What's going on in Copernicus crater?

reply to post by arianna

I have offered to answer questions but i would prefer that people ask them one at a time.

If these "structures" are even hard for you to distinguish after you've pored over the images for hours and manipulated them, how are you so sure they are really there?

Personal experience?
Conviction?
What?

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Yes, again, more than one question mark but yes, again, all part of the SAME question.

For the 4th time. Maybe you will answer me finally. Not gonna hold my breath, though.

reply to post by arianna

The 3-D images posted above have not been manipulated or enhanced. The process used to produce the anaglyphs

The process used to make them 3D IS manipulating them.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by arianna

 

I have offered to answer questions but i would prefer that people ask them one at a time.

Well since I have asked the same questions several times, I will try them one by one for whatever reason.

You have mentioned many times in this thread that you "know what to look for".

What training do you have to look for extra-terrestrial civilizations?

Where did you train for that? On your own?

===Yes I know there are three question marks (gasp), but they are all part of the SAME question.===

Yes, I know what to look for. The recogntion process as far as the Mars and lunar images are concerned is self-taught over many years, just like ArMaP who has built up a knowledge of computer programming and is self-taught in this field.

You tell me, what training do scientists have to look for extraterrestrial civilizations?

The answer is that they have not had any. They learn as they go along just like I have learnt from viewing and examining the images.

Does that answer your questions?

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by arianna

 

The 3-D images posted above have not been manipulated or enhanced. The process used to produce the anaglyphs

The process used to make them 3D IS manipulating them.

Stop talking a load of rubbish. Producing an anaglyph from a stereo pair is a creative process.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by arianna

 

I have offered to answer questions but i would prefer that people ask them one at a time.

If these "structures" are even hard for you to distinguish after you've pored over the images for hours and manipulated them, how are you so sure they are really there?

Personal experience?
Conviction?
What?

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Yes, again, more than one question mark but yes, again, all part of the SAME question.

For the 4th time. Maybe you will answer me finally. Not gonna hold my breath, though.

edit on 1/18/2012 by Chamberf=6 because: (no reason given)

Yes, personal experience and a conviction to find out the truth. Isn't that what we all want to know - the truth of what is really there?

Originally posted by arianna
Stop talking a load of rubbish. Producing an anaglyph from a stereo pair is a creative process.

This whole thread is a creative process.

Something from nothing.

reply to post by draknoir2

This whole thread is a creative process.
Something from nothing.

Exactly.

Nothing as far as a civilization is there, not to mention tiny societies and buildings.

Just rocks. And some delirium thrown on top.

reply to post by arianna


You have mentioned many times in this thread that you "know what to look for"

You say "you know" because

The recogntion process as far as the Mars and lunar images are concerned is self-taught over many years

Then you say scientists don't know what to look for.

They learn as they go along just like I have learnt from viewing and examining the images.

Yet the scientists use facts, and critical thinking to aid their search along with many precision instruments.

You use your eyes and imagination, no?

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by arianna

 

I have offered to answer questions but i would prefer that people ask them one at a time.

Do you have anything peer reviewed besides ATS?

Or just yourself?

reply to post by arianna

Stop talking a load of rubbish.

Only if you do too.

Rubbish is saying photos of rocks are really photos of an apparently huge and widespread civilzation of tiny beings and the tiny structures they built.

Obviously, I can see objects in these images that you cannot, so I have to accept that many will be skeptical but as I already stated, just wait and you will see. The evidence that will conclusively prove my research and the revelation that very tiny people exist on Mars will be confirmed by the scientific community probably much sooner than you think..

Yes, I know what to look for. The recogntion process as far as the Mars and lunar images are concerned is self-taught over many years, just like ArMaP who has built up a knowledge of computer programming and is self-taught in this field. You tell me, what training do scientists have to look for extraterrestrial civilizations? The answer is that they have not had any. They learn as they go along just like I have learnt from viewing and examining the images. Does that answer your questions?

I was at least hoping to see some questionable images from this thread when it started and have something to chew on with a logical explanation of what the OP was trying to get across to the readers. I read the OP's statements as insinuating they were doing serious scientific research with years of knowledge and experience.

The OP was quick to state they had contacted scientist and one in the field of astrobiology. The OP claimed to be trained in science from this statement:

Due to my previous experience in archaeology and anthropology.

The OP claims over 50 years of photographic experience to include aerial reconnaissance but can't understand image manipulation.

Then we finally learn that the OP was name and fame dropping and was self taught. Apparently the OP is anti-scientific as they are constantly downgrading the scientific community and anyone else that questions their methods. So the OP is claiming to do scientific research with images all the while beating up the scientific method with insults and belittling those that are really trained in their field and not self taught.

I know of no scientist that would try so hard to get laymen and professional alike to see something that isn't there instead of producing a logical debate but the OP post more images with no details and claim a major scientific find and the rest of the world is blind.

I like to read fantasy novels but I never lived one before.

Originally posted by arianna
The evidence that will conclusively prove my research and the revelation that very tiny people exist on Mars will be confirmed by the scientific community probably much sooner than you think..

That would be awesome. I think we should just get past all the mundane talk of image processing and move on with the conversation. I know that I do not have any hope in seeing them with the current technology so I will have to rely on your ability. How big would these beings be? Do you think that they have traveled outside of mars? Do you think they are advanced technically? I know that you might think that I am not serious, but do you think they pose a threat? Would it be unethical to capture them and exploit them? use them as pets? Could this happen in our lifetime?

Originally posted by arianna
just wait and you will see. The evidence that will conclusively prove my research and the revelation that very tiny people exist on Mars will be confirmed by the scientific community probably much sooner than you think..

How do you know that?

How do you know it will be soon?

Is it because it must happen or you risk admitting to yourself you are wrong? (oh heaven forbid)
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Obviously, I can see objects in these images that you cannot

Do you also see "objects" others cannot in day to day life as well?

If so, see a doctor.

reply to post by arianna


Sorry, but my above post broke one of your "rules".

I asked more than one question at a time again.

Damn me.

I hope I didn't over tax and confuse you too much.
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Anyway here:

Obviously, I can see objects in these images that you cannot

Do you also see "objects" others cannot in day to day life as well?

If so, see a doctor.

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


Hmmmmmmm......now, there's a thought! This could be fun:

Would it be unethical to capture them and exploit them? use them as pets?

Kind of like that old "Twilight Zone" episode, eh?


Enjoy:






Oh, and not to forget the darker side of Humanity, when the shoe is on the other foot (shudder):



(Follow links to Parts 2 & 3)......:

Part 2

Part 3

reply to post by ProudBird


Yes. Those were very good videos and very relavant to what I am getting at. NASA most likely knows about this and if the reports of secret manned missions to mars are true, then they most likey they have "captured" them as well. I imagine that they are studying them. Maybe they are treating us like gods. Who knows.

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

Originally posted by arianna
The evidence that will conclusively prove my research and the revelation that very tiny people exist on Mars will be confirmed by the scientific community probably much sooner than you think..

That would be awesome. I think we should just get past all the mundane talk of image processing and move on with the conversation. I know that I do not have any hope in seeing them with the current technology so I will have to rely on your ability. How big would these beings be? Do you think that they have traveled outside of mars? Do you think they are advanced technically? I know that you might think that I am not serious, but do you think they pose a threat? Would it be unethical to capture them and exploit them? use them as pets? Could this happen in our lifetime?

Z, I have to say your post is very interesting. I agree with you that what has been said about image manipulation is a waste of space and is really irrelevant and any discussion about the same should be confined to a seperate thread.

There is only one image available that I know of that really gives us some idea of what these very tiny people look like and I posted an example earlier in the thread. I estimate the tiny people stand no more than 1.6mm tall and most of their structures are 3 to 5mm in height, although some structures have greater height.

Do I think the tiny people have travelled away from Mars? This is good question and its a valid possibility. I believe in ancient times the mature martians were forced into a situation where they had to leave their planet for the nearest available place of refuge which was this planet or 'our' Moon. The reason for a mass exodus may have have been due to an impending catastrophe and it is quite possible that the tiny people could have hitched a lift onboard any of the spacecraft.

From some of the images I have examined of the lunar surface and Mars it is possible that they are technically advanced but I do not think they pose any threat to people on Earth and if found they should not be captured or exploited in any way. As to their size, what interests me is whether they evolved naturally or is their size the result of a genetic experiment that went terribly wrong. I believe they have the right to exist in the universe just as we have the right. Could this happen in our lifetime? If everything goes according to plan with Curiosity and NASA do not cover anything up I think what will be found on this mission will be of great interest.

The Phoenix images shown below are sectional views of the 20mm plate at the front of the excavation scoop which was shown earlier in the thread. I know some members are going to be highly critical about these images but I am prepared for that. In my estimation, what the images show is not dirt or soil, but the debris of tiny structures and tiny beings that were scooped up from the excavation trench. On the left-hand section of the plate, besides the many faces which can be seen all along the plate, there are what I believe to be two complete tiny figures. In the right-hand section there is the profile of what could be the face of a gorilla which could be a statue that was scooped up with the debris. Take note that some of the tiny heads appear to have an unusual cranial protrusion.







Direct views.

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So once again only the OP is correct as they went from this:

This person seems to think that devine intervention is responsible for what he claims. How would he know about the tiny people on Mars when the PanCam and Navigation cameras are unable to resolve the tiny beings due to their very small size. The only objects the cameras can resolve are tiny structures. There is no evidence showing in the video that relates to tiny life-forms or tiny structures. All that can be seen are the tracks of the rover and another view showing rock formations. In my opinion the video shows us nothing that relates to what this person is claiming.

to this:

On the left-hand section of the plate, besides the many faces which can be seen all along the plate, there are what I believe to be two complete tiny figures. In the right-hand section there is the profile of what could be the face of a gorilla which could be a statue that was scooped up with the debris. Take note that some of the tiny heads appear to have an unusual cranial protrusion.

The video could no way capture tiny martians but the OP can from their own image research. What skills and perception God gave this one person on the Earth. I think NASA just found a future food source if the OP is correct. (M&M's mini-Martians). I'm begining to see Walmarts in all of these images and that blonde in the parking lot looks lost.

yh looks like lunar surface and lots of shadows, cant really see much else im afraid.