Happy birthday Jesus... You are the reason for the season!!! (Pagan propaganda refuted)

Happy birthday Lord! Yes even if you were born on a different day I celebrate and praise you everyday- thanks for rescuing me from the person I was becoming and turning my life around- you're the best- Love you always!






I am aware that the 25th of december is not likely to be the birth date of Jesus' but the date is irrelevant... I still celebrate his birth and recognize his sacrifice to save mankind. The bible celebrates his birth right up from Genesis to the new testement, so I will too. IT is Unbiblical NOT to Celebrate THE COMING OF THE CHRIST (Christmas). The most accurate date of his birth would be around September/October time of the feast of tabernacle. The truth is we don't know the exact date so the 25th is as good as day as any other. How and when you celebrate his birth is up to you and the lord.

I am a Christian, but tomorrow is not Christ's birthday. It is the Catholicized adoption of a pagan winter solstice celebration. If we were to assume for a moment that it actually was the date for the birth of Christ, then our method of celebrating it would be an idolatrous abomination.

Although I won't be celebrating the religious observations of Christmas, I will be partaking somewhat of the secular Christmas, and am also acknowledging the birth of a revered teacher who fought hypocrisy in his day and ultimately died for his teachings.

Merry Christmas.

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Happy birthday Lord! Yes even if you were born on a different day I celebrate and praise you everyday- thanks for rescuing me from the person I was becoming and turning my life around- you're the best- Love you always!

Amen.

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To me Christmas is the celebration of Christ's birth....he allowed himself to be born into this world...to teach us and give to us the gifts of salvation, redemption and forgiveness. He let us know that we can change and have a new beginning in life.

So...in my heart..when I give a gift to someone at Christmas time ....it is a symbolic gesture of the gifts Christ gave to human kind.

Happy Birthday Jesus! Thank you for giving us all a chance.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I am a Christian, but tomorrow is not Christ's birthday. It is the Catholicized adoption of a pagan winter solstice celebration. If we were to assume for a moment that it actually was the date for the birth of Christ, then our method of celebrating it would be an idolatrous abomination.

Watch the videos. To not celebrate Christmas is unbiblical. Yes the 25th date was set by the emperor Constantine, but he likely had influence from early church fathers. I will say happy birthday to the Lord tomorrow and not be ashamed, that is exactly what the pagans want you to feel. If you don't say happy birthday tomorrow then which date will you reserve to celebrate his birth? Tomorrow is as good as day as any!

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He was more then a teacher, he IS God in the flesh. I pray that one day your eyes will be opened.

Merry Christmas!

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I am a Christian, but tomorrow is not Christ's birthday. It is the Catholicized adoption of a pagan winter solstice celebration. If we were to assume for a moment that it actually was the date for the birth of Christ, then our method of celebrating it would be an idolatrous abomination.

Watch the videos. To not celebrate Christmas is unbiblical. Yes the 25th date was set by the emperor Constantine, but he likely had influence from early church fathers. I will say happy birthday to the Lord tomorrow and not be ashamed, that is exactly what the pagans/catholics want you to feel. If you don't say happy birthday tomorrow then which date will you reserve to celebrate his birth? Tomorrow is as good as day as any!

Celebrating his birth is missing the point imo. His death and more importantly his resurrection, are the truly important events. True, both would be impossible without his birth, that is a given. It is the way in which it is "celebrated" that truly horrifies me. It is outright obeisance to mammon. Wealth and money are truly worshiped on the altar of consumerism.

I am the Lord Thy GOD, and thou shall have no other gods before me

The way December 25th is celebrated is an outright slap in the face of GOD.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I am a Christian, but tomorrow is not Christ's birthday. It is the Catholicized adoption of a pagan winter solstice celebration. If we were to assume for a moment that it actually was the date for the birth of Christ, then our method of celebrating it would be an idolatrous abomination.

Watch the videos. To not celebrate Christmas is unbiblical. Yes the 25th date was set by the emperor Constantine, but he likely had influence from early church fathers. I will say happy birthday to the Lord tomorrow and not be ashamed, that is exactly what the pagans/catholics want you to feel. If you don't say happy birthday tomorrow then which date will you reserve to celebrate his birth? Tomorrow is as good as day as any!

The answer is given in your video Romans 14 5-6. Should you choose to celebrate the day God bless you. I hope you are truly celebrating HIM and not mammon though.

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The way December 25th is celebrated is an outright slap in the face of GOD.

That was brought up in the video, but I think its only a insult to God depending on your intentions. If your intentions for Christmas is to use it as an excuse to get drunk, eat lots of food and make a fool off your self then yes... But if you use this date to bring glory to God by celebrating the birth of Christ, Just like the angels and prophets did, then your intentions are pure. But to completely not celebrate it at all is unbiblical and you are in error. As we do not know his exact birth date their is nothing wrong with saying happy birthday to Jesus on the 25th, and I am sure he will not be insulted regarding the date as the bible doesn't specifically tell us. If we are missing the point like you say then so were the angels and prophets.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I am a Christian, but tomorrow is not Christ's birthday. It is the Catholicized adoption of a pagan winter solstice celebration. If we were to assume for a moment that it actually was the date for the birth of Christ, then our method of celebrating it would be an idolatrous abomination.

Watch the videos. To not celebrate Christmas is unbiblical. Yes the 25th date was set by the emperor Constantine, but he likely had influence from early church fathers. I will say happy birthday to the Lord tomorrow and not be ashamed, that is exactly what the pagans/catholics want you to feel. If you don't say happy birthday tomorrow then which date will you reserve to celebrate his birth? Tomorrow is as good as day as any!

Hey now... My WHOLE Chatholic family practices and worships just as you do... Careful. I'll take my flag back.

Remember... Follow your belief to the end. Dont accuse another man (or people who belong to a religion) a fool... Or you have no reward. Be Christian like in your words... But also in your actions. Otherwise, you would be a hippocrite...

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His death and more importantly his resurrection, are the truly important events.

Agreed, that is why every spring the celebration Jesus commanded us to follow is infinitely more important than Christmas regardless of your stance. Jesus never gave his followers an edict to celebrate his birth, but he did on his last passover or "Last Meal".

Luke 22:19

He took bread and he gave thanks, he broke and he gave to them and he said, “This is my body, which shall be given for the sake of your persons. You shall be doing this to commemorate me.”

1 Corinthians 11: 23-26

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is fore you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Of all the people on the internet, I would think ATS members would know and understand the true origins of Christmas.
And they are not inspired by God or Jesus.

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As long as you are worshipping/praying to our King Jesus and not to Mary then I have no problem with you as a catholic. And I am sorry if I caused you offence.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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The way December 25th is celebrated is an outright slap in the face of GOD.

That was brought up in the video, but I think its only a insult to God depending on your intentions. If your intentions for Christmas is to use it as an excuse to get drunk, eat lots of food and make a fool off your self then yes... But if you use this date to bring glory to God by celebrating the birth of Christ, Just like the angels and prophets did, then your intentions are pure. But to completely not celebrate it at all is unbiblical and you are in error. As we do not know his exact birth date their is nothing wrong with saying happy birthday to Jesus on the 25th, and I am sure he will not be insulted regarding the date as the bible doesn't specifically tell us. If we are missing the point like you say then so were the angels and prophets.

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It is not the "date" that I am against(though I believe it to be incorrect), it is the way his birth is "celebrated". Christmas trees, wreaths, mistletoe, satan claus, and consumerism to excess and beyond. There is no "Christ" in Christmas as it is "celebrated". The people worship at the altar of mammon even to the point of enslaving themselves with crushing debt. How would our savior bless such? Even where the nativity is permitted, it is UN-Biblical. There were no magi in attendance at his birth. They came much later, up to 1 - 2 years later. The "Christmas music" has little or nothing to do with him. It makes me want to vomit.

this is my stand on the subject:

The birth of our savior YAHUSHUA or Christ (Greek) is not december 25th and i refuse to partake in that tradition. YAHUSHUA was born on the Sukkot, a Jewish holy day, NOT "holiday"
Everyone here on ATS should know why Christmas was set aside for December 25th; Christmas is a Pagan holiday.

I'd rather observe Hanukkah than Christmas TBH

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Exactly. Sin and Satan were not defeated by his birth(wonderful though it was), it was his death as our sacrificial lamb that saved us.

Deny ignorance at ATS, Happy Pirated Pagan Holiday! Tell me, why people were celebrating December 25th BEFORE Constantine 'declared' it Jesus' Birthday? Sol Inviticus. It is the birth of the SUN, not the son. It was much easier in those days to adapt former religious views than to change everyone's mind. Funny how Constantine changed his ideas about Catholicism in a few short years. Just as Rome was beginning to fall. He couldn't control his country with military, so he forced an idea on everyone to maintain control. I did my thesis on this. You must look past dogma and examine the facts for what they are. For hundreds of years before the development of Catholicism, people were celebrating this holiday.

But would your Jesus really want you to be so intolerant? Would he want you to argue just as other religions that you are right and therefore everyone else is wrong? Have you read the Gnostic bible or the Nag Hammadi texts and compared them to the writings of prior civilizations?

I suggest that until you get your Masters or even a Doctorate in Theology, you leave the debate to those more informed. Enjoy the season, show your kindness and believe what you will... but belief doesn't make you right.

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It is not the "date" that I am against(though I believe it to be incorrect), it is the way his birth is "celebrated". Christmas trees, wreaths, mistletoe, satan claus, and consumerism to excess and beyond.

Those things are merely traditions. I am against santa claus as they try to replace Christ with him and I happen agree with you about the focus on consumerism... Although giving is a good thing. Aslong as we dedicate this day to Christ I don't see anything wrong with the christmas tree and mistle toe though.

There is no "Christ" in Christmas as it is "celebrated".

Maybe not for some people, but I as a Christian will always celebrate Christmas for Christ. Part of the reason I made this thread was for exactly that reason. Because I am against the worship of mammon/consumerism which is the fake Christmas.

even to the point of enslaving themselves with crushing debt

That is obviously not good.

You raise some good points but I didn't make this thread to argue whether you should celebrate it or not, which day or how you do it is up to you, I think its important to celebrate the birth though. Unfortunately consumerism is a big part of society these days, but if we're smart as Christians we can use this date to our advantage by using it as a time to bring the focus back to Christ. Like wise I also don't think you will get many blessings for being a grinch on this holy day. For me Christmas is all about finding a balance and bringing the attention back to Christ which many people seem to forget about - especially the younger generation.

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My eyes are very much open, and yes he was what one may call God in the same way we are all God, or unique expressions of that. I think Jesus set out to teach that, but some chose to put him upon a pedestal and deify him rather than put his teachings to heart instead of his image.

But I understand what you mean. Have a wonderful Christmas.

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I CAN GIVE YOU 11 BIBLICAL reasons (Below) why we should celebrate the birth SPECIFICALLY. You cannot give me ONE biblical reason why we should not SPECIFICALLY celebrate the birth of the Christ.

1. THE OLD TESTAMENT CELEBRATES IT

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Isaiah 9
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

2. The FIRST PAGE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT CELEBRATES IT

Matthew 1:21-23
21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
23 "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"-- which means, "God with us."

3. ALL FOUR GOSPELS CELEBRATE IT - That is WHY they were written!

4. MATTHEW AND LUKE devote 2 Chapters each to the event
5. John celebrates the Word BECOMING flesh and DWELLING AMONG us

6. The Author of Hebrews celebrates it

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."

7. Paul celebrates it and declares it to be central to the Gospel message

Galatians 4:4-5
4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,
5 to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons.

1 Corinthians 15:47-49
47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

8. The angels celebrated it
9. The Shepherds celebrated it
10. The wisemen celebrated it
11. It is the most CELEBRATED SINGULAR event in the entire Bible - HOW and WHEN you celebrate is up to you...but you SHOULD celebrate it to be biblical.