears that Jesus was far to socialistic for them to admit, and thus these real associations of Jesus are intentionally hidden in Western Christian Church teachings to the masses. It appears the human race has not learned much in these last 2,000 years, as they still have large battles over this same issue of Extreme Pharisee Capitalism using religion to misguide the masses vs the more Constitutional and Social Democracy goals that emulate the Essene and Jesus values.



Today, many of the teachings of these Mystery Schools ends up being captured by those interested in the rituals and skits of the Mason's Degree Dogma and their ideals to be designers and architects for God, which is the root of their Masonic Square and Compass symbolism. There is both good and bad captured via the Mason's Mystery School emulation. Jesus was quick to spot the games of the "Money Changers" and their games getting a percentage on the Temple's Taxes by requiring conversion to Gold "Shekels" for a conversion exchange price. It was this issue that we begin to see the values of Jesus in spotting the money games of the Temple, as he protested these games by turning over tables and calling the Pharisee a Den of Snakes and Synagogue of Satan. In too many ways, all the faked up marketing ideas on Christmas is more support of the Money Changers than telling the real story of Jesus and what he wanted to accomplish in the Essene tradition. The same game is going on today, but we call it the "Federal Reserve” System that makes use of usury and inflation to steal money or value invisibly from people's pockets by inflation. It is this age old game of the corruption of royal powers using religion as the tool to take the people's money and push for wider economic control via making wars.


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Truly, this is the root of the New Testament's visions on wars and rumors of wars for the end times. Even the great Masonic leader Albert Pike wrote much toward this theme calling for three wars. It is said that perhaps the most brilliant of the Constitutionalists was Thomas Jefferson and he appears to have understood these Masonic precepts as well as any Essene Master and Jesus himself, as Jefferson was as well read as a 33rd Mason, yet not a Mason. Jesus only lives on today via these most truthful of teachings of these old issues and the antichrist issues still infect society today to conceal the simple truths of Jesus. In retrospect it appears to have become a wrong to celebrate the Birth of Christ on the birthday for Nimrod, as this misleads the masses from the needed truths. If we each make the better studies we can find "Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world." Unfortunately most Christian Church goers will never find the higher truths due so many games afoot to empower the Royal Money Changer Methods over that of the issues of Democratic Republic Values upon which the Constitution and the original 13 Colonies were based, as they fought the same Royal Money Skimming and power games. They were free for only a short time. Mason Ben Franklin again condemned the US to these Royal Money games and the games of big banking now enslave this nation and control its very Congress. Condemned we are, to repeat this same vile history again and again, most of all because of the misrepresentations of religion caught up in Capitalistic and Zionist power goals rather than the Essene's higher thought of everyone living in each other's care.



Today, the Essene’s balanced care of others has been replaced by economic control and servitude by a people "dumbed- down" by watered down fairy tales of religion and the toxic effects of fluoride pollution and toxic metals. The Money Changer Evils of God Chosen People's Temple is again being used to support economic slavery of the masses. Religion in the US today is the very same Temple Pharisee formula for power and control using skimming money. Truly, the US has become a massive new definition for Sodom and Gomorrah, and most can't see the real truth or wake up from the well-funded religious delusions of state power. Sodom and Gomorrah was just a Dead Sea Volcanic Rift Zone that spewed these same toxic metals and fluoride emissions into these cities and allowed it to fall into utter toxic linked chaos and debauchery due to Nature's forces. Today's News, the Movies, and the TV are well controlled to prevent any mass exposure of the real story of Jesus and the simple truth that should be told for the Real Story of Christmas. When the real story of Christmas and Jesus is allowed to be seen by all, we shall again know the Savior has come among us. Until then, we seem to be in the Satan's Grip all the more tightly.



We have seen a few come along to try to return the state to the ideals of Jesus. Thomas Jefferson was one, as they both were amazingly enlightened with higher intelligence. A similarly enlightened JFK was murdered in broad daylight by this same system that killed Jesus in his day, yet the US is blind to making such obvious associations to these same motives. This Christmas, as in all before, I choose to recall the whole story of Christmas, and piece together the most relevant history for the final push into the kinder and gentler times that the Prophecies, the Essene and Jesus foretold. In the End-Times, the real issues are to become obvious to the masses, and I think that time is nearing. So, spread the word of these self-evident truths far and wide. Keep up a strong and persistent vigil for all the real knowledge of man's efforts to design and engineer religions to its political needs of the respective times, and always beware of many wrong turns and stand against those.



Knowledge empowers and I'd dare everyone to no longer be ruled by superstition and fear created by those in power, and thus become rulers over their own Destiny. In closing, perhaps for intelligent folk, I may be most accurate to wish everyone a "Happy Fake Christ Birthday" that empowers the loss of his Holy Identity via mass merchandizing.

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Hello "Already Gone",

You may have the reasoning time-line logic reversed. Nimrod was born on December 25, and Jesus was born around April 17. Nimrod was thousand of years earlier in history, as Noah's great-grandson, but they picked his birthday to celebrate as Jesus'.

The religion leaders of the period were not sure about the date on when Jesus was born, so they picked Dec. 25 so they could bring in the old pagan types that liked the image of Yule Logs and Christmas trees, and the issues of the Solstice and death and renewal imagery.

Also, the religious leaders, of the time, likely liked the Babylon Talmud and having Kings and garnering wealth for power and control over the masses. Jesus and the Essene's beliefs didn't fit their power structure too well.


I think for a proper comparative association, the better analogy would be to propose that your birthday's real date was ignored and someone picked Hitlers and April 20 for the date to celebrate your birthday because some propose Hitler was a good guy they wanted to emulate. After all Hitler's super corporation, IG Farben, almost took over the world with the 3rd Reicht's NWO and the NWO advocates would like to use you to further that purpose.


The rest of the reason to get to the real date for Jesus is that the better forensic science methods are coming into existance along with books other than the Bible that support these events. So, it is about righting the history, getting into the existance of the Essene and their Mystery School's teachings. Why the Essene broke with the 2nd Temple's beliefs and their Babylon Talmud corruptions of the older beliefs, And the values of the church in these periods to be used as elements for power and control, which the Nimrod methods better fit. Then one can see similarly why the Vatican broke with the Knights Templars, and had them killed as their Jesus Essene like methods started to carry more economic control than the Vatican.

History is supposed to be accurate and not abducted and exploited for certain faction's gains. In this case the corruption of history confuses the essential truths needed to keep from repeating screwed up elements of the history. Money and power corrupted just as much back then as it does today.

When one digs down deep enough one finds the Essene Sect was the most Pious of the Religion followers and only they were given the name of Chosen Ones. And when one gets on into the New Testament and Revelations one can see that the success of Israel depends on this element of truth. Just as the 2nd temple's religion games failed in 70AD, those that reinstated Israel before the beliefs of the Essene won out are destined for great troubles. In terms of these Christians, many want these false games in Israel to bring forth the issues of Armageddon, so that it will usher in the story of Armageddon and the times of the Essene Beliefs for religion to which Jesus was the Master teacher in an earlier period.

Thus, to properly teach the story of Jesus and set the history down more correctly it becomes needed to place the Jesus Birth Date on the correct date and to separate it from those elements that tried to use Numrod's birthday, the games of old Babylon to corrupt religion, and then address the present day problems due to these bad associations.

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Hello Metro,

Very good associations with Rome and the Symbol of the Cross. Rome was all about control over regions in these times of their Empire, and they used fear of the most terrible forms of death. But the contant wars to keep their regions and the corruption in Rome led to their eventual downfall. The recovery was the Byzantine Empire, or Eastern Roman Empire, and their adoption for the ways of Peace and avoidance of so many wars.

The Byzantine's picked up on the values of the Virgin Mary and the ways of the Essene and they then came to have one of the longest running societies in history. The Vatican changed into the beliefs in Christ, but they also kept up their wars for control.

Even the Knights templar's beliefs in the Essene ways became too much of a threat to the Vatican's need for power. For the longest of times the Vatican beliefs kept separate, in the same ways as Jesus and the Essene, that the issues of the Babylon Talmud were one in the same with the issues of the Anti-Christ.

Today, the church is still being used to confuse the masses about what faction of religion was the most honest and pious as to be termed the Chosen Ones.

Only when the history and dates are correctly told and associated can the masses become better informed and the better ways of Peace and Truth again come into view.