Victoria’s Secret Revealed in Child Picking Burkina Faso Cotton

Originally posted by rbnhd76

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Domo1

 

Capitalism at it's finest.

Wait, what?

How the hell did you come up with that?

So, what's so much better?

Communism?

Nope, you get what the state gives you, child labor or not.

Socialism? LMAO

Some people..

On the OP..

I agree Domo, nobody should be picking cotton anymore..

Don't they make a machine for that?

Since, like, a hundred years ago?

WTF

edit on 17-12-2011 by rbnhd76 because: Forgot to respond to OP

Yeah, Eli Whitney invented it. It's called the Cotton Gin.

And, ahem, while I'm on this topic, there has been a marked difference in uhm, clothing sold by VS in the last 7 years or so. Once durable, the underwires now spontaneously melt when the four inches of padding accumulate enough friction. How one of those melons doesn't just pop out of its foam-lift while strutting the runway is anybody's guess.

reply to post by InfoKartel


Hey check out the mission statement of your source

The mission of Colombia Journal is to promote political, social and economic justice in Colombia by creating a greater awareness and understanding of U.S. foreign policy. To this end, Colombia Journal provides editorial analysis from a leftist perspective—anywhere from the center-left (i.e. social democratic) to the left (i.e. socialist)—in an effort to dispel the myth of media objectivity.

colombiajournal.org...
The blogger is Garry Leech

He is co-author with Terry Gibbs of The Failure of Global Capitalism: From Cape Breton to Colombia and Beyond (CBU Press, 2009)

So Leftist + economic and social justice + books about the failure of Capitalism


oops it was Poet's link but you both are cut from the same cloth anyway.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


The ole attack the messenger.

Just because you don't like the site, doesn't change the facts.

I grabbed the first link that backed up the original statement.

The same is true all over Latin America. It is all ran mob style.

And our CIA runs around doing the dirty work for the corporations.

Sad but what company ISNT using these methods.

It seems every other major company is using slave labor and or child labor. It's so wrong!

They don't care, as long as that product makes them money they dont care where it is made.

Personally VS stuff is over priced crap. It's falls apart so easily!

I watched a documentary called "Santa's Workshop" and it really bothered me. It amazed me to see these corp suit types act like nothing is going on and that what they do to these people is ok because it's not in the USA.

I would love to boycott things not made in the US but I'd be running around naked and pretty much without anything in my apt minus a few kitchen appliances.

Corporate America

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Hey check out the mission statement of your source

Erm..did you check the Coca Cola union thing? It's not written by some blogger.

So Leftist + economic and social justice + books about the failure of Capitalism

Yeh that's all you need to see with that third eye of yours right?

oops it was Poet's link but you both are cut from the same cloth anyway.

What a piece of work you are...

"Here's a reply to your source, but it is not your source."

Maybe you should ditch all that superstitious third eye stuff and focus on some education?

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

How can they organize under constant threat of violence and death? How did Americans organize under British rule?

You cannot compare the two situations. What you are speaking of happened over 300 years ago. Now there are machine guns, bombs, cellphones, digital trackers...how do you want to speak out?

Sorry to say but you sound like you were a sheltered child. I'm done with this back- and forward, you do not put things in context you are just chatting ideological. Which is fine but do not bother serious people with it.

Ideological? A sheltered child? For your information I was born under a Communist regime. My father was accused of trying to start a revolution because of his outspokenness against the Communists. We had house visits from the equivalents of the CIA, and they came to harass my father at work as well. They threatened him with jail if he didn't turn in those who held the same beliefs as he did. Since most people at the time were too scared to do anything and only very few were willing to speak out despite the dangers, we ended up defecting to Germany. It was a life and death risk, because if you were caught trying to escape, you could say good-bye to everything you ever knew. He risked his life for ours. You think there were no guns, bombs or technology back in the 80's??? For your information they did have guns and explosives 300 years ago.

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I would say you learned surprisingly little from your experiences then. They couldn't wish for the technology of today in the 80s, besides, intelligence is a major factor in understandig your situation today in context to over 30 years ago. I've come across people who had to flee their homeland for all kinds of reasons, but it was always the least intelligent ones that start bitching about how little the people back home do to "free themselves". or in your case, bitching about the victims instead of the culprits in Colombia. You have to understand that some things are not possible when entire populations are kept in the dark, illiterate, unorganized, divided, outmuscled and outgunned. maybe you took in too much information from american movies?

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

I would say you learned surprisingly little from your experiences then. They couldn't wish for the technology of today in the 80s, besides, intelligence is a major factor in understandig your situation today in context to over 30 years ago. I've come across people who had to flee their homeland for all kinds of reasons, but it was always the least intelligent ones that start bitching about how little the people back home do to "free themselves". or in your case, bitching about the victims instead of the culprits in Colombia. You have to understand that some things are not possible when entire populations are kept in the dark, illiterate, unorganized, divided, outmuscled and outgunned. maybe you took in too much information from american movies?

Wow.... you just don't quit, do you. I've been quite respectful during our exchange, but you're making this personal by insinuating that I'm an idiot. I'm not "bitching" about the victims. I'm telling you what victims in other countries did to free themselves of the oppression of their own Governments. If you can't see that, I'm not sure how else to explain it. The Government or the oppressing party always outguns the oppressed, that's why they are oppressed! Yet still Governments and oppressors fall when the oppressed organize and work together to topple them. Nothing is impossible. I took in too much information from American movies??? You're unbelievable.

reply to post by 2manyquestions


Again, look back a few posts to see the argument you just re-used disproven(again). BTW, you show that you have no clue how things work in the real world, you cannot compare Russia to Colombia to Burkina Faso, but if you cannot comprehend that then I'll spare you a history lesson and the millionth mention of context.

All I have to say is that it is easy and comfortable to look away.

Here is the slave labor conditions of the people who make our computers.

www.sourcewatch.org...

Lenovo purchases power supply devices including invertors, converters, and adapters from the Yonghong Electronics factory in Shenzhen. Yonghong is a member of the FSP Group and was founded in May 2000. In 2006, it was found to employ children under the age of 16, though by 2008 only workers of legal age were found to be working in the factory.[8] Workers at the factory are forced to work up to 7 days a week and 100-200 hours of overtime a month, in clear violation of Chinese labor law. Exhaustion is a common problem amongst workers at the factory, and they are often paid wages below the legal minimum, especially probationary (new) workers. [9] While some workers are paid the legal minimum wage of 750 yuan/month, the system in place to pay overtime wages does not pay for more than 3 hours of overtime a day, even though workers are forced to work longer in order to make the daily production quotas. [10] Because of the repetitive nature of the factory work and the extreme long hours, besides exhaustion, workers suffer from repetitive motion injuries, and neck, shoulder, and back pain are common. [10] The problem is exacerbated by the management policy that fines workers for moving their chairs from a yellow line painted on the floor to make all chairs placed in a straight line, a policy even worse for smaller employees who are not close enough to reach their work tables comfortably. [10] Workers are not provided with hazard or safety training or face masks and inhale fumes produced by soldering. [11] Workers at the Yonghong factory are not permitted to stop working there, despite the Chinese labor law code which allows for resignation with one-month prior notice. Employees complain that management refuses to look at their applications of resignation. [11] Workers sleep in rooms with 12 people in the dormitories, and they expressed concerns to SACOM interviewers about the quality and cleanliness of the food provided to them. [12]

That is slavery, pure and simple. Capitalism meets Marxism, and they call it a free market.

It is down right dirty and medieval. This is what things have morphed into. The people who profit off of this system should be ashamed. And this could be the future for most people's kids.

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

Again, look back a few posts to see the argument you just re-used disproven(again). BTW, you show that you have no clue how things work in the real world, you cannot compare Russia to Colombia to Burkina Faso, but if you cannot comprehend that then I'll spare you a history lesson and the millionth mention of context.

All I have to say is that it is easy and comfortable to look away.

Maybe you're the one who has no clue and who fails to comprehend. I'm done with your personal insults.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

He is co-author with Terry Gibbs of The Failure of Global Capitalism: From Cape Breton to Colombia and Beyond (CBU Press, 2009)

So Leftist + economic and social justice + books about the failure of Capitalism


oops it was Poet's link but you both are cut from the same cloth anyway.

edit on 23-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

So you must have a book on the grand success of global capitalism you could suggest as a counter read?

reply to post by InfoKartel


I'm sorry, I'm not going to trust some leftist in Columbia. It's your choice if you want to. In fact, after viewing the violent tendencies of Unions here in the States, do you really think Unions in Columbia would be less violent? Central and South America have been prone to Marxist guerilla regimes for decades.

The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia – People's Army (Spanish: Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia – Ejército del Pueblo; FARC-EP, or simply FARC) is a Marxist–Leninist and Luxemburgist revolutionary guerrilla organization based in Colombia which is involved in the ongoing Colombian armed conflict.[12][13][14][15]

FARC-EP is a peasant army which has proclaimed itself to be a revolutionary agrarian, anti-imperialist Marxist-Leninist organization of Bolivarian inspiration.[12][16][17][18] It claims to represent the rural poor in a struggle against Colombia's wealthier classes, and opposes United States influence in Colombia (e.g. Plan Colombia), neo-imperialism, monopolization of natural resources by multinational corporations, and paramilitary or government violence. It funds itself principally through ransom kidnappings, gold mining[19] and production and distribution of illegal drugs.[20][21]

FARC-EP (then known simply as FARC) was established as a military wing of the Colombian Communist Party after government military forces attacked rural communist enclaves during the aftermath of La Violencia in 1964.[16][31]
FARC-EP is a violent non-state actor (VNSA), described as a terrorist group by the Colombian government,[36] the United States Department of State,[37] the Canadian government,[38] the Chilean government,[39] the New Zealand Government,[40] and the European Union.[41][42] The Venezuelan government and others, such as the governments of Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador and Nicaragua, do not classify the FARC-EP as a "terrorist organization".[43][44][45][46][47] Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez publicly rejected their classification as "terrorists" in January 2008, considering them to be "real armies"

en.wikipedia.org...


Here's a little something about Trade Unions and Socialism and it's straight out of the horse's mouth.

Trade Unionism really represents in one sense an attempt to organise monopolies of labour power in order to break down the competition between the workers who in the labour market are commodities for sale and to establish monopoly prices for labour. The more Trade Unionism advances in this direction the more difficult it becomes for the Capitalists to make profit. Hence the everlasting cry of the Capitalists for “lower production costs” and its opposite the workers’ struggle for higher wages and improved conditions. This is the fundamental contradiction of Capitalist economy—a struggle between the two classes, the propertied class and the propertyless—which is inevitable so long as the private ownership of the means of production exists.
From this the Socialist draws the conclusion, therefore, that the class primarily interested in the change from private property to social property is the working class. The goal of Socialism as the classless society has its starting point in the propertyless condition of the working class which is also precisely the starting point of Trade Unionism. The Trade Unions represent the first weapons of the working class in the struggle against Capitalist interests; the Socialist’s goal represents the consummation of the struggle of the working class—its emancipation from the system which gives rise to that struggle.
Trade Unionism and Socialism have thus a common origin and the aim of Socialism is only possible of achievement by the working class becoming victorious in the struggle against Capitalism.

The Socialist is not anti-trade union. On the contrary, he is the most ardent of Trade Unionists. Socialists want their fellow Trade Unionists to recognise the cause of the struggle their Trade Unions are compelled to wage. Recognising the cause as rooted in the private ownership of the means of production and the propertyless conditions of the working class, Socialists want all the struggles of the unions to be co-ordinated, so that behind every national or industry conflict there will be available the appropriate power of the working class. Socialists want sectionalism to be superseded by a united working class army of the unions led by a general staff which directs the struggles of the workers to one end—the securing of the victory of the working class over the Capitalists.

www.marxists.org...

reply to post by InfoKartel


There is a difference between seeing things from a higher perspective(3rd eye as in the chakra which sees past relative good and evil and relative things like how much the CEO at a large corporation makes and the money a janitor makes and sees beyond skin color, race, religion, culture, nationality, and political affiliation) and making a mistake. You clearly do not understand the function of the chakras as translators of spiritual energy to the physical.
You obviously see things from the point of relativity, which is what secular humanism teaches and revels in. The third eye is not a reference to superstition but a spiritual teaching and evolution not rooted in Darwin's depopulation theory of man as nothing but animal with animal tendencies.
So that is my darshan on the difference between the spirituality of the third eye and the duality of the two physical eyes.

Oh by the way, did you ever hear of the concept of humility? At least I admitted to making a mistake in full view of everyone. Would you do the same?

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

He is co-author with Terry Gibbs of The Failure of Global Capitalism: From Cape Breton to Colombia and Beyond (CBU Press, 2009)

So Leftist + economic and social justice + books about the failure of Capitalism


oops it was Poet's link but you both are cut from the same cloth anyway.

edit on 23-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

So you must have a book on the grand success of global capitalism you could suggest as a counter read?

Something tells me I could name 5 such books and you'd never respond favorably or be convinced. But as they say, the proof is in the pudding. Socialists just confiscate the earnings of productive people in the name of fairness and economic justice. Of course it's really not just.

reply to post by poet1b


So every time we purchase an item we must travel to that region to see how it is made? Or should we just make an assumption that everything made in foreign and third world nations employs slave labor? Are you trying to reform China or boycott the goods the poor people there make so that they have no jobs at all? Or are you trying to make yourself feel like a good person because you are so worried about all those people and how the evil corporations are hurting them? Or maybe door number four is trying to abolish Capitalism altogether because you believe socialism and/or communism will save everybody and bring a wonderful Utopia where everyone is equal ?

Workers at the Yonghong factory are not permitted to stop working there, despite the Chinese labor law code which allows for resignation with one-month prior notice. Employees complain that management refuses to look at their applications of resignation. [11] Workers sleep in rooms with 12 people in the dormitories, and they expressed concerns to SACOM interviewers about the quality and cleanliness of the food provided to them. [12]

Being equal can obviously bring some bad consequences. Everyone in those Chinese places seem to be treated badly, but China is a communist country still and the conditions described are not of Capitalism but of communism. It sounds entirely like the labor camps of Russia during the communist industrialization under Stalin.

In what Capitalist corporation have you ever worked for where they did not accept a resignation? That is so communist it's not even funny. And you think you are fighting the evil corporations when you rail against it. All that is happening here is that Communist China is using corporations to achieve their goals of productivity.Oh by the by, here's a little sumptin sumptin on the Center for Media and Democracy

CMD publishes PR Watch, "Food Rights Network", SourceWatch, and BanksterUSA.org. The SourceWatch website, is a Wiki, which is described as a collaborative project to produce a directory of public relations firms, think tanks, industry-funded organizations and industry-friendly experts that work to influence public opinion and public policy on behalf of corporations, governments and advocacy groups.[9]
BanksterUSA.org states that it wishes “to be your go-to site for updates on the financial services re-regulation fight in Congress and for progressive net-roots campaigning against the big boys on Wall Street.” BanksterUSA.org has received $200,000 by the Open Society Institute, the charity with ties to investor George Soros. [9]

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by poet1b

YongHong is Taiwan based and it seems there are several locations in China

alashan.en.hisupplier.com...

Here's a statement from YongHong...oh they are green too!!!

We strictly follow ISO 9002: 2000 standards, and adopt TQM management system. Using environment-friendly materials, our products are all innocuous ("green" products). We have obtained American "Class H" Certification for transformers and AC/DC adapters.

en.sm160.com...

Here is what's going on in China

The term “State Capitalism” is frequently used in two different ways: first, as an economic form in which the state performs the role of the capitalist employer, exploiting the workers in the interest of the state. The federal mail system or a state-owned railway are examples of this kind of state capitalism. In Russia, this form of state capitalism predominates in industry : the work is planned, financed and managed by the state; the directors of industry are appointed by the state and profits are considered the income of the state. Second, we find that a condition is defined as state capitalism (or state socialism) under which capitalist enterprises are controlled by the state. This definition is misleading, however, as there still exists under these conditions capitalism in the form of private ownership, although the owner of an enterprise is no longer the sole master, his power being restricted so long as some sort of social insurance system for the workers is accepted.

It depends now on the degree of state interference in private enterprises. If the state passes certain laws affecting employment conditions, such as the hiring and firing of workers, if enterprises are being financed by a federal banking system, or subventions are being granted to support the export trade, or if by law the limit of dividends for the large corporations is fixed – then a condition will be reached under which state control will regulate the entire economic life

oops here's the link www.marxists.org...
Statism

I'm sorry, I'm not going to trust some leftist in Columbia. It's your choice if you want to. In fact, after viewing the violent tendencies of Unions here in the States, do you really think Unions in Columbia would be less violent?

FARC has not been a "leftist" group for decades, they began as a serious revolutionary movement but due to the influence of opportunistic lumpen elements they are now nothing more than narco-capitalist sell-outs and terroristic entrepreneurs. Also, when it comes to narco-capitalist skullduggery and violent terrorism against the masses, they are amateurs compared to the right-wing paramilitaries and the CIA.

Also the primary form of "violence" practiced by regime unions in the US is against the working-class.

Central and South America have been prone to Marxist guerilla regimes for decades.

Because the people of Latin America are so much better off with Batista and the Contras.

Here's a little something about Trade Unions and Socialism and it's straight out of the horse's mouth.

Murphy is writing about revolutionary worker's unions. Totally different than modern-day unions which are nothing more than another parasitic layer of professional middle-management.

There is a difference between seeing things from a higher perspective(3rd eye as in the chakra which sees past relative good and evil and relative things like how much the CEO at a large corporation makes and the money a janitor makes and sees beyond skin color, race, religion, culture, nationality, and political affiliation) and making a mistake. You clearly do not understand the function of the chakras as translators of spiritual energy to the physical. You obviously see things from the point of relativity, which is what secular humanism teaches and revels in. The third eye is not a reference to superstition but a spiritual teaching and evolution not rooted in Darwin's depopulation theory of man as nothing but animal with animal tendencies. So that is my darshan on the difference between the spirituality of the third eye and the duality of the two physical eyes.

You are obviously using religious false-consciousness as a way to ignore and escape the reality of the natural world and human history. I'll take science over idealistic psychological opium any day.

So every time we purchase an item we must travel to that region to see how it is made? Or should we just make an assumption that everything made in foreign and third world nations employs slave labor?

Not just "foreign and third world nations" but the entire capitalist world.

Or maybe door number four is trying to abolish Capitalism altogether because you believe socialism and/or communism will save everybody and bring a wonderful Utopia where everyone is equal ?

Yes, clearly this is totally irrational. Instead we should spend more time trying to open our third eye chakra, because that is a much better use of our time.

Everyone in those Chinese places seem to be treated badly, but China is a communist country still and the conditions described are not of Capitalism but of communism. It sounds entirely like the labor camps of Russia during the communist industrialization under Stalin.

But wait, you yourself, in reference to China, linked to an article by Pannekoek (himself a communist) making the argument that the USSR during the Stalin era had a state-capitalist rather than communist economic base, thus harpooning your own argument. Also are you aware that the cultural revolution period in China began as a working-class revolt against the capitalist policies of Deng Xiaoping and other CCP leaders? Clearly the chakra energy is detrimentally effecting your capacity for rational argument.

In what Capitalist corporation have you ever worked for where they did not accept a resignation?

Yes but a worker in any capitalist country is forced to sell her labor to one employer or another or else starve...Marxism 101

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I suggest you get your education somewhere else than wikipedia.

I don't understand the bridge you made between slavery and Farc but I suppose you need to reach for straws to make sense to yourself.

Your rant about unions shows clear signs of ignorance on what unions are for. Unions are there to stop the (unfair)exploitation of people for profit, period. If there were proper unions with some say and leeway in Burkina Faso or Colombia there would not be as many transgressions commited against the workers. Sure, corruption may play a role in Unions, but, that is a different issue alltogether. I suggest you read up on the situation in your own country before and after proper unions came into existance and draw lessons from that instead of assuming wikipedia is the end all of all arguments. I willing to bet that if it were not for unions, parts of your own family would be unfairly exploited to the point that it would piss you off.

and about the third eye and chakras, please do not bother or burden me/people with your religious beliefs. Is that why you can't rationally look at this subject? Because some voice tells you that you know how it all fits together after you read a wikipedia article? You don't need to answer, just think.

PS. don't claim you are humble when you are using your religious beliefs like a banner then speaking against unions and in support of corporate colonialism.

Take care.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


You ignorance of history is astounding.

Unions created the market economy in the first place, under the trade guilds that helped break Europe out of the dark ages. When Unions have been strong, the U.S. has done our best.

Workers Unions certainly aren't as socialistic as corporate entities, where investors collude to control the market, and destroy the system of the law of supply and demand which enables strong economies to develop.

There are no economically first world nations which do not have strong unions, and laws that protect union organization.