Ron Paul gets all eyes during Saurday Night Fight & DOMINATES [VIDEO] (of the bloodshed)

Mr.Paul (who I dearly respect btw) is like a creature from another planet. How can he honestly believe that government can exist without limiting freedom, without imposing certain things. It has to in order to exist. Besides we live in a time with so many problems. Problems that require cooperation on a global level. Things that the constitution has no answers for. The constitution in my opinion is an outdated document, hardly applicable to these times. It has no answer to problems such as bio-genetics, abortion, global warming, environmental destruction, euthanasia and how to deal with that.

He wishes to return to a model (liberal capitalism, free market, no intervention etc.) that in my opinion has lead to the very situation we are in.

reply to post by dadgad


Your making it seem like if Paul were to become president that he would legalize murder.
Fact is we have way too many laws and the government should not have to hold the hands of adults. Less government is the way this country NEEDS to go.

Originally posted by Salamandy
reply to post by dadgad

 

Your making it seem like if Paul were to become president that he would legalize murder.
Fact is we have way too many laws and the government should not have to hold the hands of adults. Less government is the way this country NEEDS to go.

I respectfully disagree.

That doesn't mean I approve the current situation. In fact I am very pessimistic about it. All I am saying is that the very system he advocates, this original model, lead to the situation we are in. I see no going back.

reply to post by dadgad


I think you and I disagree on the type of model that got us into trouble in the first place. Currently Government regulations are too many, too arbitrary (and therefore biased), and very insulting to life lib and the p of h

I think he can lead us on the right track at least. Nothing is a guarantee, he is just a man with a plan. But unless you plan on not voting to get your point across, what other choices do we have?

More so than ever the candidates he is up against are complete see through imbeciles.

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Originally posted by Salamandy
reply to post by dadgad

 

I think you and I disagree on the type of model that got us into trouble in the first place. Currently Government regulations are too many, too arbitrary (and therefore biased), and very insulting to life lib and the p of h

I think he can lead us on the right track at least. Nothing is a guarantee, he is just a man with a plan. But unless you plan on not voting to get your point across, what other choices do we have?

More so than ever the candidates he is up against are complete see through imbeciles.

edit on 13-12-2011 by Salamandy because: (no reason given)

I actually and that may surprise you support Obama most of all candidates. Certainly I acknowledge that he hasn't kept to many promises. Yet besides that I share many of his viewpoints. He is a very intelligent man, a modern man, I like that.

But I am no fool. As far as I am concerned no president can save this mess, especially in this system in which a president has its hand tied. We are too far down the hill.

In any case. Let it be clear. From all the Republican candidates Paul is in my opinion without doubt the most consistent, honest and decent. I just completely disagree with him.

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Hold the phone just a minute...

Do you literally mean like right at this very moment?

Why not last night in the reactor 4 Fukushima thread?

Namaste

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I voted for Obama because he promised change. In a way he delivered some change, certainly in the intelligence category compared to our previous president at the time.

I could just be falling for the propaganda but I feel Paul might actually make some noticeable changes and isn't just in it for the money and power.

Originally posted by Salamandy
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I voted for Obama because he promised change. In a way he delivered some change, certainly in the intelligence category compared to our previous president at the time.

I could just be falling for the propaganda but I feel Paul might actually make some noticeable changes and isn't just in it for the money and power.

What Paul desires simply won't happen. First of all, the corporate power scheme is way to powerful and concentrated. Secondly he would actually help them, since he wants to hand out everything to the market.

Competition won't solve anything. They will win. They always win.

I so love Ron Paul, I think He's our best hope and I voted for Obama.
Obama has been a continuation of the prior administrations with the added benefit of now I pay more for Healthcare. Complete failure IMO or success if your TPTB.

Over the summer I registered republican, first time I've registered for any partie because I want to pull that lever in the NY Primaries for Ron Paul.

I contribute to his campaign as well with my wallet.

What are we going to do if we fail to get him elected? That would be the end of hope for me for the USA and maybe for the world.

I have just one last thing to say, VOTE! Don't just say you like Ron Paul, YOU MUST go and VOTE on election day in your state, you must! It's our last chance at turning things around. Be sure to actually show up.

Endless War
The Federal Reserve
The IRS

These things must end. All other issues pale by comparison.

Frater

reply to post by ADVISOR


Let's not get to nostalgic about "our" founding fathers as they were slave owners who believed in manifest destiny, which is nothing more than a doctrine of white supremacy. Paul may say all the right things... But don't all politicians bidding for presidency. Remember, a politician is a politician is a politician & never let a politician grant you no favors. Hope I'm wrong bout him... But Obama seems to have had the same savior charm as Paul does... Just something to think about....

~~ peace ~~

reply to post by DrMattMaddix
As far as I am concerned if you do not agree with Ron Paul, you don't agree with our Constitution and if you don't agree with our Constitution you are an enemy of my country and traitor. I will leave it to everyone's imagination what should be done with Traitors but I am up for anything from Firing Squads to Deportation, although I have no idea who would want them.

Originally posted by MajorKarma
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As far as I am concerned if you do not agree with Ron Paul, you don't agree with our Constitution and if you don't agree with our Constitution you are an enemy of my country and traitor. I will leave it to everyone's imagination what should be done with Traitors but I am up for anything from Firing Squads to Deportation, although I have no idea who would want them.

Ah... bigotry. The foundation of human ignorance.

Originally posted by dbar21
reply to post by ADVISOR

 

Let's not get to nostalgic about "our" founding fathers as they were slave owners who believed in manifest destiny, which is nothing more than a doctrine of white supremacy. Paul may say all the right things... But don't all politicians bidding for presidency. Remember, a politician is a politician is a politician & never let a politician grant you no favors. Hope I'm wrong bout him... But Obama seems to have had the same savior charm as Paul does... Just something to think about....

~~ peace ~~

I see a great connection between voters and religious believers. Both are obsessed with the savior figure coming to end their misery.

My question is:

If Ron Paul is so good, why is he still a Republican and not an Independent or Libertarian?

If he's as smart as everyone thinks, he must know that by running as a Republican whatever his agenda or message is, it will be subsumed into the party's goals.

One guy isn't going to change the party, even if he were elected President.

As it is, he's nearly an outcast from his own party and stands zero chance of winning the nomination, or of getting genuine support if he does.

Strikes me he's just theater and he knows it, otherwise he'd be doing something braver and be more independent of the GOP. But being affiliated does have cash value, I suppose.

Originally posted by apacheman
My question is:

If Ron Paul is so good, why is he still a Republican and not an Independent or Libertarian?

If he's as smart as everyone thinks, he must know that by running as a Republican whatever his agenda or message is, it will be subsumed into the party's goals.

One guy isn't going to change the party, even if he were elected President.

As it is, he's nearly an outcast from his own party and stands zero chance of winning the nomination, or of getting genuine support if he does.

Strikes me he's just theater and he knows it, otherwise he'd be doing something braver and be more independent of the GOP. But being affiliated does have cash value, I suppose.

I gave this some thought myself, and I think it is a matter of public relations and exposure. Right now he is getting a lot of exposure compared to what he would be getting as an independant simply by attending republican debates, etc. I hope he does run as an independant if he is not made the republican party candidate. He will easily dispose of Trump and possibly split the final vote into thirds, bringing both democratic voters and republican voters into the middle.

I know a lot of democrats who will vote for paul.. some are even registering as republicans to vote in the caucasus and primaries just for that purpose.

I can't blame them, either.. I mean Newt Gingrich?? Really?

Originally posted by ADVISOR
Some one mentioned that tptb would kill off Ron Paul, I recall it being said Obama too would be assassinated and he is still around.
Other than that I hope such never happens, as it would be just plain asinine

Truely if Ron makes it as president, I would volunteer to be his secret service back man with out pay, as it would be an honor to serve one of America's greatest statesmen since our founding fathers.

I would consider such to be ever a higher honor than my honorable discharge or being a member of the Order of Combat Spur or golden spur.

I would gladly take a bullet and give my life for such a leader as Ron Paul.

edit on 12-12-2011 by ADVISOR because: added clarification

that probably has more to do with Obama's lack of getting anything done, then anything else.

reply to post by dadgad


I'll refrain from being a dbag. you give entirely too much credit to corporations and not nearly enough to the people. I could have told you that Obama was simply an extension of G dubs 3rd term. Everything that sent our country into a death spiral your man Obama continued. War in Afghan, Iraq. Guantanamo, and to top it off he bailed out big money.

Ron Paul is the man for many reasons, but mainly because he kills the problem at it's root. I will be the first to admit that i have healthy skepticism about the man, but mostly because i never trust anything until it comes true. to be against Ron Paul is simply un-American. He stands for everything the constitution does. if you think it's the governments job to make your life better... well then.... grow a pair and figure out what it is YOU'RE not doing to make it better. I'm sick of this "someone has to take care of me" crap. that is not and never has been what the American dream was about.

reply to post by dadgad


We are in this mess because we aren't following the current model. This is what Dr. Paul is suggesting. Follow the Constitution, and respect the rule of law. You wouldn't have the same inflation-created bubbles, and you wouldn't have corporate big-wigs making a few extra billions thanks to unconstitutional legal protections.
There isn't a better system on paper than ours. We just have to allow the "chains of the constitution" to once again bind the federal government, and then have the states follow suit.

Originally posted by dadgad

What Paul desires simply won't happen. First of all, the corporate power scheme is way to powerful and concentrated. Secondly he would actually help them, since he wants to hand out everything to the market.

Competition won't solve anything. They will win. They always win.

You hit the nail on the head with that as well as the comments about threats to our existence as the result of rapid technological advances that can only be addressed by global organization. Libertarianism might have worked when we were mostly all small farmers with a seemingly limitless frontier but it doesn't work for a large industrialized nation. The fact is that we had a system much closer to Libertarianism a hundred years ago and it didn't work. Without government regulation of big business we wound up with the power concentrated in the hands of a few oligarchs with many negative results for everyone else.

On a separate note, in my book red flags go up anytime someone starts in with the "if you don't believe in my candidate you're a traitor or un-American" even if I do agree with parts of their platform.