What's going on in Copernicus crater?

reply to post by wmd_2008



As you will be aware, I have used the LROC views in another thread so I am quite aware of the resolution.

I have just spent the last two hours examinig the LROC images of the area in question and I can tell you there are some very interesting views that definitely contain many structures. In fact, there are many towns in the views if you would care to look properly. Try using 1m/pixel setting as it's far better for viewing than the 0.5m/pixel setting. Also, there are many artistic architectural items and some quite large statues to observe.

There is no question of the thread being a joke. If anything, the joke is on you as you are acting like a troll trying to throw a spanner in the works. Do you act like this with other members?

reply to post by arianna


Just quoting what you said thats the problem when you LIE and make things up you soon forget what you said and shoot yourself inthe foot as for you logic that something will show at at 1m/pixel but is not as good as 0.5mtr/pixel
towns , towns what a joke

reply to post by arianna


How can you say this to me days ago:

I will address and answer you questions later when I have time.

..then answer and reply to everyone else afterwards?

Why ignore my two or three posts of questions a few pages and 8 days back?

Do you have no answers as to:
what you think moon-men and animals would breathe in the vacuum of space,
or if they have anti-freeze for bodily fluids in the deep cold of space,
or what your qualifications for looking for alien civilizations are,
or how you became an expert on their "art oriented culture",
or why you think a lighter area on an image is electric light?

reply to post by Chamberf=6



Chamberf=6, I am not ignoring you although it would seem that way.

Pease ask one question at a time and I will give you an honest answer. If I do not know the answer to a question I will tell you I do not know the answer but I will do my best to find an answer for you.

reply to post by arianna


The questions are in the above post, line by line.

Just doing a random search of the lunar surface using Act-React Quick Map function I came across something quite remarkable that I would like other members to check out before possible removal. The object would appear to be a large structure.

In the associated image (M175355139RC) the object is not showing or has been airbrushed out.

I would be interested to read your comments as to what you think the object could be.

The coordinates are as follows:

Lat: -43.44772 Long: -11.53082

Originally posted by arianna
I would be interested to read your comments as to what you think the object could be.

More rocks, just like all your pictures in this thread!

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by arianna
I would be interested to read your comments as to what you think the object could be.

More rocks, just like all your pictures in this thread!

spoor, You have to be joking or you haven't examined the area closely.


Shown below are two images of the structural anomaly.

This is definitely NOT a rock. It's completely out of keeping with the geology of the surrounding area.








Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
what you think moon-men and animals would breathe in the vacuum of space,
or if they have anti-freeze for bodily fluids in the deep cold of space,

There are many facial representations formed by groups of structures and human-looking statues on the lunar surface. The scientific world tell us that there is no atmosphere on the moon and the only people who have been in the atmosphere are the Apollo astronauts. The problem here is that the astronauts had no idea whether there is an atmosphere or what the atmosphere comprised of as they were wearing space suits and air was provided by respirators.

The object detail I have viewed in the images returned from the 70s Apollo images and the lunar orbiter is very convincing to make one believe that a large life presence exists on the moon. It is possible that these 'people' are breathing a mixture of gasses which is provided by specialist plants and piped underground to their structures. Whether they used repirators in the building of their structures I would not know. I believe the cultivation and growing of food is probably carried out underground by artificial lighting. If they have animals, these are also probably reared and looked after underground. I also think there is a large transport infrastructure underground as there are no recognizable transport routes to be seen on the surface.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
why you think a lighter area on an image is electric light?

There are many areas on the moon which display a high degree of luminosity with white streaks stretching outwards from the center. There is only one reasonable explanation for this light-scatter phenomenon. The intensly bright areas have to be major population areas which appear to be constantly illuminated. The source of the power for this artificial lighting has to be provided by electricity.

I have provided some images below of such an area.

The coordinates are: Lat: 9.91985 Long: 109.89333

The first image is a normal view.

In the second image I have reduced the brightness to show the source and intensity of the light.

Larger versions can be seen at the Direct views below.








Direct views:

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Originally posted by arianna

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
what you think moon-men and animals would breathe in the vacuum of space,
or if they have anti-freeze for bodily fluids in the deep cold of space,

There are many facial representations formed by groups of structures and human-looking statues on the lunar surface. The scientific world tell us that there is no atmosphere on the moon and the only people who have been in the atmosphere are the Apollo astronauts. The problem here is that the astronauts had no idea whether there is an atmosphere or what the atmosphere comprised of as they were wearing space suits and air was provided by respirators.

The object detail I have viewed in the images returned from the 70s Apollo images and the lunar orbiter is very convincing to make one believe that a large life presence exists on the moon. It is possible that these 'people' are breathing a mixture of gasses which is provided by specialist plants and piped underground to their structures. Whether they used repirators in the building of their structures I would not know. I believe the cultivation and growing of food is probably carried out underground by artificial lighting. If they have animals, these are also probably reared and looked after underground. I also think there is a large transport infrastructure underground as there are no recognizable transport routes to be seen on the surface.

:face palm:

You do realize that if there was any significant atmosphere on the moon, it would look quite different than it does, would not have the terrain looking as it does. It's called "weather" and even if a body has an atmosphere that is made up of other gasses than what we have here, you will still have weather of some sort: winds from cooling and heating of those gases, which would be blowing lunar dust around.
Even Mars with it's very light atmosphere that it has produces dust storms that are visible even with a modest telescope here on Earth.

The astronauts would have known quite well that there was an atmosphere on the moon if it was in any significant amount as everything would have reacted differently while they were there: dust on the surface when they stepped, dug and moved things around. Opening the hatch to the LM would have been a problem as when they had to vent their air to open it up, their instruments would have shown quiet well that they were not in a near vacuum.

reply to post by arianna


The area you are showing in your pictures and claiming that it's a illuminated habitat, is only about 150 meters wide.....so only a couple of football fields......here's a picture of it from LROC:




looks like different colored rock strata to me.

Realize also that if they were illuminated, those areas would be quite visible here on Earth during a New Moon, or when any other part of the visible side of the moon is in shadow.

Except they are not. Because they are not illuminated. So no, your explanation is not the only one, and I'm afraid doesn't really work either.

reply to post by eriktheawful


I have provided one possible explanation for the intense light-scatter which according to your post does not fit the bill.

What explanation for the light-scatter areas can you provide?

Originally posted by arianna
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

I have provided one possible explanation for the intense light-scatter which according to your post does not fit the bill.

What explanation for the light-scatter areas can you provide?

Okay first, they are not "light" scatter areas. Those areas are not producing light of any kind. They are different types of rocks and lunar soil that reflect light differently because of the colors they are:

Moon Surface Geology

In many of these areas, meteor impacts open up and literally splash the lighter colored material that is below the surface all over the place, known as ejecta.

You can even do this yourself:
Get a box that is cut low, a bag of bleached flour and some dark looking sand that you can get from a crafts store.
Fill the box with the flower first, the carefully add a thin layer of the dark sand over the white flour. Take a small pebble or marble and start dropping them in the box and watch what happens.

I've photographed the moon both with just cameras on a tripod and through my telescopes....there are no lights illuminating from the surface of the moon. Anyone can confirm this with only their own eyes, and no special equipment needed.

Originally posted by arianna
In the associated image (M175355139RC) the object is not showing or has been airbrushed out.

Are you talking about this?

reply to post by arianna

First, thanks for finally getting around to my questions I asked a week and a half ago.

There is only one reasonable explanation for this light-scatter phenomenon. The intensly bright areas have to be major population areas which appear to be constantly illuminated. The source of the power for this artificial lighting has to be provided by electricity.

"Only one reasonable explanation"? And the explanation you offer, you consider to be reasonable?


As eriktheawful has said the moon does not emit or produce light on its own it only reflects light . There are no artificially illuminated areas visible during new moons or by telescope viewing or satellite imagery.

Then you say you even know what enregy source they use to do this illuminating of these population centers...electricity. IF there were people living on the moon ( there aren't) and IF they had artificial lighting on all the time (they don't), you still wouldn't be able to tell what energy source they were using to power those lights just by looking at some photographs.

The scientific world tell us that there is no atmosphere on the moon and the only people who have been in the atmosphere are the Apollo astronauts. The problem here is that the astronauts had no idea whether there is an atmosphere or what the atmosphere comprised of as they were wearing space suits and air was provided by respirators.

As to whether there is an atmosphere on the moon, it is entirely possible to determine if there is one or not. Simple how the light reflects off the surface can tell you many things.
And once again, as eriktheawful has said, many things would behave differently on the moon if it had an atmosphere.

Plus, for a body to hold an atmosphere around it, that body must have enough mass to create enough gravity to hold the atmosphere around it. The moon has very little gravity, and if it was possible to hold any sort of atmosphere it would be very thin and shallow, easily blown away by the solar wind because the moon does not have a magnetosphere.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by arianna
In the associated image (M175355139RC) the object is not showing or has been airbrushed out.

Are you talking about this?

Yes ArMaP, that is the object. The peculiar thing is that I checked all over the upper location in the strip image and could not find it. I have to admit this may be a slip-up on my part due to the different orientation.

The object is displaying features that could be antenna so it may not be a permament fixture.

Originally posted by wmd_2008

This thread is a real joke now

now?¿

did you miss the part about the tiny martians?

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

Originally posted by wmd_2008

This thread is a real joke now

now?¿

did you miss the part about the tiny martians?

They were so so tiny I forgot about them

Originally posted by arianna


The object is displaying features that could be antenna so it may not be a permament fixture.

NO that image is showing the classic problems of artifacts and zooming to much