Demonic Possession/Spiritual Attack - I MAY have had one...

Originally posted by Gatto
This was the most scientific reply I could think of----------->
What were you thinking?! Sure everyoe wants to experience open glands and OBEs and whatnots, but ... INVITING a DEMON to possess your body?! What did you expect?
No really - What did you expect?

He received what he expected, which was what he deserved.

Science can explain away a lot of things, but I've always thought that to be able to explain possession, you would have to experience it yourself. I didn't believe in it, and MAY have been wrong, but I'm looking for possibilities on both ends, supernatural and natural.

The existence of an explanation does not prove that explanation nor disprove another. As for demons, they're as natural as you or I, the wind or the stars.

Originally posted by PoeteMaudit

Originally posted by Gatto
This was the most scientific reply I could think of----------->
What were you thinking?! Sure everyoe wants to experience open glands and OBEs and whatnots, but ... INVITING a DEMON to possess your body?! What did you expect?
No really - What did you expect?

He received what he expected, which was what he deserved.

Ok, I didn't expect anything, which I already explained to the poster, so don't go around telling anybody what someone else was expecting.

Secondly, have some respect, everything you said in your two posts, I and everybody reading are already aware of, so you need not go on an egotistical rampage, bashing other people, especially when they asked for possible explanations, not some too-big-for-his-boots poster who has nothing better to do than to treat his fellow human beings with disrespect.

Not everybody is as perfect as you seem to think you are, I guess you would have done it "perfectly" huh? People make mistakes, deal with it, and I think many agree that they are sick of trollers like you totally ruining a discussion about things we are genuinely interested in. Obviously everybody would be scared of the experience, I don't think you could honestly say somebody would be totally expecting certain things to happen. To be able to expect something, you have to have already experienced it to be absolutely certain. I had never experienced this before, so didn't know what to expect, and like I pointed out, I didn't expect anything.

It's a case of a skeptic researching something, then putting it into practise to either prove/disprove it's credibility, yet you think you can come along and dramatise the whole situation by mouthing off about my "stupidity." You're incredibly ignorant if you think I got what I deserved, and i'm sure many people would agree with that. We are generally a curious species, yet there are those who seem to think they know it all and can come along and bash people for it.

Do me a favour, let the rest of us discuss this and try to come to a conclusion, without you butting in and doing the opposite to the point of the post. I did something stupid, I now realise that, as do others, we are not children that need the obviousness of my stupidity pointed out to us.

Night John-Boy

The existence of an explanation does not prove that explanation nor disprove another. As for demons, they're as natural as you or I, the wind or the stars.

That was a pathetic reply. They are as "natural as you or I." Grow up, it's not as simple as saying that demons are real with no explanation or proof. Isn't that the point of ATS, to show proof for things? Do i really need to explain again, why I did it?

reply to post by domasio


Well, they are real, but I can't prove it to you scientifically. I think you proved it to yourself though, which was the intent, right?

reply to post by wtbengineer


Almost, it's more like, I'm leaning towards believing that I proved their existence to myself, but I am not savvy to lots of medical explanations of the symptoms. It pretty much reminds me of the court case in the Exorcism of Emily Rose, where there is basically an argument for a medical explanation (epilepsy/psychosis) and a paranormal explanation (the existence of demons).

But then in the movie, it explains how it can't be psychosis, because "possessed" people are aware of the fact that they lose control of their bodies. Like the lady lawyer says: "Crazy people don't know they;re crazy."

Your mind is very powerful, you watching and reading all those demonic things could have led you to believe you were being possessed? It's what I think anyway. I believe in demons and science can't prove that nor anything for that matter. Science is bs.. hasn't proved anything properly and never will.. man cannot be God.

I am amazed first, why would you or anyone invite a demon to enter you? I also understand that you dabble with the occult quite often-talking from experience -do you not understand demons =evil=bad=not to go there and yet you call for" Jesus when shtf"-I think you need to get some serious reality checks-It is very evident what happened here- you played with the occult it happened -you know it is REAL duh! And you want a scientific explanation/???lmao!!!

You allowed yourself to entertain and give place to demons, evil spirits, and you enticed them with authority to open yourself up to them.

This is wrong to meditate, to name demons, to call them and to ask them to do things.

You must understand that the enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy.

Satan and fallen angels hate humans and they are cunningly deceptive, the bible strongly speaks of evil spirits.

When you meditate into a dark trance or conciousness you are actually opening yourself up to spiritual attacks and demons are not friendly, they cannot be, they never will, they hate man and whatever opportunity they get they will pour fear and torment you.


What i suggest you do, Is turn to jesus, ask Him to forgive you for what you have done, for allowing spirits to come into your house, to your room, to your mind and your life, and i would rebuke them in Jesus name, For the Name of Jesus is above every other name that is named both in heaven and earth.

In Him we have the Authority and dominion over all things.

Ask Jesus to come into your heart, to cleanse you, to restore you and wash you in His cleansing blood, ask Him to forgive you for your sins and unrighteous life, and ask Him to be your Lord and Saviour, ask him to come in and live, and to be your God, Repent of all the Sin you have done, Ask Him Lord, I have sinned, i have done, said, acted, thought and allowed sin in my life, and Lord Jesus i repent of it all, and i ask you to forgive me and wash me in your love and blood i pray.

Then you need to put on some worship music, christian songs, old ones, like Oh the blood of jesus, and sing or just lay there and let the presence and wonderful love of God fill your house, your heart and mind and then rebuke that demon and those spirits, bind them and declare they have no power in your life or in your house and in the NAME OF JESUS command them to leave and never return.


The Spiritual Realm is more real than the Physical.

Many times i have had these attacks, some horrific, and grotesque spirits and demons, foul ugly things, But they are liars, cowards, and thieves and they are defeated when Christ died on the Cross, They know this but they will lie and deceive you into believing this not.

The Spiritual realm is real, You are a Spirit being, all Man is Spirit, Made in the Image of God.


Love and peace, blessings and grace to you.

reply to post by domasio


Do you think it a small coincidence then, that you experienced some kind of 'medical condition' that you've never experienced before right after your little experiment?

If you knew the demon's name then it sounds like you invited some archetype for a visit. If I were you, my next project would be to quickly find out about protection just in case it comes back. There's not a lot of things I believe in but I do think you are now "open" to more visits.

Originally posted by domasio
Ok, I didn't expect anything, which I already explained to the poster, so don't go around telling anybody what someone else was expecting.

Oh, is that so? I quote:

I started getting into studying demonic possessions, spiritual attacks and the like, and read many books, watched many documentaries, and discovered that most demonic possessions/attacks occur in people who have given some sort of "go-ahead" to a perceived demon to help them in some way, otherwise known as "inviting them in.

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I then proceeded to name the demon, show my respect for it's power and strength (I read that to avoid bad experiences, you should show your respect to the demon)

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I called on the name of Jesus in this growl, and my body slammed flat out, spread-eagled.

Direct quotations from you show not only explicit expectations (e.g. reading about "spiritual attacks"), and compliance with the perspectives of the books ("I read that to avoid ..."), but also reveal your Christian Weltanschauung ("called on the name of Jesus") along with everything that such a perspective implies about your ideas of "demons" and the sources you would have turned to to learn of them.

Secondly, have some respect, everything you said in your two posts, I and everybody reading are already aware of, so you need not go on an egotistical rampage, bashing other people,

If you were aware of them, why do you refer to this as an "attack", which is, frankly, contradictory given that you asked for the very events which took place? (A rhetorical question. You interpreted the experience as an attack because that is what you expected contact with a demonic force, if such forces were to exist, to be.) Why do you paint a picture of malevolence of a being that made you feel uncomfortable when you are not exactly well-disposed towards it yourself? (The former was logical inconsistency, the latter mere hypocrisy)

You may not have expected the demon to appear, I gathered that much, but you did expect his possible appearance to manifest in a particular way.

especially when they asked for possible explanations, not some too-big-for-his-boots poster who has nothing better to do than to treat his fellow human beings with disrespect.

"Bashing"? The only person to have been obnoxious and resorted to insulting others thus far is you, little boy. Now that makes two of us. Run along now. Go and play with the toys you threw out of your cot.

Not everybody is as perfect as you seem to think you are, I guess you would have done it "perfectly" huh? People make mistakes, deal with it, and I think many agree that they are sick of trollers like you totally ruining a discussion about things we are genuinely interested in.

My, my. Touchy, aren't you? Pointing out the errors of another does not imply a belief in my own "perfection", nor do my own "imperfections" do away with your own. What a strange world you inhabit.

Obviously everybody would be scared of the experience, I don't think you could honestly say somebody would be totally expecting certain things to happen.

No, that's neither obvious nor true, and that's not what I suggested. The point was that any such "possession", whether by what you call "demons", or "angels", or the Flying Spaghetti Monster himself, might cause fear in a person, which hardly establishes the inherent malevolence of "demons" all the other posters imply in their responses. Clearly, in the knee-jerk reaction engendered by your own ideological presuppositions, you entirely misunderstood the gist of my post.

To be able to expect something, you have to have already experienced it to be absolutely certain. I had never experienced this before, so didn't know what to expect, and like I pointed out, I didn't expect anything.

Experience doesn't establish certainty of future events. We've already dealt with your other assertion. Further to the point of not expecting anything, this is, well, it is rot. It's a tired utterance of "skeptics" which is a psychological impossibility. Everyone who has lived approaches a matter with presuppositions, assumptions, and beliefs that inform his interpretation of an event and determine his expectations of it. Please, go ahead an assert that you'd have been no more suprised to have seen a pink winged pony with a trail of fairy dust twinkling behind it comign to hug you and give you kisses than some ghastly spook out of The Exorcist or a beast from a painting by Bosch. No expectations indeed.

It's a case of a skeptic researching something, then putting it into practise to either prove/disprove it's credibility, yet you think you can come along and dramatise the whole situation by mouthing off about my "stupidity."

I never once referred to your "stupidity", something implied by other posters. (Here we have a clear case of some

It's a case of a skeptic researching something, then putting it into practise to either prove/disprove it's credibility, yet you think you can come along and dramatise the whole situation by mouthing off about my "stupidity."

I never once referred to your "stupidity", something implied by other posters. (Here we have a clear case of someone reading into another's words something which is simply not present, due to the words of others setting such a tone. For all your show of "objectivity" you really haven't any, and I'm not in the least surprised at how influenced you were by the books you had read on "demonic attacks".) As far as any actual stupidity is concerned, it lies not in your actions, but in your intellectual summation of the events that occurred.

You're incredibly ignorant if you think I got what I deserved, and i'm sure many people would agree with that.

If you called on a demon from a Christian paradigm, which you did, and the demon responded in kind, which you say it did, then you got what you deserved. If you can point out the "ignorance" of this assertion, then by all means do so.

We are generally a curious species, yet there are those who seem to think they know it all and can come along and bash people for it.

Who?

Do me a favour, let the rest of us discuss this and try to come to a conclusion, without you butting in and doing the opposite to the point of the post. I did something stupid, I now realise that, as do others, we are not children that need the obviousness of my stupidity pointed out to us.

Again, I never said it was a stupid thing to do.

That was a pathetic reply.

In what regard? What is pathetic is the logically unfounded epistemological criterion of scientism by which its proponents assume that they have established the truth of their perspective by the mere fact that they are able to provide an "explanation" for a phenomenon in terms of their mechanistic theory where all they have given us is a causal nexus linking their concepts one to another without ever penetrating to the underlying actuality.

They are as "natural as you or I."

What is even more pathetic is the metaphysically unsustainable dichotomy between the "natural" and "supernatural" which finds its way into every discussion of blathering fools.

But that you once again missed the gist of it, that's what's most pathetic.

Grow up, it's not as simple as saying that demons are real with no explanation or proof.

With a point to what? What constitutes proof? And what constitutes proof of that? You could take your question to a neuroscientist, and at most what he could do is to provide you with a mechanical picture of the state of your brain which corresponds to your experience, with no more an explanation of how the experience can exist, or come to be, than the physicist can give of how and why his forces "cause" motion, believing that he has thereby explained the phenomenon, and explained away "spooks"! Demons exist as phenomena. The experience of them is actual. The ontological or causal explanation, whatever it is, is merely conceptual, and no concept will ever explain away the actuality of life. I'm not here to prove anything to you. Such things are not "provable" in the first place, since such a "proof" has to fit into and make use of the concepts belonging to a mode of viewing the world which is as much alike to the world as the Cartesian three-space in the head of a mathematician is like the brilliant blue of the sky above us.

Isn't that the point of ATS, to show proof for things? Do i really need to explain again, why I did it?

I know why you did it. And if you still doubt the existence of demons, you ought to do it again without quitting halfway through.