Why never any radio contact from ET...I'll tell you.

Advanced alien species will have protocols in place that no comms leak from their planet.

This will be a survival tactic that all smart aliens will have in place.
Clever aliens will not leak radio.

The reason we are having no success at detecting et signals,
is we are looking for someone like ourselves at our own stage of development.
When you throw that into drakes equation the odds are further increased against us detecting.

But, with the technology we have at our disposal just now, I suppose we must try,
until the geniuses make a break through..

The clues to the system they are using for communications may come from a downed UFO.

Aliens don't use radio waves for communication with the time lag messages would take eons to travel. Aliens use another for either gravity, or some unknown particle. either way its not radio or anything we currently know in the magnetic spectrum. You guys seem to forget go back 70years and USA scientist man could not travel faster than the speed of sound and if not for the Germans we would not have jet engines, blood plasma, 100,000 other patents. We are not advanced.

Originally posted by R3KR

4. Advanced ET probably wont use radio, either digital or analogue. Its too slow, especially if you are intergalactic species. I propose that they have found a way to take advantage of entaglement in quantum theory.

I definitely agree with this. There is know way that an intelligent species would use....RADIO to communicate in space! I believe that they are using in some way or form the quantum entanglement theory. Maybe a neutrino radio? Who knows... I also think that any civilization that broadcast's into space would only last so long as it would be decayed and garbled from other natural interference, but it may be that a small slice or blurb gets to us... before their civilization switched over to a new type of communication that is based off entanglement at which point their radio transmissions would cease.

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It's called an "ansible". Hasn't been invented by us yet.

We evolved our technology for communication in our own way, in our own time, with our own needs and with knowledge we picked up along the way .. This I think is the biggest problem we face with talking about alien species.

We don't even fully understand how animals on our own planet communicate with each other yet we know that they do, and especially in the case of whales and dolphins who communicate with actual structured language ..

We can't even conceive what other possible means of technology, or even physical communication they've developed.. Maybe they've evolved beyond the need for using technology to communicate? how could we even intercept that? .. and would we ever understand it anyway? Perhaps quantum science is silly and archaic to them? or perhaps they've evolved along a path where quantum isn't even a consideration..

Ultimately I think we just make far too many assumptions that life will have evolved in a similar way on an alien world as it has here, same with technological evolution.. we assume too much.

There is strong evidence for the existence of ETs:

The Shoot Down order of 1952:

Shoot Them Up

The Important and Official Admissions by the USAF:

Air Force Admissions

NASA Astronauts Report Alien Spacecraft to Houston:

Discovery Shuttle ET

So there is some strong evidence they do exist, so how do they communicate?

This may have been addressed before, most current human communications systems use Electromagnetic waves to communicate, which is basically a form of light. This is not the only way to communicate, basically any particle or virtual particle could be modulated to carry information, this could include virtual gravitons (gravity), virtual photons (Electromagnetic waves), neutrinos, etc. Current known human technology can barely detect neutrinos and has not, as of yet, detected gravity waves, so there could be much communication taking place using those mediums.

Also, if ETs are sufficiently advanced they could have a nearly complete theory of physics with all the known forces (including gravity) unified into one theory. If so then they might be able to communicate using any of the mediums described above, but may be able to bend spacetime into what humans call wormholes so that communication takes place only within a small portion of spacetime.

Furthermore, the ETs could have discovered "new physics" at such high energies that we haven't seen yet. At that point then it becomes difficult to speculate what kinds of communications physics will allow.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
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I think it's because the aliens are too much like us, meaning they pour billions and billions into weapons spending to fight among themselves while spending a much smaller amount on space travel, science and technology that doesn't blow up. Also their population is a bunch of drooling idiots basked in the glow of their extraterrestrial smartphones too busy updating their social networking status to care about whether there's life elsewhere in the Universe.

BINGO!

or third of all... ppl dont want us too... technically theres been a response in a crop circleREPLY

Originally posted by grubblesnert

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by fuserleer

 

I think it's because the aliens are too much like us, meaning they pour billions and billions into weapons spending to fight among themselves while spending a much smaller amount on space travel, science and technology that doesn't blow up. Also their population is a bunch of drooling idiots basked in the glow of their extraterrestrial smartphones too busy updating their social networking status to care about whether there's life elsewhere in the Universe.

BINGO!

I really loathe this kind of self-hatred for humanity. It's ridiculous. As a species, we're neither inherently good or bad, and for every "bad" thing we've done there are a thousand grand and wonderful things we've accomplished, given our circumstances. If you think by putting humanity down you're somehow claiming to be separate from us, or better than most people because of your wonderful insight, you're just wrong. If anything, you can count yourself among the lesser of our kind, since there's nothing noble about low self-esteem or cheap cynicism.

I think actually that we are probably in a unique situation here on planet earth - self awareness does not sit naturally with 3D animal existence and is a highly transient unstable configuration. From smart monkeys to technological singularity is a blink of geological time.

If the universe were filled with sentient life - then what % of them would have fallen into the singularity, nightmare of Artificial intelligence and nano technology combined with the ability to rewrite their own genome. This is going to result in a borg-swarm or replicator army colonising the entire universe - and they would have been here long ago!

Whether a mental telepathic wave, can travel the stars instantaneously is still up for speculation. But I think that their is no other way, likely to succeed to communicate in a speedy way; other than telepathy; to a biological entity that could be hundreds of light years away.

Somebody might try to prove me wrong--- But even flocks of birds, schools of fish, wary animals [such as deer], even humans---- All have the mental capacity for telepathy.

Flocks of Blackbirds, can turn instantaneously turn in the same direction, because they follow the mental telepathic order of the flock that works as one. Same goes for schools of fish, when being chased by a predator.

Wary deer, can sense the thoughts of a human hunter, that is wanting for a quick kill.

Humans, as well, will all learn the ways of telepathy; though it might take another 100,000 years for the majority of humans to open there minds to such a fact.

Cheers,

Erno86

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2. Thier radio signals havent got to us yet. Lets face it the universe is VAST, and radio travels at lightspeed best case, usually a little slower.

Exactly why they wouldn't use radio. It just doesn't cut the mustard.

Gamma Ray bursters are very high energy naturally occuring things which aliens might utilize somehow. The more advanced humans get the more we realize the need to be in harmony with nature. Aliens from UFO encouters have echoed the same sentiment. Why not somehow utilize a transmission which occurs naturally as opposed to have to produce the effect yourself (like we do)?

Makes sense to me, but I'm only human so I'm not sure.

G-Ray Bursters

We've only been using radio for about a century.

We've only had the internet for a couple of decades.

If our civilization survives for say 2500 more years who knows how we would communicate.

I have to assume that if a civilization get to a point that we would consider them really advanced we might not be able to figure out how they communicate.

What would it be like if you were a member of a stone aged tribe and you see people with smart phones. How would you ever begin to figure out how they communicate?

Asking if there are aliens or what's their commo equip like, is like asking cave men if there are radio waves?
Any one from before radio hasn't the foggiest idea what radio is, let alone more modern forms of commo like microwaves and lasers. So, they would argue it doesn't exist no matter how hard you try to explain it. They would say, look I can't see it so it doesn't exist. Even if you show him a transmitter and receiver and turn them on, he will still think its BS that signals travel thru the air. Probably have you arrested and tried for heresy. Like if you took a radio set and receiver back a couple of centuries, they'd burn you at the stake.

The reason we are not in contact is their gear is so advanced we haven't figured out their wavelength or manner of transmission. Thats why we haven't "detected " them yet. And Won't...

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by grubblesnert

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by fuserleer

 

I think it's because the aliens are too much like us, meaning they pour billions and billions into weapons spending to fight among themselves while spending a much smaller amount on space travel, science and technology that doesn't blow up. Also their population is a bunch of drooling idiots basked in the glow of their extraterrestrial smartphones too busy updating their social networking status to care about whether there's life elsewhere in the Universe.

BINGO!

I really loathe this kind of self-hatred for humanity. It's ridiculous. As a species, we're neither inherently good or bad, and for every "bad" thing we've done there are a thousand grand and wonderful things we've accomplished, given our circumstances. If you think by putting humanity down you're somehow claiming to be separate from us, or better than most people because of your wonderful insight, you're just wrong. If anything, you can count yourself among the lesser of our kind, since there's nothing noble about low self-esteem or cheap cynicism.

BINGO!

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Its a pleasure speaking with you GSTruth. 'Love your Lennon avatar!

I really do feel the way some threads are constructed, it gives the impression that perhaps the world of the OP is video games and movies.

Scientific reality...over years and year that some of us who've lived thru the generations have experienced... shows several things closer to the truth in this instance.

*What makes the OP think they even NEED to speak with us? Like a conversation with a grunting caveman-its pointless.
*They probably are talking to us right now, influencing us in ways we cant yet understand...the last of which is primitive radio.
*They certainly dont need us for anything being probably years and years ahead.
*Why communicate with a warlike race that kills everything they dont understand?

And finally....there reasonably doesnt seem any need for any "star-traveling-dimensionists" to contact us about anything. We havent anything for them, theyll get nothing back, and we wont believe they are even real without being called "fallen-angels" or "demons".

Really? Why would they even bother? I agree with Hawkings....we should probably quit trying and turn out the porchlight...before we become a "happy-meal'.

Seasons greetings and best wishes to you and yours GST. Peace.

At this seemingly late stage in the visitors observations of us, we would think them capable of
communicating with us at our level (radio) but no,
Just like all of the evidence shows, they either already know us (created/ engineered us) or they really don't care for what we have to say!

Or both!

I have been thinking about this even before reading your first post. quantum entanglement for long range communications. is there even a way for us to pick up this signal. i dont think there would be. or if there is we are far away from that level of tech. but you are right. by the time we are capable of interstellar travel we will be way past analogue signal tranfers. even past digital. something along the lines of throwing a note throw a stargate. lol. no but ive said this in previos replys to other posts. we do not compare to a race of intelligent life even thousands of years ahead. maybe illions. and its crazy to me that people cant think like this, in long time . we all think in short time and think our piddly 70 or 80 years here is awhile. its NOTHING. nothing. not even 1 million percent of a blink of an eye. not even close.

Are you aware that Nikola Tesla believed he intercepted a radio signal/transmission from mars? I think it was around 1899, may be wrong about date but not the rest.

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Second that.

Obviously, no one knows or is interested in the Edwin And Valda case.
The Koldasians (No not the Kardasians) used a modified radio to transmit to Edwin and his group in the 60s/70s.

Of course, sceptics will sceptisize, the believers will believerize...Yes I went to the George Bush school of English.

Hey Tachy, the Germans and the English both developed the Jet engine at the same time....One of those serindpities. The Italians were developing a crude Jet engine too.

The Americans couldnt get theirs to work properly..So the English GAVE !!!! the technology to the Americans.
Thank the British, not the Nazis.

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Yeah, yeah...here we go again....

You are brighter than me and not brighter than the SETI scientist. Is piggy-backing on someones lack of intelligence and to insult the way how you profile yourself? Probably you are right again...I don't know and you know that I don't.

You know what is terrible...? People who give you stars for such a rude reply. Friends of yours...?...if not I hope that they will be.

But you're probably right on the other info...I assume you know what you are talking about, being such an intelligent person...thanks for that. But for the other stuff....stick it somewhere dark.