Osiris, the origins of christianity, the egyptian resurrection

Originally posted by watchdog8110
At the end of the day , the Christians took the factual / mythological stories from Egypt and transcribed them in their fashion and called it Gospel / Bible . sighhhhhhhhh

Demonstrated to of non factual opinion only that grossly neglects the truth. Or an outright lie.

Originally posted by gort51
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Excellent, thought provoking and probably spot on, thankyou for the enlightenment.

The Modern "Christians" tend to forget that the "Jews" were the slaves of the Egyptians for many years....its only natural that they adopt their masters Culture. Throw in the Sumerians, ancient Athenian, Spartan, Trojan, Etruscan, Babylonians, Persian and many other civilizations etc..
And you get a mix-mash of "Beliefs"....
Thankfully, many modern people are acknowledging that "Christmas" time is really about the Winter Solstice (summer in the South), and rebirth, return of the Sun, fertility, etc, and is directly related to Northern Peoples (European) traditions, and has nought to do with Christianity.
If fact, didnt the scholars argue that Jesus was born in April or May or something? Certainly not in December.

"The Modern "Christians" tend to forget that the "Jews" were the slaves of the Egyptians for many years....its only natural that they adopt their masters Culture"? Do you not know yet that there were no "Jews" in Egypt? The first time that "Jew" appears in scripture is when the House of Israel was divided into two Kingdoms. The word "Jew" first appears in reference to the House of Judah. Christians are slowly waking up to the realisation that all 12 tribes of Israel, not just Judah, are still the focus of both Testaments. Nothing changed because God does not change. Gentiles = nations. Christians for the most part are physical Israel. And Israel weren't "Jews" by today's definition....
The mish-mash of beliefs are being burnt away by God as thankfully we wake up to the Truth of God's Word instead of the man-made traditions of men. Nearly every aspect of "Christianity" that the Roman Catholic Church
invented, such as Christmas on 25th December, will be stripped away. This is an example of paganism being purposely mixed into the fledging Christianity. Astronomy has proven that the "Bethlehem Star" would have stopped over Bethlehem on 25th December when Jesus was a few months old.

As far as this Osiris "myth" and Jesus being a copy, there are so many great works which debunk it entirely that sometimes I cannot see why people still choose to believe a lie, until I read:

1CO 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

It is something that many scoff at until God calls.

For all intents and purposes , Christianity has an identity crisis that they need to resolve . Tantamount to Plagiarism on their part for doing so to keep as their own .

Can see where they would deny vehemently any connection to Egypt , thus burning of texts , and all other fashions of removing the heretics when challenging their so called doctrine .

Originally posted by watchdog8110
At the end of the day , the Christians took the factual / mythological stories from Egypt and transcribed them in their fashion and called it Gospel / Bible . sighhhhhhhhh

Funny, considering all of scripture concerns a chosen people who continually wander off to worship these other "false gods" and "idols" and who are continually rebuked and punished because of it.....sighhhhh.

There are many who seem to want to believe that Christ is a copycat and thus accept any evidence that they feel backs up their beliefs whether that evidence is truthful or not. The heartbreaking aspect to many who believe in God is that this flood of false doctrines and myths serve only one purpose - to keep many from even seeking God in the first place. He's there, waiting for earnest prayers from those who seek Him. Why? Because only He can point you to the Truth of Jesus Christ and what He did for those given to Him by God.

Where did the biggest public resurrection occur ? Egypt and they are still in turmoil fighting against their self proclaimed gods . Talk about a pyramid scheme .

Originally posted by watchdog8110
For all intents and purposes , Christianity has an identity crisis that they need to resolve . Tantamount to Plagiarism on their part for doing so to keep as their own .

Can see where they would deny vehemently any connection to Egypt , thus burning of texts , and all other fashions of removing the heretics when challenging their so called doctrine .

Not ALL Christians have this problem. Just need to reject the bits that aren't Christian and go back to the faith that Jesus & the First Century disciples taught.

Jesus said the wheat and the weeds would grow together and it would be difficult to tell one from the other.

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That could also mean that by the matter of the cities growing bigger and less and less people growing food and the weeds take over . Interpretation of saying can go many different ways .

I caught this article today on twitter from ABC News from July 2010 showing research done by a guy on the original Greek manuscripts of the Gospels.

Jesus Christ May Not Have Died on A Cross

As some of us already acknowledge Jesus did not die on a Cross. The Greek word for the implement that Jesus was tortured and put to death on is "stauros", which means "stake" or "long piece of wood".

A cross was substituted because the Romans already worshiped a God called Tamuz and the letter T became a symbol of this deity. Also the Egyptian Anck was again already a symbol of diviinty as I've posted previously.

Therefore making out Jesus died on a Cross and using it as a symbol of worship for the new established Roman Pseudo Christian Religion suited a purpose. A quick mistranslation of events and Voila we have a more acceptable religion for the Pagans to adopt.

Originally posted by JB1234
A cross was substituted because the Romans already worshiped a God called Tamuz and the letter T became a symbol of this deity.

Tammuz was Babylonian (and Sumerian). The Romans didn't worship him -- his worship died out many centuries before (and I'm not sure he was that widely worshiped. He was one of many resurrected examples. The Romans had Adonis, but Adonis wasn't resurrected after death, and doesn't match anything else. The letter "T" didn't symbolize any deity (letters that symbolized deities were a feature of the northern (Germanic/Nordic) religions, not Greek/Roman/etc.)

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I didn't make it up about Tammuz you know - he's not that much of an unknown God because he got a mention in the Bible (Ezekiel 8:13-14) 13 "And he continued on to say to me: “You will yet see again great detestable things that they are doing.” 14 So he brought me to the entrance of the gate of the house of Jehovah, which is toward the north, and, look! there the women were sitting, weeping over the [god] Tam′muz."

In Sumerian texts, Tammuz is called Dumuzi and is identified as the consort or lover of the fertility goddess Inanna (Babylonian Ishtar). It has been suggested that Tammuz was originally a king who was deified after his death. Sumerian texts believed to date from the 18th century B.C.E. show that the kings of Sumer were identified with Dumuzi.

Ishtar from Babylon as you will no doubt know is identified with the mother God Isis who was the mother of Horus and consort of Osiris - so yet another tie in which this thread's OP.

Regarding the identification of Tammuz, D. Wolkstein and S. N. Kramer remarked: “There were quite a number of ‘dying gods’ in ancient Sumer, but the best known is Dumuzi, the biblical Tammuz, whom the women of Jerusalem were still mourning in the days of the prophet Ezekiel. Originally, the god Dumuzi was a mortal Sumerian ruler, whose life and death had made a profound impression on the Sumerian thinkers and mythographers.” (Inanna, Queen of Heaven and Earth, New York, 1983, p. 124) In addition, O. R. Gurney wrote: “Dumuzi was originally a man, a king of Erech . . . The humanity of Dumuzi is, moreover, confirmed by the mythological passage in which he says to Inanna ‘I will lead you to the house of my god’. This is not the way in which a god would speak.”—Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. 7, 1962, pp. 150-152.

The use of the cross can be traced back to Mesopotamia, to two thousand years before Christ. Crosses even decorated Scandinavian rock engravings during the Bronze Age, centuries before Jesus was born. Such non-Christians used the cross “as a magic sign . . . giving protection, bringing good luck,” wrote Sven Tito Achen, Danish historian and expert on symbols, in the book Symbols Around Us. It is no wonder that the New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures, where it has largely a cosmic or natural signification.” Why, then, have the churches chosen the cross as their most sacred symbol?

W. E. Vine, respected British scholar, offers these hard facts: “By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. . . . pagans were received into the churches . . . and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, . . . with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted.”—Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words.

Vine further notes that both the noun “cross” and the verb “crucify” refer to “a stake or pale . . . distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed cross.” In agreement with this, Oxford University’s Companion Bible says: “The evidence is . . . that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle.” Clearly, the churches have adopted a tradition that is not Biblical.
Historian Achen, quoted above, observes: “In the two centuries after the death of Jesus it is doubtful that the Christians ever used the device of the cross.” To the early Christians, he adds, the cross “must have chiefly denoted death and evil, like the guillotine or the electric chair to later generations.”

The Romans and the Greeks adopted many Sumerian & Egyptian Pagan beleifs and customs and the Cross was a symbol of religious beleif long before the birth of Christ.

This releif of an Assyrian King wearing a Cross is to be found in the British Museum in London and it is an exact match to a Celtic Cross. It dates from around 800BCE

Its no secret the Bible takes it stories for Older Mythology.Crucifixion, Afterlife, Final Judgement, Law Givers/10 Commandments, Flood Myths, Resurrection even the Christian day of worship is taken from other Mythology etc, etc...

Originally posted by Zeer0
Its no secret the Bible takes it stories for Older Mythology.Crucifixion, Afterlife, Final Judgement, Law Givers/10 Commandments, Flood Myths, Resurrection even the Christian day of worship is taken from other Mythology etc, etc...

This is just an attempt to dismiss the Bible and it's teachings. The Bible is different to other ancient writings because it names characters and events and what's more it's accounts are warts and all. If Bible characters behaved badly, the writers didn't hold back from naming and shaming. The Hebrews were portrayed in anything but a favourable light at times as they were constantly bickering, moaning and turning to other pagan Gods.

You do not find this candidness very often in other ancient texts, which were often manipulated by the writer or the subject of the text. Egyptian Pharoah's for instance would often have names removed from inscriptions if someone became an enemy and therefore in some cases the accounts depicted are not totally reliable.

In contrast the Bible has proved it's historical accuracy over and over again.

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There is an interesting thread on ATS just opened which goes hand in hand with the OP and explains how ALL of these pagan beleifs go back to Ancient Babylon and Sumeria.

All Roads Lead to Babylon : Mystery Babylon Demystified

Many of these pagan teachings were later adopted by Christendom to make the new religion of Rome, that was to be imposed as the new state religion as all encompassing and acceptable to as many people as possible. Hence true Christianity became polluted with Paganism and Ancient beleifs.