Scientists say Turin Shroud is Supernatural !!!

I like when science comes out with great evidence that they can’t reproduce the shroud using medieval techniques, yet all you people that need proof say the evidence provided is no good. But when there is little conclusive evidence, or large gaps in evolution you all jump on the wagon and call it fact.

Very large double standard

I am an agnostic, but I believe the possibility of this being real, Jesus could have been a real person, but I doubt he did the things that is said he did, they are good stories though, but what makes you think that this is real, just because some scientists say comes stuff with nice words and "proof". In this day and age, seeing is believing and words are worthless.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by verschickter

 

Edit: So my explanation, it were ETs and their beam to move jesus (an ET) to their craft used UV light.

So you are just making up your own wild conspricy theorys that have no place in reality?

That is the equivalent of saying Yogi Bear got into the cave and made the shroud by his methane exploding and creating a high intensity of UV.

Making up theory's is all well and good but only if you have something to back it up. In your case you just made this ET theory up on a whim because I take it your an extreme UFO enthousiaste, who is quick to shout "ET" at everything that cannot be explained, without foundation or evidence

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Hmm slightly hypocritical didn't you just write "As for the shroud this is nothing short of divine power from God. When Jesus rose on the third day the UV light was so intense it literally made the image in the shroud." What do you have to back this load of tosh up?

Before there's any more nay sayers about these scientists being Catholics, could someone actually show proof that they are Catholics? For all we know they could be Muslims or secularists, lets not jump to conclusions people. We don't know what faith these scientists are.

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I'd put money on Catholic...

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Laughed so hard after reading this too.

I dont even read his full post just because of that. He/she insults me of "making wild consumptions" whereas he has nothing but his faith. And by the way @ OP, I liked to contribute to your thread but I´ll quit. You are a person that cant argue without offending.

Edit: No one said ever that the scientists are catholic. It was just thought from a member. Go learn to read, as I see this could be your main problem in this whole thread.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by DJW001
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No way is it a medieval hoax they didn't even have the technology to make such a thing back then.

I think you'd be surprised by the tricks real Alchemists had up their voluminous sleeves, back in the day.

Did you read the article? Scientists have proven that there is no way that could of created this in medieval times. Some how I don't think even the best Alchemists had high-intensity ultra violet lasers back in those days.

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Science has also proven that the Pyramids are impossible..........but the pyramids are there right?

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It's just an incredible gap in logic right there, in the assumption that irradiating the cloth with laser light IS the only way to color it in some fashion. This is preposterous.

To give a much simpler example -- linens can be bleached by either UV light, or by a wide variety of chemical agents. Or even combination of chemicals and light. Same applies to other colors.

These Italians needed PR, and the way to achieve that was for them to oversell the Turin Shroud connection. To me it sounds like pr0stituting the religion.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

demonic spirits masquerading as both ghosts and aliens

The same way demons were masquerading as men when Europeans first encountered the dark-skinned, Negros in Africa?

Yeah...

As to your OP:

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I take it you are familiar with the name Jacques de Molay?

Although historically there is little if any record of exactly how de Molay was tortured, Lomas and Knight have no doubt. Very shortly after his arrest France's Grand Inquisitor Guillaume Imbert put him through a blow-by-blow re- enactment of Jesus's crucifixion. First he was scourged. Then a crown of thorns was thrust on his head. Then nails were hammered into his wrists and feet, pinning him to 'a roughly assembled cross', on which he was hung in agony for several hours. Brought down alive, a knife was then thrust into his side 'not deep enough to cause life-threatening damage but sufficient to complete the deliberate re-enactment of the suffering of the 'son of God'. Finally the Grand Inquisitor apparently thought of 'one more amusing twist' to this scenario. In Knight and Lomas's own words:

He [Guillaume Imbert] has de Molay placed on the very burial shroud that Molay used to mock the Messiah. As the torturers laid him face upwards on the cloth and the excess section is lifted over his head to cover the front of his body, Imbert cannot resist a final quotation from the story of the Passion: 'And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth.' Patting the shroud around the desperately damaged body, Imbert suggests that the barely conscious man might care to raise himself, if he feels as important as the true Christ.

As Knight and Lomas go on: The features of de Molay's body were [then] etched onto the cloth by the lactic acid from the free-flowing blood, reacting with the frankincense used as a whitening agent, which was rich in calcium carbonate. Yes, you have now guessed it, this is really how the Turin Shroud was created. Its image is neither of Jesus, nor of Leonardo da Vinci, but of Jacques de Molay - the Templar Grand Master, who died alongside the Templar Geoffrey de Charney in 1314. According to Knight and Lomas, De Molay' was revived from his crucifixion (necessary because historically he was publicly burnt at the stake with Geoffrey de Charney), and then the image-bearing cloth that he had so involuntarily created: ... travelled ... to the home of Geoffrey de Charney, where it was washed, folded up, and placed in a drawer. Exactly fifty years later, in 1357, this fourteen-foot-long piece of linen was taken out of store and put on public display in Livey [sic] Of course there is not a scrap of hard evidence to support all this, but just in case of such doubts Knight and Lomas provide a pictorial 'clincher'. In their words: The long nose, the hair beyond shoulder-length with a centre parting, the full beard that forked at its base, and the fit-looking six-foot frame all perfectly match the known image of the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar.

source

Further, Carbon-dating has proved the Shroud is only some 1200 years old, nowhere near 2000 years old.

Turin Shroud link with Templars proved by archives, claims historian

The Templars and the Shroud of Turin

The Nature of the Body Images on the Shroud of Turin (PDF File)

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You serve Satan, do you think your little comic strip offends me in any way shape or form?

Jesus Christ is the Lord and savoir of man kind, and every knee will eventually bow to him including Lucifer.

The Jesus you Picture is not the one I serve.

The Turin Shroud is a fabrication, possibly by Leonardo da Vinci, to replace another bogus painting on a cloth that had by then became exposed as a hoax (the original "Turin Shroud" that predated him). It has been suggested that the House of Savoy may have secretly commissioned its replacement. It could be a photographic reproduction on linen cloth that was brought back from the Holy Land (probably by a pilgrim or crusader) and which was soaked in a photo-sensitive solution like silver nitrate (no doubt known to some alchemists then, although there is no historical evidence of this) and the image of a corpse (suitably marked with the wounds of the crucifixion) projected onto it by means of a camera obscura, which Leonardo knew all about, including a drawing of one in a notebook of his.

The recent Italian investigation does not explain the existence of a second, much fainter image of the head and hands on the back of the cloth discovered by another Italian physicist in 2004. This was likely a test run by the forger for his photography. This would explain why the head seems too small for the torso and is slightly detached from the shoulders. Evidently, the head's image was projected as a separate image (no doubt using a live person with a credible looking face) and the forger got the relative scales of head and body slightly wrong. But no one noticed for hundreds of years until the difference became noticeable in a reverse photographic plate taken by amateur photographer Seconda Pia in 1898. Artist Lillian Schwartz, who had previously claimed to have matched the face of the Mona Lisa to a self-portrait of Leonardo da Vinci, stated in 2009 that the proportions of the face image on the shroud are correct, and that they match the dimensions of the face of da Vinci.

All exotic physical explanations that presuppose some supernatural event caused the image fail to account for these three smoking guns for forgery:
1. second image on the back of the cloth;
2.displaced, too small a head in relation to the length of the torso;
3. if the cloth had been wrapped around the face, the image - whether naturally or paranormally created - would show distortion of the relative sizes of facial features when the cloth is laid out flat. Instead, it looks totally natural.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

To give a much simpler example -- linens can be bleached by either UV light, or by a wide variety of chemical agents. Or even combination of chemicals and light. Same applies to other colors.

No it can't you just made that up to try and discredit the shroud and failed.

op the reason your posts on here get responses like they do is because you are fanatical about your views and anyone who disagrees with you is demonized,this is the exact same mentality that has caused a lot of the killing and wars throughout history.In my eyes your beliefs have done way more bad then they have good for the world.I guess you'd like to think that you have common sense when it comes to most things,well if that's the case watch this and let me know your opinion.Try to refrain from just saying he's related to satan lol
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Originally posted by GoldenObserver
I am an agnostic, but I believe the possibility of this being real, Jesus could have been a real person, but I doubt he did the things that is said he did, they are good stories though, but what makes you think that this is real, just because some scientists say comes stuff with nice words and "proof". In this day and age, seeing is believing and words are worthless.

Can you see gravity?

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You naughty Satanist you.
In other news those Jesus toasters are flying off the shelves this year.

reply to post by gibbajabba


Did I call anyone demonized or are you accusing me of the same thing you just did your self?

reply to post by coastlinekid


Are you kidding me......? Most scientists only deal in absolutes.

Meaning, the absoluteness in what they THINK, or excuse me, what they know they have discovered.

And then ramming it down our throats like a person of faith could hardly do, despite how hard one tried

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by gibbajabba

 

Did I call anyone demonized or are you accusing me of the same thing you just did your self?

Do you really believe in what you write here? Are you serious? Because you cant be? Or are you?