Is Anyone Still Taking OWS Seriously?

reply to post by PapaKrok

Why, in the name of all that is good, would you ask an abusive parent to establish the acceptable parameters for dissagreement with THEIR reign? That makes zero sense to me...

That's actually a great point. I don't have a problem with stronger tactics being used against the govt. I have a problem with people 'occupying' public space with no end in sight. Not everyone agrees with OWS so I don't think they automatically get more rights to an area than ordinary citizens.

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by masterp

 

Sorry, but I am confused. Would you extend the occupation beyond what the permit would allow even if you do not feel entitled to take over public property? so if you came back, wouldn't that be taking over the area?

Yes, I would continue to come back. No, I would not do it without a permit and I would not 'occupy'.

What would you do if your permit was not renewed? and you did not have enough time to get your point across?

reply to post by PapaKrok

TOTALLY! Because someone had the balls to march and protest in the 50s and 60s....or did you forget that part?

Well it's been awhile since I've read about it but did they ensconce themselves in public areas for months, dirtying the parks and generally being an expensive pain in the butt? I would be less irritated with OWS if the people would take the weekends off at the least. Let the parks get cleaned up without requiring police action, maybe share the space with people who just want to walk the dog.

reply to post by masterp

What would you do if your permit was not renewed? and you did not have enough time to get your point across?

Contact ACLU and sue, pass around a bucket collecting funds to hire a lawyer. Check laws and see what else I could do. Could you just ask all your questions in one post?

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by masterp

 

What would you do if your permit was not renewed? and you did not have enough time to get your point across?

Contact ACLU and sue, pass around a bucket collecting funds to hire a lawyer. Check laws and see what else I could do. Could you just ask all your questions in one post?

And if you could not do anything else? is there anything else to do, really? sorry for the questions, they come up as you reply.

reply to post by masterp

And if you could not do anything else? is there anything else to do, really? sorry for the questions, they come up as you reply.

Sorry that's fine. There is always something to do. Hold seminars and try to sway public opinion. Get the word out locally that the govt. isn't respecting rights, and trying to get new people voted in.

I need to take a break but I want to thank the last couple of posters for being polite though we may disagree. A few of yo have given me some things to think about on my jog.

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by masterp

 

And if you could not do anything else? is there anything else to do, really? sorry for the questions, they come up as you reply.

Sorry that's fine. There is always something to do. Hold seminars and try to sway public opinion. Get the word out locally that the govt. isn't respecting rights, and trying to get new people voted in.

How come the government would not respect rights in your case? the government would have allowed you to protest for X amount of time, but no more, because your protest would inerfere with other's rights to use said public place.

reply to post by Domo1


Quote Domo,

"This is the point I've been trying to make, but put much better. I fully support people's rights to protest, but not at the expense of other people's rights and a huge waste of tax dollars to clean the filth left"

Using keywords here are we not, "Filth" "Huge waste of Tax dollars" (should you have said, "FED dollars? no matter) Huge waste, as compared to what? USAP, (unacknowledged special access programmes in the trillions) in any protest people will be inconvenienced to some degree, even by a band parade. This is a rubbish statement.

Well, OWS has been making the news here in Nova Scotia. There was a huge flap because they were occupying the public park in downtown Halifax and negotiated with the police and military veterans to lay low for Rememberance Day because that ceremony takes place in the park they were occupying. The protestors did as they promised and after the ceremony the police went in and threw out all their tents and I believe a few were arrested. The military vets who were part of the negotiations felt betrayed by the police because the protestors had kept their word and were respectful of the vets and the ceremony.

The OWS were also in the news today on the nationwide CBC radio program. They were being interviewed because they are occupying a woman's house who is facing an eviction notice for missing two mortgage payments. She still can make monthly payments on the mortgage but the amount would have to be reduced a bit because she has lost her job. The thing is that the house across the street was foreclosed on and sold for $9500.00. Another words, a pittance of what it's worth. They make a good point. But then the banks say it's not in their hands because the mortages have been bundled into investment companies etc. I think it's good that they are at least getting people talking. Fixing up foreclosed homes and moving in families who are homeless. It may not work in the longrun but it does get people talking and thinking about these issues and the often lack of common sense in the monetary system.

Like it or not they have the legal right to say their piece on public land, they are the public. At least someone is standing up and speaking up for the screwed over people. Screwed over by the system.

Protesting is of no use. I'm getting sick and tired of beating around the bush on this, so I'm just going to say it. The only way to do this is by violent revolution.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson

So a few posts I read saying that the movement should of done this, should of done that....
Meibe you should of gotten off ATS, gone to an occupy site, share your opinions to help this movement be a better movement for the convinience of all.

reply to post by LazloFarnsworth


Who went home? You think that because the news isn't covering it as much it's over?
It's only going to keep going and get more serious. They are moving into foreclosed homes. That means they are out of public eye, but they are still talking. That of course is where the real things happened, behind closed doors. As soon as they turn the live feeds off the government will get paranoid and start cracking down and then there are only two ways it can go down.

I think the whole movement lost steam for a few reasons. First, its the holidays. People got other things going on. Second, they have no defined set of goals. If they had focused on maybe 3 or 4 CORE things, they might have gotten somewhere. And third, I think they let a few screw balls co-opt the whole movement, and that put a negative light on it.

The only thing I think comes out of the protests, are a) the government doesn't care about you and b) the police will beat you senseless for any reason they can find.

What I think they should do is call it a day for the winter. Regroup and get their heads on straight. Take this time to set up some sort of structure, and some list of key values. Focus on a few important items. There are too many hands in the cookie jar so to speak. And all they are currently ending up with is hundreds of off the wall ideas, which are burying the two or three good ones they have. If they were to pull back now, regroup and return in the spring more organized, I think that would get them much more attention.

reply to post by Domo1


ur not there so u dont know

reply to post by Revolutionz

ur not there so u dont know

Which is why I asked the question. This isn't YouTube try writing with a bit more substance and typing actual words.

reply to post by DerekJR321


Thank you for the on topic response! They have become a bit of a rarity in this thread. I tend to agree with what you've said. I think coming back fresh in the Spring with a more clear agenda (I don't find the little declaration people keep posting all that clear) with some new tactics would be a good idea.

reply to post by nenothtu


Yeah.. now ask yourself where every bit of this is leading?
The exact place our founding fathers found themselves. Fearful, planning, in back rooms.
Or foreclosed homes? Once the live feeds shut off and the government crackdowns begin you get to see what it's really about.

The founding fathers would have loved assembling in the parks, Franklin would have probably been taking a new girl into his tent every night, they would have been happy that they didn't have to assemble in complete secrecy in a house. This is what they wanted.

Originally posted by theovermensch

You are a traitor if you are an imperial citizen and support the regime. A traitor to the human race.

1. If someone never swore allegiance to "the human race", how could they possibly be a traitor to it?

2. What sort of idiot would swear allegiance to "the human race" after having seen it in action for enough time to even be old enough to formulate an opinion on it?

Humans kill each other off and try to subjugate one another with some degree of regularity. How can one claim allegiance to an entity that can't even ally with itself in any sort of a consistent way? How do you ally with that? Support their goals by killing off and subjugating people at random?

Actually, it sparked up conversation and in the long run, we'll see the impact it has had on our country and the situation of our economy. I personally think this was a much needed movement and I'm so glad we had an actual voice for once.

OWS represented America...well, the logical side of America.