Controversial Air Force casket photo prompts investigation

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Behold, this is a carefully arranged presentation of the airmen..and women. The posses remind me of skull and bones..including the coffin and the position of the two guys kneeling. Somekind of wannabee S&B order within the airforce maybe..?

Anyways...this stuff should be forbidden because nothing good can come from it.

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
These are soldiers who have been up to their eyeballs in blood, guts and dying friends for who knows how many deployments each.

They're not soldiers, they're airmen. If they're up to their eyeballs in anything, it's not blood, guts, and dying friends. Probably beer.

To amplify on this, they were Airmen in a training course in the United States.

I found a youtube and some interesting youtube comments.

They seem to me to be portraying the fact that thier lives are contracted to inevitably end up in that casket if the war continues and/or escalates..
Thier arms are crossed, reminding me of 1984. Is this a refrence of how they are enslaved to the Military Industrial Complex?
Investigate "Police State", "Martial Law", the "Military Industrial Complex", 1984 and OathkeepersDOTorg
Peace!

Ha im in the air force. Damn shame. Don't worry. That's a guarantee reduction in rank and possibly a article 15 with a chance of getting dishonorbly discharged. Discharged=federal felony. Im going to check the af times to see if there's any news on it (:
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My AF buddy made VERY good defensive points for the AF and this may just be a case of poor journalism. The photo originated from a TRAINING wing, and crossed arms in the AF means stop. The rope and chains on the 'dead' guy are what they use to move and secure planes, so this is most likely one of those TRAINING photos that show what can happen to you if you don't pay attention while working. No more branch bashing, one team one fight. Thumbs up so everyone can see.
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Originally posted by metalshredmetal
IMO, it reads as them saying "ha! we lived, you died, dumbass!" and if that's the message people are getting from this that is very concerning indeed.

It can be read in many other ways, for example:

- We have the chains in the "body", what does that tell you?
- It sucks to be you who is saying that? people standing on the picture, or... people on higher levels that won't get to stand on the battle field and potentially get killed?

So, we can either say that they're making fun of dead soldiers, or are they sending a message stating how they feel about the current state of the "war"?

Hopefully not stating the obvious but that 'body' is not dead (I know and have seen a few as I am sure some of you have too). I don't see this as anything more than humour within a group of airmen that has unfortunately been aired to the world.

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
These are soldiers who have been up to their eyeballs in blood, guts and dying friends for who knows how many deployments each.

They're not soldiers, they're airmen. If they're up to their eyeballs in anything, it's not blood, guts, and dying friends. Probably beer.

Wow.... Please take a moment to consider what you said there. I went back and checked to be sure I'm on solid ground and indeed, I found what I expected to find. The United States Air Force does have people deployed inside Afghanistan and has inside Iraq at both major air bases and forward operating bases all over the place. The AF has shorter tours and better conditions in some ways, but it's on an active combat base like everyone else.

The army has cooks, MP's and computer specialists that rarely leave air conditioned facilities on major U.S. bases like Bagram. Are they somehow less, simply because they would never go outside the base on a combat patrol?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Wow.... Please take a moment to consider what you said there.

Moment taken ... consideration done. Do you have any other requests of me?

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Love me tender by Elvis please

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Wow.... Please take a moment to consider what you said there.

Moment taken ... consideration done. Do you have any other requests of me?

Naww... It just sounded there for a moment like one might think the AF were doing in this war what they have been known to do in wars past. You know, like setting up in Thailand for Vietnam or Saudi Arabia for Gulf I. It is an interesting aspect that the Airmen who might have thought that branch got 'em out of such nastiness as direct service inside the combat zone, got a rude surprise this time around. Oh well.... back to work for me.

Originally posted by 46ACE
With the bulldog logo( I can't read the text);the crossed arms; it might be some kind of a"Unit thang"an "inside joke"or tradition.Plentyof Squadrons have their own "challenge coins" and unit traditions.Some go alltheway back to the"Army air corp days" of WWII.
USAF Munitions troops OF ALL FLAVORS (afsc 461,462,463,464) are familiar with the cry: "AMMO!" "IF YOU AINT "AMMO" YOU AINT SH#t! "Good way to get a "free" beer in an NCo club on an active duty base with a working flight line...
For you Civilians:" I wouldn't worry your pretty little heads about it...It's "tacky"; not indicative of the complete breakdown of military bearing and discipline.

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Damn straight.


I Have a few "coins", including the " IYAAYAS" coins, a few T shirts and other goodies from friends who served and worked over in hell's sandbox.

Even have one that says " Bomb disposal unit.. if you see me running, try and keep up."

I think you may be right about the photo.

Originally posted by StarTraveller
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Love me tender by Elvis please

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hahaha pmsl, great sport buddy

Could it maybe have something to do with the fact that remains of soldiers were ending up in dumps? I think i would be kinda pissed if i found out my brothers were being treated that way.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
These are soldiers who have been up to their eyeballs in blood, guts and dying friends for who knows how many deployments each.

They're not soldiers, they're airmen. If they're up to their eyeballs in anything, it's not blood, guts, and dying friends. Probably beer.

Wow.... Please take a moment to consider what you said there. I went back and checked to be sure I'm on solid ground and indeed, I found what I expected to find. The United States Air Force does have people deployed inside Afghanistan and has inside Iraq at both major air bases and forward operating bases all over the place. The AF has shorter tours and better conditions in some ways, but it's on an active combat base like everyone else.

The army has cooks, MP's and computer specialists that rarely leave air conditioned facilities on major U.S. bases like Bagram. Are they somehow less, simply because they would never go outside the base on a combat patrol?

You've never been in the military, have you? The Air Force has very few front line soldiers, and they often brag themselves about not having to go to combat.

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
These are soldiers who have been up to their eyeballs in blood, guts and dying friends for who knows how many deployments each.

They're not soldiers, they're airmen. If they're up to their eyeballs in anything, it's not blood, guts, and dying friends. Probably beer.

Hey: air force pararescue,forward air controllers,and security folks eat as much mud as the next spec "operators". Granted Not everybody serves at f.o.b. "restrepo"! I take offense to you diminishing Serving Airmen.
Let see YOUR"dd 214"!

Originally posted by Shillbillyjim
Could it maybe have something to do with the fact that remains of soldiers were ending up in dumps? I think i would be kinda pissed if i found out my brothers were being treated that way.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

With the torture/death reference and the crossed arms could it be a "play" on (reference to) the old "addams family" tv show
?? (finger) snap snap

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Actually, as I'd mentioned in the first post there, I had gone back to check and make sure I wasn't working off a guess for my statement about the Air Force presence at mainline combat bases in this war.

The figures I am going by here are from a Congressional Research Services report for congress detailing U.S. forces in Afghanistan as of June, 2008. We had 48,250 U.S. military personnel deployed and of those a whopping 13,400 were from the United States Air Force. The Army had 18,400 and the next runner up was the Marine Corps with 3,700.

True, this isn't 2008...but a great number of men in all branches are fairly long for time in service, so it wasn't that long ago for a fair representation.

No.. I haven't served and I haven't been to the Middle East. Several family have and have given me the impression in chats as well as documentaries I've watched, that Afghanistan doesn't really have a rear area, as such or 'front lines' at all. So...With the Air Force #2 in number only to the Army...and a good part of 50% for overall troops in-country, I'm not sure on suggesting they never see anything like combat. I don't think the enemy lets them off that easy.

CRS Report for Congress: U.S. Forces in Afghanistan - June 15, 2008
(Figure 1, the first chart, shows the breakdown)

Originally posted by AngryAlien
You've never been in the military, have you? The Air Force has very few front line soldiers, and they often brag themselves about not having to go to combat.

The Air Force has absolutely no soldiers, none on the front line, none beyond the FLOT, none in the rear, none wandering around lost on a nonlinear noncontiguous battlefield, none whatsoever. Just like the Army has no Marines, and the Coast Guard has no airmen. Let's all of us get our basic terminology and uniform recognition right first, then we can worry about whose I-respect-the-troops-peen is bigger.

Reminds me of that old song.

Be the first one on your block to have your son come home in a box.

I just cant remember who did it.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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Actually, as I'd mentioned in the first post there, I had gone back to check and make sure I wasn't working off a guess for my statement about the Air Force presence at mainline combat bases in this war.

The figures I am going by here are from a Congressional Research Services report for congress detailing U.S. forces in Afghanistan as of June, 2008. We had 48,250 U.S. military personnel deployed and of those a whopping 13,400 were from the United States Air Force. The Army had 18,400 and the next runner up was the Marine Corps with 3,700.

True, this isn't 2008...but a great number of men in all branches are fairly long for time in service, so it wasn't that long ago for a fair representation.

No.. I haven't served and I haven't been to the Middle East. Several family have and have given me the impression in chats as well as documentaries I've watched, that Afghanistan doesn't really have a rear area, as such or 'front lines' at all. So...With the Air Force #2 in number only to the Army...and a good part of 50% for overall troops in-country, I'm not sure on suggesting they never see anything like combat. I don't think the enemy lets them off that easy.

CRS Report for Congress: U.S. Forces in Afghanistan - June 15, 2008
(Figure 1, the first chart, shows the breakdown)

I will reiterate that you have no idea what you're talking about. The fact is, the Air Force does not go on patrols, seeking out enemy fighters. They have some assault capability, but they are not an infantry ground force. Sure they get shot at in Afghanistan, but that doesn't fit the description "These are soldiers who have been up to their eyeballs in blood, guts and dying friends for who knows how many deployments each".