I watched Loose Change 9/11 last night

And I must say I was impressed. I've watched a few other 9/11 conspiracy movies and they were difficult to follow.

AH! I couldn't BELIEVE Bush's ties with everything started with his Grandfather (and maybe before!). That's sickening. Freaking corporate America. Seems as if we were doomed well before he or his father ever went into office.

Did anyone catch that the narrator is "Franco" from the show Rescue Me? I wonder how that sat with Denis Leary and the other guys.

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You realize that most of us laugh at Loose Change right? It doesn't take much honest research to destroy that movie.

Originally posted by aeriess
And I must say I was impressed. I've watched a few other 9/11 conspiracy movies and they were difficult to follow.

AH! I couldn't BELIEVE Bush's ties with everything started with his Grandfather (and maybe before!). That's sickening. Freaking corporate America. Seems as if we were doomed well before he or his father ever went into office.

Did anyone catch that the narrator is "Franco" from the show Rescue Me? I wonder how that sat with Denis Leary and the other guys.

Sunjata? He's a long time truther.

I suggest you buy "Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker, if you want to know more about the Bush family line and their connections to deep politics in the US. Well worth it, well sourced, well researched. The only bone of contention I have is Baker's alternative Watergate theory, fingering George H W Bush ('Poppy') in some key role.

Did you ever see this picture?

"Prescott Bush grooms Richard Nixon"



It's one of the most viewed pictures in my Photobucket album.

Richard Nixon responded to an recruitment ad placed by Prescott Bush, and was subsequently built up as a political figure. During his career, he often wrestled with the debt he owed the Bush family, when asked to repay the favor by appointing Poppy to influential positions.

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Thanks for the info! I'm excited to start reading up on things.

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It could just be me but there is something intensely creepy about that photo. I don't know if it is the smiles or the fact they are all wearing the same kind of hat but it is creepy.

To the OP, despite all the naysayers, a lot of the 9/11 documentaries do present some very interesting facts. We will probably never get to the bottom of it but there is much that doesn't add up.

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You're welcome. The first two chapters are amazing: Poppy supposedly can't remember where he was at the time of the JFK assassination. Baker reveals Poppy deliberately constructed an elaborate cover story. We don't know why. One can make an educated guess. He may not have been directly involved, but something was going on. Poppy had a stake in the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Prescott Bush was a friend of Allen Dulles. They had the connections in the South. Poppy knew Lee Harvey Oswald's Russian expat chaperone, George DeMorenschildt, and DeMorenschildt later practically begged (!) Poppy, then head of the CIA, to get the CIA/FBI off his back.

You will excuse this hand-written letter. Maybe you will be able to bring a solution to the hopeless situation I find myself in. My wife and I find ourselves surrounded by some vigilantes; our phone bugged; and we are being followed everywhere. Either FBI is involved in this or they do not want to accept my complaints. We are driven to insanity by the situation. I have been behaving like a damn fool ever since my daughter Nadya died from [cystic fibrosis] over three years ago. I tried to write, stupidly and unsuccessfully, about Lee H Oswald and must have angered a lot of people — I do not know. But to punish an elderly man like myself and my highly nervous and sick wife is really too much. Could you do something to remove the net around us? This will be my last request for help and I will not annoy you any more. Good luck in your important job. Thank you so much.

Poppy acknowledged he knew DeMorenschildt (See "Family Of Secrets") and then distanced himself from him.

Let me say first that I know it must have been difficult for you to seek my help in the situation outlined in your letter. I believe I can appreciate your state of mind in view of your daughter's tragic death a few years ago, and the current poor state of your wife's health. I was extremely sorry to hear of these circumstances. In your situation I can well imagine how the attentions you described in your letter affect both you and your wife. However, my staff has been unable to find any indication of interest in your activities on the part of Federal authorities in recent years. The flurry of interest that attended your testimony before the Warren Commission has long subsided. I can only speculate that you may have become "newsworthy" again in view of the renewed interest in the Kennedy assassination, and thus may be attracting the attention of people in the media. I hope this letter had been of some comfort to you, George, although I realize I am unable to answer your question completely. George Bush, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. [CIA Exec Reg. # 76,51571 9.28.76]

DeMorenschildt later killed himself under questionable circumstances.

Source

And who could forget this awkward moment at Gerald Ford's funeral?

One question. Why is the Bush family so hated and the Kennedy family so venerated? If anyone thinks that the Kennedys are any less corrupt/connected than the Bush family, well, this folks are more deluded than most of the truth movement.

I'm betting we could find Kennedy connections to 9/11....

Originally posted by vipertech0596
One question. Why is the Bush family so hated and the Kennedy family so venerated? If anyone thinks that the Kennedys are any less corrupt/connected than the Bush family, well, this folks are more deluded than most of the truth movement.

I'm betting we could find Kennedy connections to 9/11....

Oh, let's see.

John F. Kennedy was murdered by his own government.

Robert F. Kennedy who believed John F. Kennedy was murdered by his own government, was murdered by his own government.

John F. Kennedy Jr. died under suspicious circumstances.

Prescott Bush was investigated for lending financial support to the Nazis.

Poppy was in favor of eugenics, and his wife is a racist. Poppy loves the New World Order idea. Poppy has all sorts of strange connections to the JFK assassination. He was very likely involved in the Bay of Pigs operation. He was Director of the CIA during the CIA-connected murder of Orlando Letelier, he was involved sideways in Watergate, and fully embroiled in Iran-Contra as well as the October Surprise.

A family friend tried to assassinate Ronald Reagan, which would have given Poppy the presidency.

Then there's the Incubator Baby Hoax which catalyzed public opinion into supporting the first Gulf War, and Poppy, Prescott and George W. Bush were all members of Skull & Bones. Poppy's tied to the war profiteering Carlyle Group, too.

Marvin Bush was involved in a company responsible for electronic security at the World Trade Center. Jeb Bush was governor in Florida during the 2000 election fraud and the 9/11 hijackers were allowed to run amok in his state.

George W. Bush was a draft dodger, an alcoholic and a coke addict, a horrible governor and businessman, who stole an election, allowed 9/11 to happen then covered it up, and under his administration:

• The Anthrax Attacks happened
  
• The USA went to war with Iraq over lies
  
• The Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act were signed
  
• Domestic wiretapping and surveillance exploded
  
• There was again election fraud in 2004
  
• We got a taste of "Bush Science" and climate denial
  
• Katrina happened
  
• A CIA agent was retaliated against and betrayed for opposing the Iraq war, then the perpetrators were pardoned
  
• Torture became acceptable, legal practice
  
• Regulations were methodically destroyed, and eventually the economy collapsed
  
• His vice president shot somebody in the face and got away with it.
  

The Bush clan is a full-fledged crime family, and the peccadillos of the Kennedy brothers pale in comparison.

One family is almost entirely dead, and pursued good policies, historical revisionism notwithstanding, while the other family is alive and prosperous, wringing their hands, screwing the American people up their collective behinds for close to a century.

Why do you ask?

Want to know why JFK was murdered?



That's why. I hope this answers your question? Will you bring up Chappaquiddick now? How about Marylin Monroe?

If anyones interested the Roman Empire is a fairly easy place to draw parallels on how despite a "democratic" republic in place, it is in reality the immensely wealthy families who control every political aspect of the nation and dictate its policies behind closed doors. Often hard to grasp thats how it is in modern times, think we would have evolved away from this sort of fraternal nonsense of ruling families constantly at war with one another.

On a side note, JFK's dad was one of the richest people in America lol. All you have to do is google Merchandise Mart, Chicago and LOL at how insanely rich these people actually were.

Sure, anyone can be president in America.

Thing i dont get is, who were the Bushes working for/with.

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A bit of rampant paranoia dont you think? Mixed in with quite a bit of.....less than accurate statements. But if you want to talk about the Nazis, you might want to 1. Do some better research on Fritz Thyssen and 2. Research Joe Kennedy Sr and HIS beliefs about the Nazis when he was our Ambassador to Great Britain.

But I can see where you have gotten your info on the Bush family.


I will state, I'm not a huge fan of EITHER family...nor any other political dynasty. Nor am I a fan of insane conspiracy theories about either family.

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Speak for yourself dude, I don't know what you think gives you the right to speak for everybody who's watched that movie. Based on the YouTube "like" to "dislike" ratio of 328:18, that tells me what you said is far from the truth.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
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A bit of rampant paranoia dont you think?

No, I don't. Paranoia is delusional, unreasonable suspicion. The Bush clan situation is far past that point. Unless you're an apologist.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
Mixed in with quite a bit of.....less than accurate statements.

Suppose I adjust "pardon" in the bit above to "sentence commutation", I'd appreciate it if you outlined were exactly my statements were "less than accurate".

Originally posted by vipertech0596
But if you want to talk about the Nazis,

My family lived under Nazi occupation.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
you might want to 1. Do some better research on Fritz Thyssen

I did.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
and 2. Research Joe Kennedy Sr and HIS beliefs about the Nazis when he was our Ambassador to Great Britain.

That's true.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
But I can see where you have gotten your info on the Bush family.

Yes, from Russ Baker's book and years upon years of independent research.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
I will state, I'm not a huge fan of EITHER family...nor any other political dynasty. Nor am I a fan of insane conspiracy theories about either family.

I'm not a fan of right wing demagoguery and lies, especially not the tired "insane conspiracy theory" smear when applied to facts. There is a board category on ATS called "US Political Madness".

United States foreign and domestic policies are insane, not their factual exposition.

"If there is a devil in history, it is the power principle."

-- Mikhail Bakunin

Bring it on. Start a thread in the appropriate category.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
I'm betting we could find Kennedy connections to 9/11....

Excuse me, who was president on 9/11? Who was, until June 2000, on the board of directors for Securacom, a company responsible for electronic security of the WTC, Reagan National Airport and Boston Dulles Airport? Who has ties to the Bin Laden family? Who was governor of the state hosting 9/11 hijackers taking flight lessons unimpeded, complete with a Saudi 9/11 hijacker support network? Who signed an updated executive order on September 7, 2001, mobilizing the Florida National Guard in case of terrorism? Who signed the PNAC document? Who was staying in the White House the night before and who stayed at the White House on 9/11 itself? Wasn't that Neil and Poppy? What was Marvin Bush's business in NYC on 9/11? Who was on the payroll of the war profiteering Carlyle Group, and negotiated with the Bin Laden family, also investors, on their behalf? The Carlyle Group subsequently severed ties with the Bin Ladens shortly after 9/11 for obvious reasons.

Last but not least... are you familiar with the glamorous 9/11 exploits of Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud, nicknamed "Bandar Bush"?

So... you go and find those Kennedy "connections". I'll be here waiting for you to explain them in detail...

Originally posted by vipertech0596
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You realize that most of us laugh at Loose Change right? It doesn't take much honest research to destroy that movie.

who is "us"? most on this site believe the official story is one big fat lie. and thanks to loose change, it eventually brought me here.

Loose Change is an excellent presentation, but the best documentary as for how the towers fell is '9/11 Blueprint for Truth'.

Google Video Link

While this does not have all the answers for who did it, it does present a public peer reviewed and scientific analysis for events that day, I see no problem with it standing up in a court of law (if the courts where more about justice than power). As for who did it, I would start with this suspect list whodidit.org...

Originally posted by kwakakev
Loose Change is an excellent presentation, but the best documentary as for how the towers fell is '9/11 Blueprint for Truth'.

Google Video Link

While this does not have all the answers for who did it, it does present a public peer reviewed and scientific analysis for events that day, I see no problem with it standing up in a court of law (if the courts where more about justice than power). As for who did it, I would start with this suspect list whodidit.org...

Thanks for the link to the suspect list. I see David Rockefeller is well down the list. He would be number one on my list. The towers were called David and Nelson because of the influence they had on the WTC project. Exxon Mobil made vast profits as a result of the increase in oil prices following 9/11. Of course that's just a sideline. The real profit was intended to be increasing control of all of us prior to the long planned economic implosion.
I would like to see Richard Gage emphasise the location of the majority of the physical evidence. Around a million tons on the Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island. People can debate forever but there's very little you can say when you're facing multiple independent results of the analysis of the physical evidence.
Occupy Fresh Kills. Dig it up with oversight from wtcfamiliesforproperburial. Send samples around the world. Case closed.

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That would be those of us who live in reality and do our own research. Unlike those who swallow the crap in Loose Change hook, line and sinker.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
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You realize that most of us laugh at

well, that's is expected from so-called 9/11 debunkers.
duh!

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And again, you rely on either out and out lies or innuendo.

You mention Katrina...and blame it on Bush.....showing a distinct lack of knowledge about the situation. Sure, FEMA made some mistakes, however, state and local officials deserve the brunt of the blame over the preparation and response.

You mention Securacom.....not knowing that it was EXCUSED from it's contract to install security systems at the WTC, and ended up as a subcontractor. And that was installing systems, not "in charge"

You mention Valerie Plame.....and appearantly forget that both she and her husband lied to Congress. We will set aside that her job at the CIA was NOT a secret......according to her husband (of course with the lies he told...who knows for sure).

You mention regulations being destroyed and the economy collapsing..not remembering that those wheels were set in motion under Bill Clinton.

You mention Jeb Bush issuing an executive order "mobilizing the national guard in case of terrorism"....totally missing the boat on what the order actually was. The September 7th order had nothing to do with terrorism, its about how the National Guard is required to train to support law enforcement and civil authorities in the event of natural disaster/civil unrest...in other words, it lays out the state responsibilities for the Guard.

You mention the October Surprise.....not remembering that "poppy" would have had to be using an SR-71 Blackbird to have done what he allegedly did. Of course, my favorite quote during that was a prominent Democrat saying that there was absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing.....therefore they had to keep investigating


Quite frankly, if these were examples of your independent research........ I would find a new hobby.

Originally posted by kwakakev
Loose Change is an excellent presentation, but the best documentary as for how the towers fell is '9/11 Blueprint for Truth'.

Google Video Link

While this does not have all the answers for who did it, it does present a public peer reviewed and scientific analysis for events that day, I see no problem with it standing up in a court of law (if the courts where more about justice than power). As for who did it, I would start with this suspect list whodidit.org...

That A&E presentation is about as factual as Loose Change. In other words not at all. As far as I can tell, A&E is a one man show and a revenue generating stream for an unemployable architect.