CERN Announces Important Press Release - TODAY, Dec. 13th

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

Okay, I’ll call you cynical then.

D'Oh!

IRM

Any live feeds or streaming feeds of this??

I'd love to watch this but I don't have television.

UPDATE:

The main conclusion is that the Standard Model Higgs boson, if it exists, is most likely to have a mass constrained to the range 116-130 GeV by the ATLAS experiment, and 115-127 GeV by CMS. Tantalising hints have been seen by both experiments in this mass region, but these are not yet strong enough to claim a discovery.

press.web.cern.ch...

I wonder how forthcoming they are actually being...

What I mean I guess is.. maybe they did find it and they know they found it, but they need to find out what ramifications that actually has??

Sorry I haven't gone over any of the information really..

But in all honesty the simple fact that this is public leads me to believe that the military is way beyond what they're doing and perhaps this some how ties into research that is military related.

I think they're literally going to release that they've shortened the energies that the Higgs Particle can have and it corresponds with the theoretical approach so far. I don't think they're going to release that they've found it...because they haven't...just that we are very very close to finding out the truth.

reply to post by BlackPoison94


Well BP we shall see very soon.

In this field even no-news is actually news, there is no such thing as a mistake in particle physics only an advancement of knowledge..right ?

Higgs Field or String Theory hmmm ??

Cosmic..

reply to post by PuRe EnErGy


Random off-topic baseless speculative derailment attempt FTW?

The potential discovery of the fundamental particle that gives all matter its mass is more than exciting enough without throwing random tinfoil hat nonsense into it.

An event showing four muons (red tracks) from a proton-proton collision in ATLAS. This event is consistent with two Z particles decaying into two muons each. Such events are produced by Standard Model processes without Higgs particles. They are also a possible signature for Higgs particle production, but many events must be analysed together in order to tell if there is a Higgs signal.

In a seminar held at CERN today, the ATLAS and CMS experiments presented the status of their searches for the Standard Model Higgs boson. Their results are based on the analysis of considerably more data than those presented at the summer conferences, sufficient to make significant progress in the search for the Higgs boson, but not enough to make any conclusive statement on the existence or non-existence of the elusive Higgs. The main conclusion is that the Standard Model Higgs boson, if it exists, is most likely to have a mass constrained to the range 116-130 GeV by the ATLAS experiment, and 115-127 GeV by CMS. Tantalising hints have been seen by both experiments in this mass region, but these are not yet strong enough to claim a discovery.

this particle will change nothing...tell me something about antigravity, zero-point energy, the core of the earth, what is the sun etc etc - the list is long...this particle is just physics and physics depend on our earthly knowledge and to say at least thats very vague...

reply to post by Hessdalen


I don't think what we know about particle physics is very vague, over 65 years ago they made a bomb, it works!

In a nutshell...

They announced they're still searching for it.

Don't get too excited now.

reply to post by Illustronic


65 years - 150 years physics...4 generations...oh yes, everything we know is absolut solid...a lot of this stuff is called THEORY...no proof, just well (or cloaked) concepts...in XXX years we discover something that will flip the system...like the earth is flat and the sun is the centre of the universe...oh what is the universe...again, just theories..how about graviton...so much we dont know

Originally posted by Nustle
I recall recently reading about an experiemnt at CERN involving subatomic particles in which they exceeded the speed of light, which if indeed true, and not an error within the testing equipment would massively open up our understanding of physics and what is actually achieveable.

Relativity permits the hypothetical existence of particles called tachyons which come into existence already traveling faster than light. In the formalism of the special theory of relativity, tachyons have an imaginary rest mass.

Unfortunately, no one knows what an "imaginary rest mass" means in physical terms, or what the interaction forces would be between tachyons and the ordinary particles of real rest mass out of which we are made.

Originally posted by needlenight

It would also force us to doubt all of Einsteins theories.
2nd

I dunno about that. The important thing about light is that it's the universal constant. No matter where it is - dead of space, earth, jupiter, the sun, the moon, air, water - it's always moving the same speed. That's the important thing, and Einstein is right about that. The only thing that has any doubt cast upon it is that it's the fastest thing in the universe; but just because something can be faster, doesn't mean it always is. Neutrinos CAN travel faster, but they don't always.

Also note that in theoretical physics, electrons move between shells instantaneously. That is, they do not move, but simply appear and reappear in different locations within the cloud. You can't go any faster than instant.

Originally posted by Hessdalen
reply to post by Illustronic

 

65 years - 150 years physics...4 generations...oh yes, everything we know is absolut solid...a lot of this stuff is called THEORY...no proof, just well (or cloaked) concepts...in XXX years we discover something that will flip the system...like the earth is flat and the sun is the centre of the universe...oh what is the universe...again, just theories..how about graviton...so much we dont know

edit on 13-12-2011 by Hessdalen because: mindcontrol

seriously guy. read up on the word "theory".you may actually learn something. no one is saying things can't be usurped but a new discovery but they can become more refined. we didnt throw newton out with the bathwater nor would we do that with einstein. both of those mens "theory's" are extremely usable and have real world benefits. im pretty sure it would be a bittersweet victory to be the guy who gets to prove einstein "wrong".

I like this blog from the "eat my knickers" man, Prof Jim Al-Khalili.

www.jimal-khalili.com...

and I like this,

sciencefocus.com...

A bubble universe, and not the only one. So, the speed of light in a bubble?

Sounds like a PR event to justify future funding. I'd suspect they do something like this a couple of times a year. If they just wanted to share information there are other ways. I think these things are always about publicity and funding.

reply to post by Blaine91555


You`ve got a good point there as this huge particle colider costed (and still is costing) a lot of money thus they have to justify the project worth it

would you guys prefer if they were just to stonewall the public? "yeah, yeah. we'll tell you when we've found it. "

im pretty most of you guys would because then it would drive your imaginations of hidden free energy and ufo antigravity tech. well, more so than usual. can't win with you guys.

reply to post by homeskillet



Who said anything negative against it? Just pointing out the obvious. Money is needed and you have to involve the public if you want the money to keep coming in. It makes perfect sense they would hold these things often.

I'd rather see the money go to more useful projects like the Space Programs that have given us so much over the years, but understanding the Universe around us is important also.

You just complaining to be complaining? Too much coffee? Smile and your day will go better.