One person should only be so rich.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Wow you quote earthcitizen on a list of evil doers with soros include in that list and then try to make it seem like he is overlooking soros.

Then you edit,twice, and keep going on about Soros.

Time to take a deep breath and slow things down a bit.

I did not include Earthcitizen on a list of evildoers. What in the world are you talking about? Do not twist the words, but any responsible person can see you misrepresent what I say. The average person is not on the level of a Soros or a Rockefeller type manipulation. Perhaps you ought to try really listening instead of jumping to erroneous conclusions.

Where is this supposed list?

Any edits I've made have nothing to do with lists of evildoers and Earthcitizen.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

So you are basically saying it is ok to go after and prosecute left wing criminals, but lets look the other way for right wing criminals.....

What I undestood from all that was that Soros talks socialist but acts capitalist. He's a capitalist in socialist's clothing. The rest seems contradictory since making him out to be a fake socialist really doesn't make for much of an argument.

Or a Socialist in Capitalist clothing. Either way, he is manipulating one to achieve the other.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
This does not mean one has to fold and just accept the evil. As people here are saying the One World Govt may be or seem to be inevitable, but my point is that human justice is not bringing the wicked to justice, and therefore the only answer is that the ultimate justice will be from the hand of the Divine.

Actually that is what it means. How is the anti-christ gonna become the head of the one world government if we throw him in the slammer?

All the evil is part of the end times prophecy. I am not a christian but I do know that according to the bible that is how its supposed to happen.

Also in regards to your other posts, I didn't say you included earthcitizen in a list of "evil doers" (my words). I said you quoted a list of evil doers that he posted. The one below in this post

Not only that but the higher a taxation system is on the super-wealthy the fewer rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts exist. I have no beef with earning wealth and accumulating it, but please do not use it to purchase interest in the government

Soros is on that list but you accuse earthcitizen of overlooking Soros. I didn't twist anything.

Soros Capitalist or Socialist? Well, Actions speak louder than words. I would say that the actions of a person define what a person is. Would you say that Jim Jones was a man of god because he said he was or would you instead look to his actions to decide whether he was a man of god or not?

No, I accused OWS marchers of marching past Soros house on their way to trash Murdoch and Koch bros. If anyone happens to agree with OWS approach then so let it be.
I am not going to let your misrepresentation of my posts anger me. I merely gave my view of how this is going to be resolved after I was asked that question and generally it does not involve human justice.
If you are going to be hysterical about this I am going to just move away from the thread for a while.

Cheers.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
This does not mean one has to fold and just accept the evil. As people here are saying the One World Govt may be or seem to be inevitable, but my point is that human justice is not bringing the wicked to justice, and therefore the only answer is that the ultimate justice will be from the hand of the Divine.

Actually that is what it means. How is the anti-christ gonna become the head of the one world government if we throw him in the slammer?

All the evil is part of the end times prophecy. I am not a christian but I do know that according to the bible that is how its supposed to happen.

Also in regards to your other posts, I didn't say you included earthcitizen in a list of "evil doers" (my words). I said you quoted a list of evil doers that he posted. The one below in this post

Not only that but the higher a taxation system is on the super-wealthy the fewer rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts exist. I have no beef with earning wealth and accumulating it, but please do not use it to purchase interest in the government

Soros is on that list but you accuse earthcitizen of overlooking Soros. I didn't twist anything.

Soros Capitalist or Socialist? Well, Actions speak louder than words. I would say that the actions of a person define what a person is. Would you say that Jim Jones was a man of god because he said he was or would you instead look to his actions to decide whether he was a man of god or not?

edit on 27-12-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

It's not a list anyway. Is one person a list? Yes you did twist everything I said, but no matter. And if you really want to get into Jim Jones, it is said that he was into communism. Harvey Milk wrote a letter to Jimmy Carter saying what a man of good moral character Jones was. I think he was misguided terribly. But as long as we are on the subject of people claiming to be God, Jones easily fits the description of a false prophet or false Christ, and who knows maybe even some kind of psyop.
So is that just a cheap shot at religion by naming the leader of a known cult which ended in mass suicide and the deliberate murder of a Congressman?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Did you go back to your post? You quoted earthcitizen

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Not only that but the higher a taxation system is on the super-wealthy the fewer rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts exist. I have no beef with earning wealth and accumulating it, but please do not use it to purchase interest in the government

Then responded with (emphasis is mine)

Let's see, did you bother reading my post on how George Soros used his money to fight re-election of George Bush? Oh wait he's a socialist and so his manipulation of elections is fine with ya. Go go go MoveOn.org and Media Matters. Yaaaaaay Soros!
(I was a cheerleader in 6th grade)

There is no misrepresentation. Earthcitizen had clearly included him in the text that you quoted and then you go on to say that he is fine with Soros' manipulation of elections. I'm in no way getting hysterical just pointing this out and it is there plain as day.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Jim Jones was just an example of someone who says one thing when in fact he is another. We were talking about Soros talking socialist but being capitalist or vice versa. Nothing more than that.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Did you go back to your post? You quoted earthcitizen

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Not only that but the higher a taxation system is on the super-wealthy the fewer rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts exist. I have no beef with earning wealth and accumulating it, but please do not use it to purchase interest in the government

Then respnded with (emphasis is mine)

Let's see, did you bother reading my post on how George Soros used his money to fight re-election of George Bush? Oh wait he's a socialist and so his manipulation of elections is fine with ya. Go go go MoveOn.org and Media Matters. Yaaaaaay Soros!
(I was a cheerleader in 6th grade)

There is no misrepresentation. Earthcitizen had clearly included him in the text that you quoted and then you go on to say that he is fine with Soros' manipulation of elections. I'm in no way getting hysterical just pointing this out and it is there plain as day.

You are being completely silly about this. I have nowhere included anyone in a list of evildoers but Soros. There are many people who support Soros either knowingly or unkowingly. People of left leaning persuasion do seem to demonize the Kochs while applauding the efforts of Soros, or at least overlooking his influence.
But nowhere did I include EC in a list of evildoers. You misread the post for one thing.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Jim Jones was just an example of someone who says one thing when in fact he is another. We were talking about Soros talking socialist but being capitalist or vice versa. Nothing more than that.

Well, they say that serpents speak with a forked tongue. But if you read all my posts you would likely find where I quote someone else discussing that very aspect about him claiming to want to reform the very mechanism he is using as a tool, and recognizing the dichotomoy of using Capitalism to fund a socialist radical agenda, which is what Soros is doing.

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Is it really that hard? No one said you made a list I said you quoted earthcitizens list which was "rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts" then you accuse him of giving soros a free pass when he in fact had included soros among the people that should not be influencing government.

reply to post by daskakik

Actually that is what it means. How is the anti-christ gonna become the head of the one world government if we throw him in the slammer?

It is just my personal view he belongs in the slammer judgement or no judgement. Being in the slammer is likely a nicer deal than the "Second death". Anyway, I said he was evil, not the anti Christ.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by apacheman

 

You deserve 1,000 stars for your keen insight but won't get them from this moderator.

Some just don't understand, they are service to self - which is why our planet and her inhabitants are in the mess we are in.

The planet is run by psychopaths, people who simply only think of themselves.

I hope more people listen to both of you, keep it up you have support and encouragement.
Food, Shelter, Health Care and Education free for every soul on the planet, doesn't sound like too much to me, considering the volumes of dough floating in the ether. When that's achieved let 'em keep the rest, they'll deserve it then...

OP fantastic opening dialogue for our future, because the way it's gone on for so long already just aint working anymore
We are inhibiting our own growth as a species.
Bring on thee evolution

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Is it really that hard? No one said you made a list I said you quoted earthcitizens list which was "rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts" then you accuse him of giving soros a free pass when he in fact had included soros among the people that should not be influencing government.

edit on 27-12-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

I ssee what the mixup is here.
The post I was referring to was here

Wow. Who would have noticed that "soros and the rothschilds" need reining in, when all you hypocrites are the first TO ENCOURAGE unlimited wealth, no taxation, no government spending, no social welfare.

So while I said that I felt that Soros needed reining in, it was not because he has wealth, but because of the way he uses his wealth. Sure,EC brought up Soros and Rockefellers et al. Perhaps there is a bit of common ground here. But my principal argument is not that wealthy people should have a cap just because they are wealthy, but I have observed that some are using their wealth in extremely manipulative ways. Then I said that Soros got caught and convicted for insider trading. Then I pointed out that OWS marched past Soros' home and did not protest him while they focused on Murdoch and Koch. Even supporting a political campaign is not enough to indicte someone, but Soros is hugely manipulating the outcomes of the political process not only by supporting with his huge wealth the most radical of leftists, but also financing the most moderate of the opposition team, that being McCain. Even that is not exactly illegal is it? Soros is sneaky though and indirectly influences politics by his ghostlike endorsement of such movements as OWS, MoveOn, Media Matters, and so on. Again not illegal, but very diabolical.

Whatever else you insist I was making out of this, I will simply leave you to simmer now in your own juices.
In any event, my personal opinion is just that, and I believe judgement will come of its own and on God's own time, but it doesn't mean that horrible things won't happen before then.
There is always the element of free will and even the most diabolical are given every chance at reform.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

No that is not the mix up. Let's try again First the link to your post:
Link to post
In this post you quote EC as saying:

Not only that but the higher a taxation system is on the super-wealthy the fewer rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts exist. I have no beef with earning wealth and accumulating it, but please do not use it to purchase interest in the government

Your reply is

Let's see, did you bother reading my post on how George Soros used his money to fight re-election of George Bush? Oh wait he's a socialist and so his manipulation of elections is fine with ya.Go go go MoveOn.org and Media Matters. Yaaaaaay Soros! (I was a cheerleader in 6th grade)

This is all in that one post. That other quote that you claim you were addressing does not appear in that post. There is no mention of OWS, Murdoch or Koch either. All you have to do is click on the link and if you still don't see it then its because you don't want to and we'll just leave it at that.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by maestromason
Uhm....we're debating about potential solutions here and all you can come up with is "you can always move to another country"

Potential solution to what?

Free-Market Capitalism?

I like things just the way they are thank you. I am already taking care of people who do not want to work, why would I want my taxes to go up any further than they already are.

Moving out of the country is the ONLY solution to your unhappiness problem. People do it all the time, it is no big deal. You just go through the US Department of State's procedures and voila ...US citizenry is renounced and you are free as a bird to go to any socialist country in the world.

What a nieve post. There is nothing like free market capitalism in the US. Everything is regulated and overseen by the government.

You can renounce citizenship but you are not free to go anywhere you want. To start off there are no real socialist countries so right off the bat you have a problem because there probably isn't any country that would live up to a real socialists desires. If you did find one, you have to go through the immigration and naturalization dept of whatever country you want to go to and may very well be rejected.

Before you make up a list of "socialist" countries let me say that most, if not all, will fall short of socialism and are more like fascism. Funny thing is that that is what exists in the US.

edit on 25-12-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

What is it exactly that you want from me? An answer to what exactly so that I may shut you down?

I missed your question....please why don't you reiterate?

Thank you,

MM

reply to post by maestromason

We already addressed the issues I brought up and you couldn't "shut me down" because the points I was making were that the US does not have a "free market economy" because it is in fact heavily regulated and that leaving the US involves more than just denouncing your citizenship.

I ended up being a bot, someone who didn't really leave the US and someone who doesn't exist to you. Don't think there is more to add to that.

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Ahhh! Finally! A clear and concise question from you. I was starting to wonder if I were arguing with a very ignorant bot... seriously! Glad to see you are autonomous and 'free-thinking' instead of heavily-tasked and programmed.

FREE-MARKET CAPITALISM is the focus of our query. I have been living Free-market Capitalism ALL MY LIFE. I know it very well. I actually am that family that you proverbially heard about from time to time who goes about their business unhindered while the world turns. I have been living it everyday since I have been born, that being Free-market capitalism. My bank accounts are prime witnesses and so is the US government. You really do not make sense to me unless you can pose an intelligent question for me to shut you down with.

Just sayin....

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

No that is not the mix up. Let's try again First the link to your post:
Link to post
In this post you quote EC as saying:

Not only that but the higher a taxation system is on the super-wealthy the fewer rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts exist. I have no beef with earning wealth and accumulating it, but please do not use it to purchase interest in the government

Your reply is

Let's see, did you bother reading my post on how George Soros used his money to fight re-election of George Bush? Oh wait he's a socialist and so his manipulation of elections is fine with ya.Go go go MoveOn.org and Media Matters. Yaaaaaay Soros! (I was a cheerleader in 6th grade)

This is all in that one post. That other quote that you claim you were addressing does not appear in that post. There is no mention of OWS, Murdoch or Koch either. All you have to do is click on the link and if you still don't see it then its because you don't want to and we'll just leave it at that.

edit on 27-12-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

I pointed out that I posted already on Soros manipulation of the outcome of elections. I simply did not equate ECs point about the taxation of the wealthy with his next statement of buying influence in politics. It looks to me as if he's saying that Soros is wealthy and therefore needs to be taxed to be eliminated.
So slice it and dice it anyway you want. Left leaners overlook Soros manipulation of the elections and the currency for diabolical purposes. And that is that. You said I quoted ECs list of evildoers. That was mixing up my post on Soros evildoing and EC's post on wealthy people who needed to be Progressively taxed out of existence. So, do you view wealthy people as inherently evil and to be taxed out of existence?

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I posted almost the exact same thing as my original post so I don't really see why you get the question now and you didn't get it then.

First post

There is nothing like free market capitalism in the US. Everything is regulated and overseen by the government.

Second post

the US does not have a "free market economy" because it is in fact heavily regulated

In any case just because you have a nice bank account doesn't mean you are living in a free market economy. It may be freer than others but all the federal requirments like OSHA, EPA, building codes and permits means that it is anything but free. Workable and profitable sure but not really free market capitalism by definition.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by maestromason

 

I posted almost the exact same thing as my original post so I don't really see why you get the question now and you didn't get it then.

First post

There is nothing like free market capitalism in the US. Everything is regulated and overseen by the government.

Second post

the US does not have a "free market economy" because it is in fact heavily regulated

In any case just because you have a nice bank account doesn't mean you are living in a free market economy. It may be freer than others but all the federal requirments like OSHA, EPA, building codes and permits means that it is anything but free. Workable and profitable sure but not really free market capitalism by definition.

Only if you knew.