AP Poll: Nearly 8 in 10 Believe in Angels

Originally posted by luciddream
"Less religious" or "Non-Christian" does not mean they don't belong to a religion. Once you are in a religion, believing in these things comes naturally.

I believe in energy, chi, karma, etc,

Not ghost, demons, devil, angels... etc but will i walk into a pitch black catacomb without being scared, of course not!. Fear of these things are around since you are a child, because dark,night, black etc is evil. Ofcourse when there is evil, we will look for the opposite as well, thus angels, gods, etc.

Ah it's so refreshing to read a comment from someone with enough common sense to think for themselves...

Dark = evil while Light = Good They are the same coin but different sides... One can't exist without the other which is why we have both...

But what do I know...

Reply to post by FlyersFan

What the hell are you talking about? LOL. Scientists never said germs didnt exist it was actually the spiritual/religious people that did not believe in germs. Everything used to be evil spirits, punishment from god, or any number of supersitious bs. Science created germ theory which revolutionized personal hygiene and the like. Science has also never believed trees gave birth to birds. I dont know where you are getting this. Anywho, science has always been the voice of reason, and was always punished for it until the modern era.

Yes energy does exist eternally and yes other dimensions exist-that proves nothing. Thats like me saying other galaxies exist and other solar systems exist and the all rotate therefore an invisible being is spinning them round.


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Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Scientists never said germs didnt exist ...
. Science has also never believed trees gave birth to birds.
I dont know where you are getting this.

They most certainly did. And that information is readily available in history books and in museums. there is plenty of information out there, but this lil' bit should help inform you ...

online reference for midievil studies

Lacking any concept of viruses or bacteria as causes of illness, medieval doctors were left to reason that certain behaviors led to illness. There were three types of possible illnesses: those caused by the body's natural degeneration, those to which the body was predisposed, and those caused by immoderate living.

Historical info about what doctors believed about germs
- ancient mesopotamia ... disease was by gods or spirits.- not germs
- ancient egypt - demons and spirits - not germs
- ancient greece - the four humors - not germs

Ya' gotta' watch more of the History Channel.

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-_- Doctors are not scientists.......


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Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Doctors are not scientists.......

Doctors were the scientists of their day. They were considered the most knowing. TODAY doctors and scientists are usually two different professions .. but not back then. Doctors/scientists/astronomers ... all lumped together in the ancient (pre-christ) world and then it was doctors/scientists up until modern times. That's just how it worked.

They didn't believe in germs because they couldn't see them.
They believed trees gave birth to birds because ..afterall .. baby birds flew out of them each spring.

It's just the way it was.

Reply to post by FlyersFan

-_- I dont know where to start. If you want to go back to ancient times ok lets do that. Superstitions have always been around they were more prevalent back then, but most men of science during those periods knew they were crap. There has never been a point where someone was an all one science man. These things have always been seperate. Researcher and practioner were never together. But it is true scientists used to be up on all subjects because things were not as specialized as today.

Yes there was a point when science did not believe in germs but how could they? They hadnt created the terminology for it yet. Germ theory was created before germs could be observed though and it was proved to be sound. I dont believe the bird story thats foolishness. Science doesnt just believe what it can see (which is what I think you are trying to assert), it believes what is testable and repeatable. Plus, im certain they would have seen birds nesting. I mean even the ancients revered nature for the behavior of animals.

And yes sometimes scientists suffer from cognitive dissonance after all they are human. Many great scientists used to believe in alchemy. But alchemy is not a field of study in science anymore because its clearly myth.


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thats just proves that christians aint smart enough to move out the way when someone walks towards them with a clipboard...... i mean seriously, just walk around him or are they just that desperate to preach to people

Originally posted by Dreamer99
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I thought fear of the dark was actually a fear of the Vashta Nerada.

You are entirely correct, my friend. One of the best DW episodes ever.

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Yes there was a point when science did not believe in germs but how could they? They hadnt created the terminology for it yet.

... and the same for creatures or entities that live in other dimensions. They could be there. We know there are other dimensions. There is anecdotal evidence of possible cross overs or visitations. "Angels" could easily be to science today what germs were to scientists and doctors of past ages.

30 years ago, my believing in angels was my night light in a dark room. Now I know there is no dark room. All is inside the Presence. I just didn't know back then and dwelling inside the spookiness of religions tenants offered comfort as well as the reason why I needed comforting.

There is, however, the Legion awaiting in thirst for each that transform into a time dweller (death) without having possession of the [escape] Door.

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and myopic people who think that the only things that exist are that which they can see.

Only Siths deal in absolutes

The issue is not whether something can be seen, we all, I hope, believe in oxygen gas, even though we can't see it in the atmosphere around us. The issue is about evidence, and evidence is MUCH more than the fallible five sense we human beings possess. In fact there are plenty of eye witness reports of angels, and ghosts, and elves, and fairies and mermaids, etc. Evidence is not about what you can see.

Doesn't it say the probabilities of other dimensions, such as the abstract five-dimensional space, and other life forms is great ??

These days most scientists that talk about other dimensions aren't talking about some sci-fi alternate reality out of Star Trek.

We're not dealing with life from other dimensions though, we're dealing with a specific set of beings defined in specific mythologies. You're just attaching them to the scientific idea that there might be other dimensions AFTER THE FACT. Saying "oh look at all the weird stuff scientists are discovering" is just an argument for angels from the gaps in our knowledge, it's a fallacious argument.

The issue here is that 8 in 10 people are believing in something for no good reason... I guarantee 8 out of 10 people don't believe in angels because Stephen Hawking says life from other dimensions is hypothetically possible. Hawking also had a TV special where he speculated about what alien life might look like, in both instances he's speaking purely hypothetically.

Angels are hypothetically possible, but then so are a lot of things, but you'd hope getting 8 out of 10 people to believe would take a bit more than that.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
The issue is not whether something can be seen,

Some people made it their issue ... if they can't see it they don't believe it.
That's why I brought in germs. But you brought in oxygen which is even better.

The issue here is that 8 in 10 people are believing in something for no good reason...

How do you know it's 'for no good reason'. These people easily could have anecdotal evidence, things that have happened in their life, that supports their reasoning. Prayers that were answered ... etc etc. Those things can't be measured or captured scientifically. But they are real.

Angels? The ones with wings, golden hair and harps? Flying around ... taking care of people ... nice idea, but I do not get it ... at least not as something that is part of my reality. I like the idea of angles, because everybody could feel a bit more secure or looked after, but in the end that is our job. We have to take care of each other ... we have to help, if there is a situation, where help is needed and I think most of us do so. I think we are the angles ... or demons as well ...
If you walk along a long an dark street while it is raining, it most of the times not a winged angel, that stops to give you a lift. If you are beaten by somebody, that somebody is normally not a demon, but just an angry person. Yes, it is us, just us ... we can be an angel for somebody, helping him or her in a way that was necessary ... we can bring love and laughter to others ... we can feed each other, heal each other, dance with each other, kiss each other ... we can make people feel good or even better. We can help them to arrange whatever they need to have arranged, so their life becomes more liveable ... we can help people to understand ... we can help people to do, what is good for them ... we are the angels.
But never forget, we can be demons as well ... we kill, slaughter, rape, manipulate, lie, destroy ... I think you get it ...
It is our decision what we want to be ... good, bad ... something in between ... your choice.

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Who said that dark= evil and white=good?Who said that angels are good and devils are evil, where is the proof of this?Has anyone ever got any "real" (not faked i add) proof that angels and demons exist,and they were not just made up by the religious communities, the movies, or the media to promote certain things?Humanity as a whole are conditioned to the point we have to believe in something, and we cling on to these things because without them society would fall apart.We need something "mysterious " to keep us going, to make our everyday life less boring and mundane,We are conditioned as children by our parents and books and schools,and the media television and radio, who read us, and show us , fairy story's and fantasy story's. For example in 1938

The War of the Worlds was an episode of the American radio drama anthology series Mercury Theatre on the Air. It was performed as a Halloween episode of the series on October 30, 1938, and aired over the Columbia Broadcasting System radio network. Directed and narrated by actor and future filmmaker Orson Welles, the episode was an adaptation of H. G. Wells's novel The War of the Worlds. The first two thirds of the 60-minute broadcast were presented as a series of simulated "news bulletins", which suggested to many listeners that an actual alien invasion by Martians was currently in progress. Compounding the issue was the fact that the Mercury Theatre on the Air was a "sustaining show" (it ran without commercial breaks), adding to the program's realism. Although there were sensationalist accounts in the press about a supposed panic in response to the broadcast, the precise extent of listener response has been debated.

There was widespread panic about this,
en.wikipedia.org...(radio_drama)
They believed it because the radio said it was so .....my point exactly!

i believe in angels. i don't know if anyone follows sonia choquette here but in her book ask your guides, theres a section on how to summon angels. i've tried one exercise successfully and thats when my beliefs in them increased.

8 out of 10?

Well, that's because angels ARE real.

I know, I've encountered one.

I made a thread about it here:www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Love is an emotion, not a physical being/entity.

Apples and oranges.

Seriously? Come on.

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At some point common snese has to enter into the equation.

So you believe in leprechauns, right? And fairies and mermaids and trolls?

Using your logic, you have to believe in ALL of those things and more. Just because we can't see them, doesn't mean they don't exist, right?

I think it's more likely that "angels" fall in line with your belief system, so you give the benefit of the doubt to prop up your pre-existing beliefs.

Originally posted by jtap66
I think it's more likely that "angels" fall in line with your belief system, so you give the benefit of the doubt to prop up your pre-existing beliefs.

I already stated that I don't believe and I don't disbelieve. (I really don't care one way or the other). I have no draw or attraction to 'angels'. But at the same time, I leave open the possibility that angels are entities that we don't understand and that come from a place that we don't know about yet.

I have never (that I know of) had an encounter with an angel.

It's weird that nonreligous people would belive in angels. I wonder where they think angels come from. Interesting poll though.