The Isaiah 9:10 prophecy: Is U.S. under God's judgment?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

That would take a small book to put my quotes in context.
Saying, "You worship Satan" could actually be appropriate if you were addressing someone who claims to worship Satan. The problem is how you say something like that while the person you are addressing claims to worship God.
On the other hand, I see no appropriate use of a sentence where you claim disagreeing with yourself is equal to going against Christ. If you think there is, then maybe you should do this exercise but write, "I believe someone who I read the posts of on a forum is correct to say that going against him is going against Christ." See if people think you are ok by having that opinion.
Put the extra information that you are pretty sure it is not the Pope anonymously posting on the internet.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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On the other hand, I see no appropriate use of a sentence where you claim disagreeing with yourself is equal to going against Christ.

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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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I think our judgment is long overdue and the only thing keeping God from judging us is our support for Israel. He promised to curse those who cursed her, and to bless those who blessed her. The day the US joins with the rest of the world in condemning Israel will be the day God judges us for our sins.

If you are correct on this, It will be interesting to see what pans out in regards to what could be the currently unfolding Gog Magog War. Russia has just tested 2 nuclear missiles (Source) while the U.S. has doubled defense aid to Israel for the next year, approving 237 million for anti-missile defense systems. Link

Originally posted by DarkKnight21

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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I think our judgment is long overdue and the only thing keeping God from judging us is our support for Israel. He promised to curse those who cursed her, and to bless those who blessed her. The day the US joins with the rest of the world in condemning Israel will be the day God judges us for our sins.

If you are correct on this, It will be interesting to see what pans out in regards to what could be the currently unfolding Gog Magog War. Russia has just tested 2 nuclear missiles (Source) while the U.S. has doubled defense aid to Israel for the next year, approving 237 million for anti-missile defense systems. Link

Yeah, from what i've read in the bible this stuff heating up in the middle east is definately look like Gog and Magog. Oldcorp is working on linking the current world events with Revelations to show the proof for his web presentation.

As i look around me everyday and watch the news i can see this world tearing itself apart and it's only going to get worse. We all know were in the first tribulation and the first year of it has most likely passed. We will know the proof of this if the temple gets rebuilt in 2 and a half years. The jewish priests have already fabricated their raiments and vestitures and are right now practicing the rights of sacrifice. I think Israel may be one of the 2 witnesses, America may be the other. Its as plausible as the witnesses being Enoch and Elijah theory which i have entertained and still think is a possibility. Scripture does support it being Enoch and Elijah as they are the only 2 men who have never tasted death.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

We all know were in the first tribulation and the first year of it has most likely passed. We will know the proof of this if the temple gets rebuilt in 2 and a half years.

The Rapture and Gog-Magog must come before Daniel's 70th week can begin. When Christ is handed the sealed scroll, even before He opens the first seal on said scroll, the raptured church is in heaven worshiping Him.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


I am not really sure. From what i read there are 2 tribulations. The first tribulation it seems is the first 3 and a half years and the second tribulation ends up being the great tribulation in the second 3 and a half years because thats when God's wrath goes into overdrive. I concede i may be wrong but from what i read it appears the rapture comes around the time the temple gets rebuilt and senior A/C comes out of his closet.

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No my friend, there is only 1 "tribulation". It's the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week. The rapture must happen first because when Christ is handed the sealed scroll the church is already present in heaven worshiping the Lamb in the throne room.

The "Gog Magog War" theory comes from Nero being identified in Revelation by the giving of the "number of his name", 666, which is the "number of a man".
Nero was murdered by his imperial guards, so that ruined it for him playing out as the anti-christ, so no problem since we have the place where it could be interpreted as the anti-christ coming back from the dead.
The Romans were never quite able to replicate the feat of Alexander by taking over the East despite numerous costly wars against Parthia, so they were like the scary boogeyman.
The post-death-of-Nero theory was that he was going to join (after coming back to life) the sort of nebulous "Easterners" and march their armies into the Roman West and create a huge tribulation there.

"The last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week" comes from a prophecy of Jeremiah writing in the time of the Babylonian captivity that the David-like kingdom of Israel would be restored in 70 years.
That did not happen, but what did happen was the fall of Babylon and the return of the Judean captives in 50 years but under the rule of the Persians. Once Persia fell to Alexander, it was under the Seleucid rule of the nominal Greek Empire, still without having an actual king or kingdom.
To fix this apparent problem with the lack of fulfillment, during the rule of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, an old Canaanite legendary figure of Daniel was resurrected and cast in the role of one of the Exiles who fixed the old Jeremiah prophecy by saying it was really 70 sevens, or "weeks" of years, not 70 years, thus putting the time for fulfillment in their own time, which was in the Maccabean Wars.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
The "Gog Magog War" theory comes from Nero being identified in Revelation by the giving of the "number of his name", 666, which is the "number of a man".
Nero was murdered by his imperial guards, so that ruined it for him playing out as the anti-christ, so no problem since we have the place where it could be interpreted as the anti-christ coming back from the dead.
The Romans were never quite able to replicate the feat of Alexander by taking over the East despite numerous costly wars against Parthia, so they were like the scary boogeyman.
The post-death-of-Nero theory was that he was going to join (after coming back to life) the sort of nebulous "Easterners" and march their armies into the Roman West and create a huge tribulation there.

Nero isn't identified in Revelation. For one, it was written after he died, and for two Nero isn't "THE" antichrist spoken of by John. According to end-times events Gog=Magog comes before the Tribulation. And it's my opinion that the Gog-Magog war brings about the conditions necessary for the antichrist to emerge.

reply to post by jmdewey60

"The last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week" comes from a prophecy of Jeremiah writing in the time of the Babylonian captivity that the David-like kingdom of Israel would be restored in 70 years.

No, it comes from Daniel. Kinda why it's identified as Daniel's 70th Week. And that's not the message Gabriel gave to Daniel. Gabriel told Daniel 70 weeks were given to his people for something else. 69 weeks happened with the death and resurrection of Christ. We're now in the church dispensation, (which was hidden from the OT prophets), when the church dispensation is complete, Daniel's 70th week will begin.

@ NOTurTypical

Those are just versions 1.02 and 1.03 or 4 (or later) of the post-death-of-Nero theory, and the post-Maccabean Wars theory.

reply to post by DarkKnight21

I just finished listening to this for the second time ... might listen to it again.

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Interesting video, thanks for posting that!

The evidence is certainly very convincing with the connections between buildings at ground zero and the sycamore trees. The facts are there for all to see.

Originally posted by DarkKnight21
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Interesting video, thanks for posting that!

The evidence is certainly very convincing with the connections between buildings at ground zero and the sycamore trees. The facts are there for all to see.

Yes, all the elements are there...
...even that enemies are used as vessels of judgment...
...including the idea that judgment is a call to repentance and salvation.

Definitely. What I find most interesting and what I did not know before watching your video was that ground zero was the site of America's dedication to God, and the chapel was the only thing standing after the attacks, because of the sycamore tree.

Originally posted by DarkKnight21
Definitely. What I find most interesting and what I did not know before watching your video was that ground zero was the site of America's dedication to God, and the chapel was the only thing standing after the attacks, because of the sycamore tree.

Amazing eh?

reply to post by Soapusmaximus

we civilized nations are the nuclear watchdogs, our foreign policy has always been based on this usually 100% of the time. The destructive atomic energy weapons are obsolete... they have the neutron bomb now which leaves the buildings standing and just eradicates living organism's in a precision low yield blast. Not to mention bio-weapons either...

mostly we only have to worry about the middle east being unstable and on a lunatic fringe or India and Pakistan blowing eachother out of the water presently.

speak English or die!

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by DarkKnight21
Definitely. What I find most interesting and what I did not know before watching your video was that ground zero was the site of America's dedication to God, and the chapel was the only thing standing after the attacks, because of the sycamore tree.

Amazing eh?

Not amazing enough for some folks unfortunately. "Show us the proof!!!!!!"

I can only imagine all the bull# Jesus had to put up with.

Originally posted by DarkKnight21

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by DarkKnight21
Definitely. What I find most interesting and what I did not know before watching your video was that ground zero was the site of America's dedication to God, and the chapel was the only thing standing after the attacks, because of the sycamore tree.

Amazing eh?

Not amazing enough for some folks unfortunately. "Show us the proof!!!!!!"

I can only imagine all the bull# Jesus had to put up with.

We are all like that without the Spirit.

What I found particularly amazing is how many people trotted out the same or related symbols in ignorance...
...we are all acting out our own destruction without the Spirit.