Ron Paul Wins Drake University Straw Poll, Mitt second, Gingrich third.

Originally posted by superstatue
reply to post by Carseller4

 

Maybe because you never see them perform well in straw polls? I don't see what you're getting at.
Ron Paul haters always amuse me. They make up non-existent reasons as to why he wins polls or why to not support him and never give any source or anything to backup their claims.

LOL good point. Those same haters probably back Newt!

Originally posted by superstatue

As campus buzzed with the activity of the ABC News Presidential Debate, 1,223 Drake University students participated in one of the largest student straw polls this election cycle. Students were asked to pick their favorite Republican candidate. Among the Republican contenders, Ron Paul won the poll with 35 percent of the vote. Paul was followed by Mitt Romney (25 percent) and Newt Gingrich (10 percent).

Source: www.scribd.com...

This really shows how strong Ron Paul is with the young voters. Since this was a closed poll, they cannot say that it was "flooded" by Ron Paul supporters, this is genuine support.

It was surprising to see Mitt coming in with more than double the support that Gingrich, but a very good surprise at that

We will win Iowa, that's for sure. After that, Ron's support will be even stronger in other states and Gingrich's will be less, that is IF he hasn't already imploded. Just as the previous "front-runners" Bachmann, Perry, and Cain have.

So what's the Ron Paul straw poll win tally?

It'd be nice to know why those 100+ kids voted for Newt. Are they the dunces of the school or on the Dean's list? Or, are they going to vote Democrat and are simply rooting for the worst Republican opponent possible.

Originally posted by chuckMFd

Originally posted by superstatue
reply to post by Carseller4

 

Maybe because you never see them perform well in straw polls? I don't see what you're getting at.
Ron Paul haters always amuse me. They make up non-existent reasons as to why he wins polls or why to not support him and never give any source or anything to backup their claims.

LOL good point. Those same haters probably back Newt!

I don't think they back anybody in particular, Chuck. Their sole purpose is just to bash Ron Paul. It's very obvious...otherwise they would offer up some other candidate's selling points as a retort. Seeing that there are no other viable candidates, it's obvious to me those that bash Paul are either getting paid to do it, or are just too brainwashed by the corporate media to understand his policies. If you are pro war and think the U.S. has to continuously be the big bully, then you definitely aren't a Ron Paul person. And the "Ron Paul supporters are just a bunch of druggies" b.s. wore itself out a long time ago. It's laughable anymore.

reply to post by biggmoneyme

evolve please

Haha....my favorite ATS quote for the day......

RON-PAUL KENOBI.... you're our ONLY HOPE! PLEASE WIN!

Second Line

It's wonderful how enthusiastic Paul supporters are, but concerning they ignore reality. I'm still undecided so I don't have the emotion invested yet. I thought it might be enlightening to see how Paul is doing nationally since you have to have the numbers nationally to win. I like Real Clear Politics poll averages so here they are -
Real Clear Politics National Averages


Fox News has him the highest at 12% with his average nationally at around 9%. I think this is about a week behind though.

Problem with the young vote is they tend to not show up on election day historically. They do support candidates but that must translate into votes to mean anything. Most young people support Obama and you have to factor that in. At that age they only know soundbites and their lives are to filled with other things to actually be informed on politics in general. The population of young people who are involved is tiny in my opinion and that's why so few bother to vote. It's just part of being young.

reply to post by Blaine91555

It's wonderful how enthusiastic Paul supporters are, but concerning they ignore reality.

Blaine, I know you love to come in these threads and post this kind of stuff to make your point about how we're all living a pipe dream. However, I would like to suggest that it is you who ignores reality. That reality is that no matter how many graphs you post trying to convince us that Paul has no real chance, you will not shake the enthusiasm of his supporters. We will vote for him regardless of what ANY polls show. Most of us have been following him for a while now and it would take a lot more than your "dose of reality" to waver our support for a good man.

I hope you decide to join us in the end. We really aren't a bunch of lunatics.....(okay, maybe a little.)

Originally posted by Carseller4

Originally posted by DIDtm

Originally posted by Carseller4
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Funny, you never see Gingrich or Romney supporters making a thread every time one of them perform well in a meaningless straw poll.

The Ron Paul supporters are a very funny group. They make me laugh, and the fact that half of them are not even registered Republicans is hilarious.

Why would you think that it is hilarious that many or Ron Paul supporters are not registered Republicans.

You do realize he is a Libertarian right?
The same beliefs that our founding fathers had.

Because in many states, like Iowa, you actually have to be registered as a Republican to vote in the Republican primary. This kills Paul's chances.

There is no Iowa primary. It is a caucus state; huge difference. It's a large group meeting, then broken down into smaller group discussions with a secret ballot vote at the end of the night. Excellent time for those crazy Ron Paul goers to influence the outcome. Voters can register the night of the caucus. 17yr olds who will be 18 by Nov 6 2012 may register and vote at the caucus. Democrats or Independents can switch parties at the door and vote in the Republican caucus.

That is why Ron Paul will win in Iowa.

edit: After the caucuses, there will be county conventions, followed by district conventions, and lastly a state convention which will decide the proportion of the 41 delegates who will attend the national convention. Delegates are representatives of the voters. The RNC will determine the presidential candidate, but at that point it should be a formality unless 2 or more candidates are near-enough in votes to require further debate/voting.

It really disgusts me that those other puppet, liars are in the lead and Ron Paul isn't. If anyone else besides Ron Paul is in the oval office come January 2013, then OWS will have something really big to protest about!

The whole electoral process is rigged and a sham anyway. If he doesn't win, I have no choice but to become a refugee and leave this falling country. I don't want my daughter to grow up in a FEMA camp!

reply to post by Blaine91555


The reality of this is (to say the least), depressing. I guess there is just too much ignorance in this country for a true leader to even get a chance to be president. All the people who have the knowledge and power are manipulating the process to work in their favor, so they can stay rich and chop away at the middle class.

reply to post by NightGypsy


I'm not trying to shake your enthusiasm; in fact I support it. You see me that way because you want to see me that way, not because that is true. Paul supporters seem to want a fight and tend to invent reasons to argue. I read these threads out of a genuine interest. Is it wrong to play the field this early and enter into conversations? I don't see it as wrong.

If I wanted to not debate or learn I would go to an official Ron Paul site instead of here on a board where the entire purpose it exists is discussion and debate and not to endorse or be an official site for any candidate.

When I say there is still a chance I'll vote for Paul myself, I'm being honest. I am still undecided. I'm also considering going with the real Libertarian Candidate instead of one running as a Republican. I do prefer Moderates however as I think radicalism is not helpful and is the cause of the gridlock in Congress.

The Libertarian Candidates are listed below and you will find they are on the same page as Paul. Do you even know they exist?

Roger Gary
R.J. Harris
James Ogle
Carl Person
Bill Still
Lee Wrights
Jim Burns
Robert Milnes
Miss Joy Waymire

I'm also looking at Gingrich because he is a Moderate and has a good history of being able to unite people and get things done. The election is a long ways off.

You can see me how you wish to see me and I'm not bothered. I don't mind being labeled as people do it all the time. Since I'm not a Partisan I'm used to it. Partisans never seem to be able accept that real Independents exist. Partisans always have to pigeonhole everyone into the D's or the R's; categorized, filed and put in their place.

My statement about young people and them seldom voting is simply a fact. It was a fact when I was young also. I think most people don't start voting as a habit until they are into their thirties. Neither good nor bad, just factual.

If you are positive about Paul you should spend your time convincing people you are right. The Polls should tell you that his supporters have a lot of work left to do.

reply to post by Blaine91555


So you just said Ron Paul supporters ignore reality and then you post about considering libertarian candidates for president that have exponentially less chance to become President than Paul in 2007.

If that is your reality (and I don't really care what you choose to do), who are you to tell Ron Paul supporters that we aren't being realistic?

Just because we post straw poll victories, it doesn't mean we ignore national polls.

reply to post by my3911


All we can do is vote our hearts in the end. In a Democracy not everyone can have their way. I'd rather it be that way than the alternative.

If I were to be completely honest here, none of the Candidates turns me on. Paul did go up a notch with me when he admitted at that Forum that he knows all he can do is guide the country his direction and won't simply walk in thinking he can just start trashing all the programs already in place. He needs to make that point clearer I think and do it often.

reply to post by Blaine91555

My statement about young people and them seldom voting is simply a fact. It was a fact when I was young also. I think most people don't start voting as a habit until they are into their thirties. Neither good nor bad, just factual. If you are positive about Paul you should spend your time convincing people you are right. The Polls should tell you that his supporters have a lot of work left to do.

Okay, fair enough, Blaine. But please note that I wasn't saying you just come here to bash, because your posts have more depth than the others who seem hell-bent on trashing Paul and his supporters. No, you're right, I do not know the other libertarian candidates and I haven't really felt the need to delve into them that far simply because I'm not a Libertarian and I'm quite sure that putting my support behind any candidate who is not currently participating in the recent debates would be an exercise in futility, don't you think?

reply to post by eLPresidente


Not exactly. I pointed out reality. I did not say it was wrong to be enthusiastic in support of anyone. You are trying to paint me into the corner you picked for me.

reply to post by Blaine91555

Not exactly. I pointed out reality. I did not say it was wrong to be enthusiastic in support of anyone. You are trying to paint me into the corner you picked for me.

No one is painting you in a corner. I think you're just failing in your attempts to appear more unbiased than you really are.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by eLPresidente

 

Not exactly. I pointed out reality. I did not say it was wrong to be enthusiastic in support of anyone. You are trying to paint me into the corner you picked for me.

What? you say we 'ignore reality' and then blame us for trying to paint you as somebody that says we ignore reality?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
but concerning they ignore reality.

Here is my reality: I want Ron Paul to be my President. The polls exist, I acknowledge them but the polls don't dictate what I should or should not do, it only solidifies my support.

People on ATS tend to trash the youth and university students, but throughout history the youth have proven to be pivitol in bringing change, in flushing out the old gaurd and bringing in the new. The youth tend to be more open to debate and criticism and I believe less likely to blindly defend their position (although many still do) then say a life-long 50 year old republican who voted for Bush-Cheney twice.

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by imawlinn
Thats great news! A non internet poll won by Paul. He will win in Iowa and go on to defeat Obama for the Oval Office. Ron Paul 2012

Providing the voting machines don't have proprietary software...

If they do, the One They want to win will win.

Couldn't have put it better

reply to post by imawlinn


I am a conservative but come on, its still to early to jump the gun and say Paul will win the Oval office. I am a supporter of Ron Pauls but do you seriously think the GOP will nominate him...? = NO

That means Ron Paul has to run as a independent and I hate to break this to you but that means most republicans will go with the GOP nomination and all Paul has is some Republicans, Independents and Dems...at best he will spoil the election for the GOP front runner and we will be stuck with the same worthless POTUS.

I was all RAH RAH about Ron Paul as well until I really thought about it, he does not have enough support from the main stream voters to win (IMHO and I hope I am wrong)...

But come on, use some common sense...I would rather have a GOP (any of them) over Osama Obama...

Just dont hold your breath yet huh...BTW I mean no disrespect with this post, I hope I have offended any Paul supporters because I am one of them.