Public Policy Polling : Ron Paul the FRONT RUNNER @ 23% in Iowa.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


IMO, thought creates reality. Thinking its a 'foregone conclusion' that Ron Paul will lose, help shapes our consensus realitys future that in fact, he will lose. Why do folks think its so important to the PTB have people think the future cant be better? Why do folks think its so important to the PTB to have people think Ron Paul cant win, and accept a defeatist attitude?

Screw the "odds", and the supposed practicality of acquiescing to the "logical" conclusion. Upsets that buck the odds and shock the participants happen all the time.

Resign your thoughts of success and mentally capitulate if you must, but I will not, and I urge others not to adopt the precise attitude TPTB are hoping, wishing, and praying that we all do.

reply to post by babybunnies

I think when some of the other candidates drop out (especially Perry) those votes will go to Ron Paul...Mitt and Gingrich will have a status quo Gov..nothing will change.. with the same ole games...Spend, steal and make the weapons makers continue to get rich..

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
Seen the video - heard the arguments.

If he gets in power and has his ways he will kill the United States of America.

He is whoring for votes with the "no tax" and "free drugs".

Whose United States is he killing? The 99.9%s US, who Im betting all to a large degree support the original paradigm the founders established, or the 0.1%s US, who are wannabe tyrants, kings and despots, wishing to completely uproot the republic and cement a plutocracy with legions of serfs at their immediate disposal?

You wouldnt happen to be a part of, or shilling for, the 0.1%, would you

reply to post by HolgerTheDane


Oh yeah because our current system isn't crumbling as we speak with the FED putting us nearly 16T in debt. Good thing those in Denmark don't get to choose who our next pres will be.

Ron's top tier status is solidified once again in case anybody wants to complain about PPP:

www.realclearpolitics.com...

24% Paul
18% Romney
16% Perry
13% Gingrich
10% Bachmann
4% Huntsman
3% Santorum


And he leads with all three parties:

Reps: 21.9
Dems: 25.9
Indies:27.8

Originally posted by CaticusMaximus
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Thus, that power given back to the states, would negate the need for a giant (illegal) unapportioned federal income tax forced on private citizens under physical threats of incarceration and theft of property.

Basically Ron Paul is for eliminating the TRIBUTE that it forced from every citizen to the wannabe royalty in DC.

Thank you for the answer.

State tax is on the states, of course. Let the states handle those matters you mentioned.

But to continue being the "greatest nation on earth" those states would have to pay someone to keep the army - just to name one thing.

Surely that is your state taxes going to a federal purpose? Question remains how many more federal tasks that state taxes will have to fork out for.
Perhaps even enough for the state tax to reach a level where it makes no difference if you pay federal tax as now or state tax in the "Ron future".

Seen from Denmark - which isn't the capital of Sweden - it seems that some of the things you really want the federal government to keep their grubby hands off would be something like the defence of the Texan borders.

Originally posted by CaticusMaximus
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You wouldnt happen to be a part of, or shilling for, the 0.1%, would you

No way Jose.

But I'm one of those pinkies, liberals, almost semi communists.

Originally posted by Wookiep
reply to post by HolgerTheDane

 

Oh yeah because our current system isn't crumbling as we speak with the FED putting us nearly 16T in debt. Good thing those in Denmark don't get to choose who our next pres will be.

edit on 19-12-2011 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)

But your economi is crumbling because of two Bush'es and the criminal way big business has sucked you dry.

EDIT:

Forgot to comment your happiness about us not voting your president.

Had we participated in the reality show of the world, your great nation would be voted off and as you leave the set, we would hear a single gun shot.

reply to post by HolgerTheDane

Does this mean that you back that people should look out for themselves? That poor people should remain just that - poor? That the NO TAXES means that you will have to pay for health care, roads, sewers, etc. by way of paying private companies for those services. Private companies which are well known for their fair prices?

What are you babbling about? Eliminating the income tax would only require cutting spending levels to those of 1990, which wouldn't be difficult at all with Ron Paul's Plan to Restore America, which cuts $1 trillion in the first year and balances the budget by year 3.

reply to post by HolgerTheDane


Welfare, socialism and communism should all be voluntary acts. In a free society, you cannot and shall not force a free man to give his money to a government which will, IN FACT, distribute it inefficiently.

However, the free man is FREE to volunteer his money to a good or broken system if he chooses to. That is the difference.

What we're trying to do is to reinstate the rule of law where the government MAY NOT steal our wealth and distribute it inefficiently, holding no accountability, giving it away to those that do not deserve it over those that do and using it to fund wars and giving aid to the elites and rich of poor countries.

reply to post by HolgerTheDane

If he gets in power and has his ways he will kill the United States of America.

You literally could not be any farther from the truth! The United States of America has been dead for decades, and if he gets in power, he will revive the United States that once were. Remember that document that our government used to follow? You know, the one that restricts the government and protects American citizens rights? Yeah, he will follow that to the letter. His presidency will be one that follows the rule of law. If you think abiding by the Constitution is equivalent to killing America, my God dude something is seriously wrong with your state of mind.

He is whoring for votes with the "no tax" and "free drugs".

Not no taxes, just an elimination of the income tax. You realize there are many other taxes besides that, right? And free drugs? Who said anything about "free" drugs?

reply to post by eLPresidente


Wow, look at how popular he is with the 18-29 year old demographic! 47.8% will vote for him!

reply to post by TupacShakur


and the support falls as the age goes up.

Seniors only get tv and radio....

If this isn't proof of media propaganda......

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

Originally posted by CaticusMaximus
***snip***
Thus, that power given back to the states, would negate the need for a giant (illegal) unapportioned federal income tax forced on private citizens under physical threats of incarceration and theft of property.

Basically Ron Paul is for eliminating the TRIBUTE that it forced from every citizen to the wannabe royalty in DC.

Thank you for the answer.

State tax is on the states, of course. Let the states handle those matters you mentioned.

But to continue being the "greatest nation on earth" those states would have to pay someone to keep the army - just to name one thing.

Surely that is your state taxes going to a federal purpose? Question remains how many more federal tasks that state taxes will have to fork out for.
Perhaps even enough for the state tax to reach a level where it makes no difference if you pay federal tax as now or state tax in the "Ron future".

Seen from Denmark - which isn't the capital of Sweden - it seems that some of the things you really want the federal government to keep their grubby hands off would be something like the defence of the Texan borders.

edit on 19.12.2011 by HolgerTheDane because: (no reason given)

The federal government has so many black money holes that its not funny. With all those black money holes sealed off through the elimination of nigh useless agencies and basically stolen funds, the agencies that actually have use and necessity will require a drastically reduced budget.

Military DEFENSE (NOT the Orwellian "defense" that is common usage now, which is actually the military OFFENSE budget), high courts, etc, need only a fraction of what is now being given to run just fine.

Ron Paul is not for anarchy. He is for REDUCED government, and I dont think any sane, rational person without bias can say that the US federal government is NOT a bloated, corrupt, for-profit travesty that needs a major overhaul.

He is also for giving back power to the states, as was originally intended. The runaway, boarderline rogue, federal government must be chained and placed back where it belongs; OUT of the states business, and OUT of dictating citizens everyday lives.

The MSM is finding it hard to ignore Paul lately, but they're still trying very hard to do just that.

And there is no such thing as a wasted vote, they all count.

In Minnesota we have proven this in the last 3 elections. From Jesse Ventura getting elected governor to 2 very close national races, the votes count.


If you are afraid to vote for Paul because you don't think he can win you are the problem. Vote for the man you think will be best at the job. If everyone votes this way Paul will win.

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
Seen the video - heard the arguments.

If he gets in power and has his ways he will kill the United States of America.

He is whoring for votes with the "no tax" and "free drugs".

When I vote, it is people like YOU that I am voting against. How about you do some actual research. Oh, that's right, you're probably one of those who bought into the candidate whoring their message of "Hope and Change" last time around.

You need to understand the concept of real liberty the way our founders intended. You need to understand how we would generate revenue in the absence of an income tax.

edit: sorry, you're from Denmark. Europe has it's own problems right now and we're trying to elect someone who doesn't drag us into the same muck and mire.

I suggest any true Ron Paul supports should share any articles they come across on facebook, do not under estimate the power of social networks.. Look what happened in these countrys which have been over powered by citizens or protests..

Want Ron Paul to win? Forget TV media, News Papers, While they help its still possible with the sheer number of americans using social networks.. Not everyone in those countrys who have protested have access to the internet and you know that the issues wasnt on TV.

GOGOGOGO Share everything you can to do with Ron Paul and get america back to the great nation it once was...

Also,

I think the majority of young voters for Ron Paul is because hes actually addressing issues which makes sense, the other contenders hide behind a blanket of policy. Ron Paul is actually making politics fun to watch.

I would be instresting to know exactly how many people actually find this guy refreshing and entertaining everything time he speaks. GO RON PAUL 2012

I am twenty eight, a democrat. My folks are too. My father and I will often banter about politics, world events and lately the republican debate spectacle. Even he is starting to get what Paul has been saying for years, and he grudgingly admits that he is a superior candidate... Though it isn't hard to see why when you look at the lineup. Talk about a house divided.

My biggest gripe is definitely big government followed by these endless wars and aggression against other countries. Sometimes I think as a nation we need not stick our noses in things. We should be engaging with other nations but not with military strong arming. And it seems pretty clear to me that Iran is next in the sights of the military complex here, and lets face it, the gas tank is empty on such an endeavor and our military needs a break.

We must work on the Fox News people who have fell for the story of another great demon. To get Americans to support a war, an evil must be portrayed. The fear of that evil is so great they would sell their freedom, the Constitution and any hope for their children to live in a free and peaceful society to stamp out this imaginary devil. They are so full of blinding fear that they can't see the reality right in front of them. There is no devil, there is only people.